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--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 21:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

== Anarchy ==

''Anarchy is freedom of thought''

'''Life led by your own choice'''

''No leaders no followers''

'''No laws. Neither written nor spoken.'''

''Anarchy is life, for what it's worth''

'''Anarchy is symbol to what all symbols are designed for'''

''A place not to fear, just to love''

'''No consequences to the other's law'''

''Just human, nothing less, nothing more''

'''No leadership to devide nature'''

''No power to control souls''

'''Hail to those who see, and choose to live in their own Anarchy'''

[[Anarchy]]

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 14:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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== Perfect Paradox in civilised time ==

[[Image:000 0021.jpg]] --[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 14:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

'''Black and White'''

''Capturing Colours''

'''Lines making the optical illusion real'''

''As if black and white could ever, express the true intention of colours''

'''Daylight is delight'''

''No other light, reflects, so magnificent, on water then sunlight''

'''Colours of nature'''

''Growth Development Creation of nature''

'''Be aware of sneaking snails'''

''Products of their problems, save yourself from their hell''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 14:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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== '''Anti State Anti Law''' ==

[[Image:Images.jpg]] --[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 14:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

'''How can you call this justice'''

''Laws, made by the state''

'''Howcome, they can make their own conviction'''

''Wouldn't every criminal want to that''

'''No one would miss the chance to, wash their hands in innocence'''

''Why can't we stop it''

'''Just because we are, born as occupants of these regions'''

''The thought of regulating society is wrong from within''

'''Humans can not be tamed by themselves, just like no animal would'''

''We need to watch out not to create an upper link in nature's foodchain''

'''The upper link is designed in money and market from within'''

''Thefts of our own, is what they make us''

'''We live in a state, without a heart'''

''Nature is against, our human rules''

'''Anarchy is the saviour, to the once whom see'''

''Live free, and live, to the world, to see''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 14:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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== '''Divided in timelines''' ==

[[Image:Praag.jpg]] --[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 19:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

'''All they do to stop, our believe in true freedom, of mind'''

''Anarchy provides, freedom of, all in all''

'''Fear of loss of rules, keeps them from believing us'''

''Because states are, the only ones, whom benefit from the law''

'''They already have createn a law, to make in impossible to, get your true rights'''

''To choose an other form of state than that whom leads your land''

'''Free yourself, from their words of justice'''

''They are, only words they speak.''

'''Black and White, with no mentioning of truth of collours, that are really inside'''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 19:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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== '''It's still the lie that rules''' ==

[[Image:A-030903.jpg]] --[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 10:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

'''To believe in a physical, existing, truth'''

''Houses the conspiracy, of the lie it tries to cover with an untrue truth''

'''This form of government is illegal in origin'''

''It governs a lie that cannot be true, because it "is" not''

'''The only thruth that is, the same in all, is, the truth we should follow'''

''No words can ever express any feeling of the human heart''

'''All are plots, to GET the same'''

''It's not about the gain, it's all about the loss''

'''Almost not to cover in words because what I need to find is colourful'''

''There is only one thing thats real of what they've done; money''

'''Truth cannot be found outside of human mind, can only be found in ones own mind'''

''To believe in the real truth is not illegal''

'''They cannot see in our minds, so our minds are free for ever'''

''As long as their technologie doesn't crack the inner code, we all are safe''

'''Free to think and conclude what we want'''

''Free to choose and free to live your own rules''

'''So therefore I lost all belief in ever finding truth'''

''Outside of my own, Anarchy''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 10:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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== '''No reason to stop creativity''' ==

[[Image:Ownpententagram.jpg]]--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 12:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

''Opened eyes cannot be shut''

'''I ain't giving them what they want'''

''Not this lifetime''

'''Not in my life'''

''I believe in something''

'''Which I ain't gonna give up no more not again'''

''You worked me like a mirror''

'''Ain't ever gonna give up my believes in a world without the bounderies that this one does'''

''I don't want to change back again, not in their advantage''

'''In this world of made-believe I cannot live my life, the way I grew up to live'''

''I am not sorry to what I've done. I did where I believe in. And believe is within yourself.''

'''All seems so easy, yet no one can ever understand someone else'''

''Never been thaught to ain't the answer, never believed in themselves is''

'''A state where people get trust in people that don't for real'''

''Almost all, depends on their trademarks their money their fame''

'''Free yourself from a conspiracy that's so severe, is difficult not yet impossible'''

''Therefore I have chosen to believe in a free world, not one ruled by money and unexisting numbers''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 12:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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== '''Every war is the same mistake''' ==

[[Image:Hahn wereldmacht1917.gif]]

'''Two sides, two truths, two storys behind'''

''Angryness out of lack of selfinsurance''

'''Every argument is the same disfunction of brain'''

''Every discusion about rules and roles is too''

'''Man isn't made to live by standards, other then his own'''

''It can consume all, yet miss the targets''

'''These wars are nonsence'''

''All lies to be uncovered when happend''

'''When it's to late to stop it'''

''This time I am not to late to speak out my word''

'''Becauze I have known. And I was against'''

''I believe in my own, free, loving worldwide''

'''Anarchy'''

== '''I wish I knew nothing I know''' ==

[[Image:Landschap.jpg]]

'''I hate to say'''

''Love to learn and love to see, what surrounds me''

'''Yet am frightend when I see this world astranging'''

''From their heart. The humans in it''

'''Poltics and Commercialisation'''

''See souls as consumers, and swallows allmost all''

'''We have to let go the black and white we are born in'''

''And let in the collours ourselves''

'''Life is what you make it. Live is what you are'''

''Your are your own teacher to create your goals''

'''Mine are simple'''

''Never the less, impossible''

'''Yet I dream and don't give up my dreams'''

''I live my rules and will learn my lessons trough life''

'''I live the way I was raised to live'''

''And conclude that allmost all is poisoned. in this '''"western civilisation"'''''

'''They didn't "civilise" us'''

''They tie us down by using traps like war and untrue knowledge''

'''Life is not material'''

''They can't force me to be the way they want me to be''

'''I controll, how hard it is'''

''How dirty to be played. yet imposible not to. Forced by nature''

'''Yet it is the only thing I know'''

''Rules are set up to break...''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 14:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''You''' ==

[[Image:Swastika.jpg]]

'''I can forgive but will not be able to forget'''

''Cuz what is real, happends, without reason''

'''''Off course I can forgive, allmost all'''

''Off course I know whats good and whats bad''

'''But its harder to forgive than to love'''

''Love is easy, forgiving is harder''

'''I understand what I need to forgive'''

''I would have done the same if I stood in your shoes''

'''I will have to search my own answers'''

''Have to set new goals again''

'''Love is all we are and all we have'''

''And is all we can share''

'''Like a candle, can't burn without,fuel'''

''I know i ain't without but the situation shut me out''

'''They want my dreams not to be heared, they and theirs shut me out'''

''Like it shuts out everyone whom has their real and own dreams''

'''Life is what you make it'''

''Life is not always what you choose''

'''You took control, you had to, were the only one who could''

''I thank you for that, I would have never have could and she neither''

'''It perhaps is better this way, only have to realise that'''

''Just feel inspired''

'''And will not kill the good you gave'''

''That I will never stop, you don't even want me to''

'''Some lights cannot be stopped shining'''

''Love is no relationship its inside and not to be expressed''

'''Love is in the glimps of some special eyes'''

''Therefor I will not stop what I feel only stop to share with you, difficult not imposible''

'''I don't want to, stop to, love all'''

''and can't stop, loving beauty''

'''I know I have to. In order not to lose your trust for ever'''

''I will try I will try hard, hope to succeed my own quest''

'''Hope you find what you need'''

''Hope you spend your time a way you enjoy''

'''But If you ever deside to want to go away from her, for real
To cut all that binds here, to go, and see the beauty elsewhere'''

''Contact me, whenever you need me to, I'll be there, not waiting just for you
But in knowledge your intelect I just will not be easy to find somewhere else''

'''I never wanted to fall in love. Not at all with you.'''

''But somehow I believe in you. And I think I will always do''

'''But words are words as they are'''

''Time has anwers no one has''

'''Perhaps, maybe, I don't know, We'll see''''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 07:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''Life is like a magicmirror''' ==

[[Image:Mirrormoon.jpg]]

'''Shows relects and messures up to all and nothing at the same time'''

''Shows you ways to deal with things''

'''What you give is what you get'''

''What you do, you do get back''

'''Perhaps I am stupid to search for all answers, written or not'''

''But now , I do, even more then always, it seems as if I can not stop, but know I have to. And do it myself now''

'''I will try to look, try look and see the other side'''

''Beauty in the mirror, at the other side of the moon''

'''Thats what you thaught me, once again'''

''You showed me something I love to share a diffrent level''

'''No needs for me to compeed with anyone, at all'''

''Thats why I can forgive''

'''Understand the choise you made'''

''And have peace with the peace you asked''

'''All I can give is love and peace'''

''So If you need it for yourself, you go ahead and use it''

'''Minds and thoughts are sacret'''

''I will not spoil yours with my words no more''

'''If you might ever want to leave together'''

''I will be there, maybe''

'''Don't know whats on the other side of the mirror'''

''I will look for mirrors on my path''

'''Now I have to go, to see the sun'''

''let the sun and moon reighn my life again''

'''The way they allways have and will always do'''

''Goodbye my friend, times are bad but will get better in time''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 07:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''Freedom in captivity''' ==

[[Image:Cage.jpg]]

'''All I want the world to know is that all is free'''

''All is free''

'''Cuz all only "is" in human minds'''

''You can think and choose and act yourself''

'''But afterall dust we're born dust we will be'''

''All time between is for yourself to decide whatever you want to do''

'''Free your self from a hell you didn't build'''

''Happiness is something that cannot be bought''

'''That comes from within'''

''All depends on their money and their brands and their vallues''

'''They are worthless to each and any soul, as soon as people feel bad, they know; they only have themselves; to trust for real'''

''And that there for no leaders are necessairy and is that only bureacratic''

'''Life is not to be captured on tape or words'''

''Life cannot be lead by others the way they involve in westernlife without people asking for it''

'''I don't want to be part of commercialised shit'''

''Yet it is all around me and everywhere''

'''We cannot be trapped in a spell'''

''cuz this spell is not aproved by nature''

'''I believe in our own Human Power to get out of this mess'''

''To stop war, and make love, for real''

'''The lesson that each and every war has thought'''

''It's time the world starts to understand''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 19:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''I will forgive but never forget''' ==

[[Image:Forgiveforget.gif]]

''' I am not made to forget'''

''I am made to evolve in the world around me''

'''I learned to forgive'''

''Will never learn to forget.''

'''To forget is to stop believing in yourself.'''

''And thats the worst you can do''

'''Then you stop yourself in things that cannot be stopped'''

''Nature; People are made for love and not for war''

'''Just try to understand, where this loving all comes from'''

''I love you all but never believed that i was loved''

'''Now I only feel the ground beneath me slipping away slowly'''

''To bad capitalism is so wicked, to almost blow dreams away''

'''But dreams are dreams to make real yourself'''

''Build Build and a castle will come''

'''I'll keer on building'''

''But still have an invisible wall''

'''Wish I could convince the world of my believes and arguments'''

''But that will only bring arguments amoung people''

'''So all I can do is sit her'''

''And have the same dream over and over again''

'''To leave this world'''

''And go back to where we belong''

'''Back to nature. Cuz there you see life that MacDonalds and posesions doesnt hide'''

''You saw that. Thats why I can forgive you''

'''You just need to see the real war. Likley to the one in [[1984]], only the names have been changed and goods of trade '''

''That I will never forget. And that I don't even have to forgive''

'''I just have to let it all go'''

''And go and go, and eventully be gone''

'''Ash to ash and dust till dust'''

''but plastic stays plastic, never gets fantastic''

'''and nature has rules that can drive man insane'''

''when they cross their own borders and dont even see what they do''

'''Weakeness we all hapen to have'''

''Only some escape from their wide eyes.''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 19:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''All ways are misterious''' ==

[[Image:Weg.jpg]]

'''You just need to find the road'''

''The answers to your questions''

'''Questions about what is true and what is real'''

''About love and equality''

'''Life lives its days'''

''To come or yet have been''

'''Dreams at night nightmares while daydreaming'''

''Surendering me to be part of this nature''

'''Taking a step back, taking a step forward'''

''Crossing the illusions that don't provide answers''

'''It's just more than life itself'''

''Travel to find the destination in the voyage you make''

'''But my path here is troubled'''

''Cearly visible to those whom let it be, but don't for real''

'''What will happen, what will come, what has been'''

''What should has happened, what should have come, what should have been''

'''I don't wonder why I made my choises'''

''I only wonder about the days I live, lived and will posibly live once''

'''What is new, yet not for real'''

''What going on while I live my life''

'''I stand here and whatch my part'''

''I sit here and don't want to play this game''

'''Cuz it never was a game for me'''

''Life just put me in..''

'''They made their plans for all of us'''

''I don't fit in, never will never should and never would''

'''In silence I fight my own wars'''

''To enemies I never will trust, but can't shut out, not yet, as well''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 20:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''The only vicious creature is man itself''' ==

[[Image:Omgeving.jpg]]

'''Its the only animal that kills, for more reasons than selfdefence'''

''Howcome, we let this happen?''

'''It are only the humans whom let other humans suffer to death'''

''Howcome, why let this happen?''

'''I don't agree with them, yet I live on their grounds'''

''Need their money to get out.''

'''If you don't want to do illegal things this is the only way'''

''I want to be a legal oposition to their trowns''

'''They never had a leader I chose, never had one I would want to choose'''

''Therefor I lead myself''

'''My way. My path. Our earth'''

''For which we should all care''

'''To let it bloom and blossom'''

''Till next fall all seems to die again''

'''To live up next year, and all years after'''

''Till they kill that too''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 15:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''How sunshine makes my day''' ==

[[Image:Sun.jpg]]

'''Enlightening all'''

''Making shadows to trick the eye''

'''Enliving all'''

''Making all grow and develope''

'''It frees me from the dark they build'''

''The dark of concreet and missery''

'''It saves me from their plans with me'''

''With only the light of my sun I will live''

'''Holiest of holiest'''

''Mother of all''

'''Shine your light on me'''

''For ever untill the end of time you will''

'''Every day you sooth me like a cradle'''

''Every time I can, you relax me''

'''Every time you do, I see myself'''

''Every day, you are my light of day''
--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 12:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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== '''My hope for a world equal in all not on paper''' ==

'''Leadership is a game between powers'''

''A game with a winner and a looser''

'''It convinces one that the other is better'''

''While all questions has a diffrent answer''

'''Some just don't know whats going on'''

''They seem to hide in their shell''

'''How long can they go on'''

''Poisoning our minds our believes and our dreams''

'''With a part that gets hurt and one that hurts someonelse's'''

''A game without equal gain for all''

'''Let the losers lose and let the winners win'''

''Thats the rule they all obey''

'''I can't I'm from the other side'''

''I withnessed life, to let it be''

'''I became me,someone, alone in the dark'''

''Candle light and sunlight''

'''My dreams and my believes'''

''My answers and my questions''

'''Dear life, dear humans, just let me live my life, my way'''

''Don't convict me, I am a man, I learn and develop every day, that's life''

--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 21:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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== '''My quest for you is comming to an end''' ==

'''My believe still is there'''

''But not to find you in a person''

'''My heaven is not yet to come on earth'''

''Still have to make it myself''

'''You didn't care about me for real'''

''You didn't''

'''And that hurts'''

''More then anything''

'''I truely loved you boy'''

''Sorry for that, once again''

Esperanto - Test 2

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'''I-Read the sentences and translate.'''

1. La pano estas bona:
2. La knabino trinkas la lakton:
3. La knabino kaj(and)la patro trinkas la bonan lakton:
4. La floro estas bela:
5. La domo estas bela kaj granda(big):
6. La birdo kaj la insekto estas malgrandaj:

'''II-Change from masculine to femenine and viceversa.'''

1.Kudo:
2.signoro:
3.Knabino:
4.fratino:

'''III-Transalte from English into Esperanto.'''

1. The dog is an animal:
2. The father and the sister drink the milk:
3. The flower and the house are beautiful:

Remember to use kaj(and).

*[[Esperanto]]

Esperanto - Test 3

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Ideas for the 4th General Meeting

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Please, add your ideas here. If there is no section for your idea, please, add it.

==Organizational==

===Date and time===
Please put down when you can attend the General Meeting in order of preference:
* December 4 (8-20 UTC), December 1 (8-12 UTC), December 8 (8-12 UTC), December 11 (8-20 UTC) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] - Sorry can't do December 11th [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 12:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
* December 4 (16-20 UTC), December 11 (16-20 UTC) [[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]]
* Unfortunately I will be out of the Internet for some days, so I will not be able to attend the meeting, but I will try to provide some suggestions regarding technical issues in this page. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 16:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
* December 8 and after. - Samarre, french encyclopedia

===General secretary?===
* We need at least a person who would take care about daily jobs in our community; i.e. we need a secretary. I think that it shouldn't be one person (first of all, because it is hard to work alone), so I suggest a three persons secretariat. Also, I think that people in secretariat should rotate every three months (maybe more, maybe less, we should talk about it). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

*What involves the "daily work" of the general secretariat?
--[[User:LibertÃ |LibertÃ ]] 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
WouldÂ´t mind... daily you mean...?

===General meetings on the wiki?===
* I think that our IRC General Meetings are not so useful because not all people have enough of free time at the particular moment. We have a wiki and I think that we should use it. According to my experience, I suggest three-phases wiki General Meetings: (1) one week for gathering proposals, (2) one week for discussions about proposals and (3) one week for voting (if voting is needed). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
** I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

===Voting and members===
* I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
** I don't think that simple majority is a good solution. Consensus-like system should be good enough (I think that 80% majority is OK). But, as I remember, we didn't have any non-consensual decision through our almost three years of history ;) Also, a good questions are: who is voting?, which people are "us"? We should define at least a person per language who would be responsible for new people; or we should make some other mechanism... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
* I think that the [http://rampart.co.nr rampART collective] constitution deals with that quite well. When you simply use their services you are a visitor, if you want to join you simply have to begin participating and on the second participation you are a part of it. Now they are quite weird, as it doesn't actually work this way in real life... but i think it would be a good thing. Let's say that if a person has at least 2 days of contritubions (whether that is articles or any other sort of contributions) the person is a part of the collective. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
** I learned one good lesson while participating on Serbian Wikipedia and Wikimedia Serbia: Until we were small and unknown project, we were very good. When we started to go to public, we became an easy target for people who were trying to heal their frustrations there... I don't want to talk a lot here about that experience, but I don't participate there since April. So, the point is to find a good defense positions for the community. Even we have much more similar political positions then any community on Wikipedia has, I know destructive anarchists (and what about non-anarchists who are willing to spend a lot of time to destruct one anarchist project?). So, if we want to have such fast adoption in the community, we need a fast exclusion, too... But, I think that better idea is to find some slower and safer method for adopting new members. Some of the ideas for thinking are:
**# Local adoption and local rules. This may mean, but not necessarily (and maybe better not) language-based local communities. In general, this should be a model of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/affinity_group affinity groups] (btw, we don't have that article on eng:). So, we should constitute some number of affinity groups (for the beginning, we may say that we have as many affinity groups as languages Anarchopedia has) and to leave to the particular groups a way of adoption of new members (which would become members of Anarchopedian community, too). Also, we should find some way for relatively fast recognizing of affinity groups: a procedure of one week voting after some group express desire to become Anarchopedian affinity group? (We should talk a lot more about this issue. This paragraph is just a scratch...) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
**# The crucial thing in the world full of hierarchies is to find a solution between openness and integrity of our own community. So, the previous model (above) may be a good one, but, for sure, it is not the only one. So, we should talk about possible models of organizing our community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

===Publicity of work===
* There is one more thing: If we have something which shouldn't be decided publicly (I know people who don't like to work publicly ;) ), then such decisions may be made on IRC. However, the main idea is to relax IRC decisions because of the main reason (see above). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
** I'm for public decisions for things that are public. For example the discussion on Anarchist Point of View must be public... but the discussion how we pay for something that needs to be paid for needs to be private if it names some people or something. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

===Time of the next session===
* <s>In that sense, I suggest that we make 4th General Meeting on IRC (for example, at Sunday, 22nd July) just to delegate three persons for temporary secretariat who would prepare the 5th General Meeting on wiki.</s> --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
* So, when would we have another session? For sure, after the a-camp, but when? Maybe to wait people to back from a-camp and to decide then? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

===Transparency===
There will eventually be some major problems if Anarchopedia doesn't become more transparent. There needs to be a clear explanation, a '''single''' place where all the agreed rules are listed. At the very most it should be two places, one for the Anarchopedia as the whole, and one for the particular language. It should not be like Wikipedia where users learn the rules slowly as the time goes by, as this creates preferential treatment for the users that have already been a part of the project, and as such is in fact a form of hidden hierarchy. The rules that must be listed (whatever we decide these rules should say):
* Point of view on Anarchopedia
* Giving people software access priviledges
* Blocking people for vandalism
* How to propose changes to the rules
[[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 15:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::Please see [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

==Finances==
* We need to gather some money for hosting and domains... However, Libre should tell more where we are standing. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
**how do we organise the donations's data backup ? do i have to put that in clear (and the fact that all peoples can see it) or do i have to put the list in private just for anarchopedian peoples ? or do we put it on public/private anarchopedian-lists ? i think names don't have to be enounced in the donation's list, or maybe just pseudo (but no one could have put their pseudo when they have send their donation). problem is that, like i am the treasurer, it would need maybe some controls on money which go on accounts... you can trust in me, don't quiet. But if we were two peoples to verify money account (paypal, others), it would be best, maybe. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 17:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)'''
*** I think that our finances should be transparent. This means that we should announce publicly how much money do we have and how do we spend them. People who gave money should have possibility to decide would they do that anonymously or not, but we should put the list of donations (like: person1 -- 10 EUR, anon1 -- 10 EUR, anon2 -- 20 EUR...). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
*** Yes, it is a good idea to have more than one person as treasurer. I shouldn't be that, Beta_M is willing to take a responsibility of general secretary, X doesn't like to deal with banks, so Rev is the only person on my mind now (however, maybe we have other people who are able/willing to be treasurers). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
****In fact, i think too that it must be transparent. But i thank with some last discussions, that there were a problem with money transparence... I've put [[Anarchopedia:Finances|donations's list here]]. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''

==Technical issues==
* Anarchopedia is taking a lot of Tachanka's CPU (sometimes 70%). The only relevant solution is to find some money and get more resources... See finances for details ;) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
*: This is a critical problem, I think. CPU usage is high but still we are not serving many pages per second. Our number of users is limited by the number of pages we can serve. I have enabled [http://anarchopedia.org/server-statistics this page] via the apache configuration, to estimate any speed improvements. Possible solutions:
*:# Compiling PHP or trying other PHP code optimization. (using php5-xcache meant a 3x speed up, but we are still below 2 pages served per second). More optimization should be possible by not compiling separately the code for each language-based anarchopedia.
*:# Installing and configuring an HTTP caching proxy like squid (as was used in the past), this should speed up especially the requests from search engine bots and the occasional readers, leaving more space for contributors.
*:# Rate limiting the requests from search engine bots.
*:# Changing from Mediawiki to a different, faster software (may not be easy).
*:# Trying a different version of Mediawiki.
*:# Hardware upgrade (eg. more RAM)
*:~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
* We should set up a standard regarding the icons we use for certain actions of categories. This should be set up global, since the upload is on meta. This way we wonâ€™t fill up the hdds with useless images, and everything will become way more accessible. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
* People upload images with lowercase first letter... this makes them inaccessible ([[:Image:black cat.png]]) and this in turn leads to duplication ([[:Image:99051.jpg]]), can this be changed in any way... possibly just by making a note on the upload page saying that it's important to keep the first letter capital. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

===Server===
I'm not content with our server-place in USA. I also dislike a place in Europe and prefer a place in south/middle-america. How about Mexico (in example vientos.info) or Venezuela? --[[User:X|X]] 17:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
<br>
has this been sort it out?
my apollogies i was kicked out.

===Problem !!!===
Our harddrive is full with database-entrys, i copied old backups from 2008 to my laptop and deleted it on a server, that I could restart the server. That gives time to think about a solution for a few days or weeks, I need help for managing /var/log/mysql/* ... --[[User:Eamr|Eamr]] 12:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Ideas==
* I opened test phase of "[[Anarchopedian blog]]". I think that we should talk about it at the linked page (at the moment nothing is there; I'll write something about it, but anyone who has some questions, ideas, suggestions etc. about this issue -- let (s)he feel free to start the page. The main idea of the blog is to gather community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
*:Maybe you already know about this, maybe you don't. I've just found it now. http://anarchoblogs.protest.net/ [[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 21:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
*::Good point, there is no reason to reinvent the wheel when the resources (specifically 'human resources') are not that great in our project yet. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
*:::I can't disagree with you on that but I think that the main goal of a blog, for a group or collective, is to get a way of communicating what's around, what's being done, to invite to participation,... I think it could bring the project to more real-life-connectedness (new word) - samarre (''french AP'')
* Also, I think that we should start a project "[[people.anarchopedia.org]]", which should be a social networking site for anarchists, which would allow categorization by interests, ideas etc. What others think about it? I made a link to the page, so anyone interested in such project may add her/his comments there. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
*:I don't know if this is such a good idea. I understand you are trying to get more people on anarchopedia, and this will definitely get them, but it wonâ€™t get the type of people that would actually contribute to anarchopedia. Theyâ€™ll basically just fill up their profile pages with useless junk, and use up the space on the servers for nothing. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
*::Yes, this is always a problem. Maybe we should introduce blog now and to see how it is going with that... If our experience with blogs would be good enough (i.e. we got some new editors), maybe social public networking site wouldn't be so bad idea. I think that such things are needed by the online anarchist community and that we should try to make it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 11:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
*:I wish to disagree with this. Let's think about who will actually blog. Most likely it will be only some of the people who are already on anarchopedia, it will not bring up more people. Social networking however, does help. The problem is that it needs to be very well throught through, and it should be something well done or not done at all. I think this topic has been discussed on #anarchopedia before. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

==Projects space==
I would like to add space on meta wiki that would be used on contact between the different apedias. A page where different apedias could explain their projects would be very helpful to understand others and maybe inspire from what they create. - [[User:Samarre-fr]]

: IÊ¼ll definitely second this proposal. I think that there needs to be enough autonomy for the decisions made in the different communities, but others should know of what is going on. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 10:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

:: I propose this page: [[Anarchopedia:Inter-projects]]. If you have anything to add or note, feel free to do so. If a more international expression could fit, I would personally find it better. - samarre

==Are the projects saved?==
This one will maybe be answered without needing a general assembly, but I still have this question unresolved: are the projects saved somewhere so if the site is hacked, internet goes down or whatever, the texts will be available? - samarre

==ThreadMode==
I think that having people discuss articles in http://uesmod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ThreadMode is a great idea, and have articles look more like MeatballWiki-like discussions than "articles" which seems too much like NPOV to me. I believe we should include, welcome all points of view (except if they are to promote spam), but this view may be a bit flawed when it comes to authoritarians or people on the "side" of neutrality. But I think that things would be better with ThreadMode, not DocumentMode. Another thing is that we could eliminate talk pages and user talk pages (because user pages and mainspace pages will be discussions) which will save some server space. --[[User:Anonymity|'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans,'Bitstream Vera Sans';"><font color="#a00">A<font color="#a44">n<font color="#c22">o<font color="#b60">n<font color="#a77">y</font>m</font>i</font>t</font>y</font></span>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 22:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

: I don't like that idea. There are already thousands upon thousands of forums for anarchist discussion. There are also wikis which have "All Points of View" policy. But currently there is nothing like Anarchopedia. If we will try to make this project like all the others, we will lose the diversity and any reason for people to be here. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 13:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

==Protection==
I believe that protection of pages should be a last resort, there should be a limited number of pages protected. Also protecting talk pages should not be allowed, as it disallows people from expressing something. I think that this should be one of the policies. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anonymity==
===IP addresses in database===
I am currently working on the simple way to make the IP addresses stored in the database almost useless to the attacker who manages to get ahold of our database (either through social engineering or other means). My plan is to hash all the IP addresses before they get stored in the database. This way we can still compare if two IP addresses are in fact the same (allowing us to check for sockpoppetry, or to block spammers), but makes it more expensive to track down the person from the hash in the database. Negative aspects include that i'll probably have to make a slight hack in the code of MediaWiki (i will announce before doing it, and will definitely back everything up prior to that) which will make it more difficult to update to newer versions (as the hack will have to be replecated). The database aspect will be done with the trigger on mysql tables, so that change will be seemless. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
===freekiwiki===
Please accept my apologies for the slowness of the delivery of the workable [http://freekiwiki.sf.net freekiwiki], i am working on it, and hope to have a release which can work propperly in synchrony with MediaWiki. I do not have the release schedule, and cannot say when i will be done, as i am performing a major redesign at the moment. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

=== Compatibility etc. ===
The only thing which I would like to be implemented in all changes is the compatibility with MediaWiki code. If we don't have such compatibility, we wouldn't be able to upgrade MediaWiki, which usually includes a very basic things, like anti-spam prevention. The best way for doing so is to make an extension for MediaWiki. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, we should be possible to see if two addresses belongs to the same C class. I think that such solution was made by IRC daemon (on irc.indymedia.org). In brief, particular numbers inside of IPv4 notation should be encrypted. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:I have been writing a lengthy response to your post disagreeing with you, and realised that my IP hashing project won't help. If two people use the same IP they will still show up identical after the hash, and if the person can use proxy, nothing stops one from using proxy in the different C class. So here-by i am stopping the hash project. (see my proposal now below) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::New CheckUser interface (our is very old) may see client software, too (or, at least, how client software introduces themselves to web server). Very often way for making (stupid) vandalism is to use dynamic IP address of one provider, which is usually inside of the same C class. So, having some kind of sum for each IP address may be very useful. Or, at least, having a separate sum for the first three numbers of an IP address (it is not so simple to crack 2^48 of combinations even with known algorithm). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Note, also, that one thing is encryption of MediaWiki database and the other thing is encryption of Apache logs. Without solving both things, the problem is not solved. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:Question: For how long do we keep the logs? Would it be possible to set up a simple script that would wipe the logs from January on Chinese New Year, and logs from February on April Fools? The same can be done with the IP addresses in the databases. I mean if after a month we still don't know if the person is a vandal or not, we won't learn that afterwards. I am not talking about IPs which were blocked, or even IPs of the users who aren't logged in, but rather the IPs which are stored for the logged in users in the recentchanges table. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::Generally, until the disk is full (or until Anarchopedia is moving on some other server) and after that an Anarchopedian with good enough Internet connection and enough of space on their hard disk is backupping logs. My personal opinion about logs is that they are our history and that they should be kept somewhere out of servers (encrypted, whatever). However, if dominant opinion is to delete logs, it is OK for me (I understand privacy concerns). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I also agree that we need to be compatible, but I cannot program, therefore, I don't think I can help. --[[User:Anonymity|Anon.]] | [[User talk:Anonymity|Talk]] ''([[Special:Emailuser/Anonymity|<font color="#d34700">@</font>]]'' 23:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==what's an APOV==
*Following the last G.M., some anarchists were leaving the project cause that acceptance of capitalistsPOV in here. do we have to leave all this project and going on (e.g) infoshop ?
*post-modernism terminology, capitalist terminology, socialist terminology, anarchist terminology ? what's freedom and equality ? do we need authoritarians theories to live and practice anarchy ?

-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''

----

(The next text was originally written in Russian about ruWikipedia and posted at [[rus:User:Caesarion/ÐÐ¢Ð—]]. There are minor differences between ru and en Wikipedias, but you should understand me)

One of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:5 five pillars] of Wikipedia is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPOV NPOV] (neutral point of view). In a nutshell: 'All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias.' I want to remind two types of violation: 1) bias; 2) incompleteness.

There is APOV (anarchistic point of view) in Anarchopedia, but there is no concensus what it is. I'll try to formulate it.

Well. Wikipedia's definition consists of 2 parts. The first tells that editors must present facts, but mustn't propagandize that one fact is true and other is wrong. The second tells that all points of view must be presented fully and proportionally.

APOV consist of 2 parts, too. And the first is the same as Wikipedia has: APOV requires only presentation of facts, but no propaganda. The difference is in the second part.

APOV requires acquaintance with all points of view (completeness must be), but only acquaintance. And fully consideration is needed only from the view of anarchist (or anarchists, because anarchism consists of many schools). Also there must be criticism (if any) of these points of view.

Well, I'll try to formulate the second part of APOV: all point of view must be presented, but fully consideration is needed only for the anarchists points of view (and their criticism).

Finally I want to remind, that Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, but not a mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misha_Verbitsky Misha Verbitsky] wrote in his book 'Anticopyright' words, which, I think, must be the first rule of any thematic wiki-encyclopaedia:
<blockquote>
<p>Discussion of arguments pros and cons copyright is a stupid work; it is like religious debate about advantages of Linux over Microsoft (and vice versa) or criminal Yeltsin's gang (which must be judged) and necessity of market reforms. Adherents of different points of view have no chances to come to an agreement, and even won't listen to each other.</p>
<p>Of cource, it is impossible to get any sense from these arguments. Idea, any idea, could win only if its opponents will die. Point of this book is not to persuade anyone; persuasion is the product of high salary or when someone is hit with something heavy on the head. This book is not for that, but for fixing of different instructive stories about anticopyright.</p>
</blockquote>

-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:oops sorry, i didn't see that there were a response.
:i think APOV have to be depending of an anarchist perspective. all point of view can be stated but the perspective of articles have to be anarchist. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]''' 7 February 2009.

== Case-sensitivity of the first character ==
First of all two links: [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_name#Case-sensitivity_of_the_first_character]. So, let's talk about $wgCapitalLinks. Now the first character is case-sensitive in many (A)pedias. I'm not sure it is the best. I'll try to summarize the pros and cons (please feel free to edit).

=== Arguments for the first character ''should'' be case-sensitive ===
* Depending on the first character some words have different meanings. E.g. '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Internet Internet]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/internet internet]''' or '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/God God]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/god god]'''.
* The only extra action editor must do is to add '''''also''''' template in the beginning of the article.

=== Arguments for the first character ''should not'' be case-sensitive ===
* Not so mush words have different meanings. Wikipedia also has articles '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet Internet]''' and '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God God]''', but it is not a problem. (A)pedia is an encyclopaedia, not a dictionary, so it is better to do as Wikipedia does.
* Somebody could forget to add '''''also''''' template. And somebody could forget the meaning of the word when he or she makes link. Mechanism of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation disambiguation page] garantees no errors like these.
* Sometimes link could be in the beginning of sentence, sometimes in the middle. There are 2 solutions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Piped_links piped links] and redirects. But it is easier to make unpiped links then piped. And make redirects for MOST articles is not the best.

=== Discussion ===
We must understand the goal and the means. The goal is clear: to differ meanings of one word. The means is also clear: each meaning should have its own article. I hope everyone agrees with this.

The question is which mechanism is better: case-sensitivity of the first character or disambiguation page? Ex facte the first mechanism is looked more natural. But judge not of men and things at first sight! Yes, I agree, the second mechanism is more sophisticated, but it has one really big advantage: it prevents errors. It will be impossible to confuse one article with another, because there will be only one disambiguation page for both links and two articles with really different names. So I think we should use case-'''in'''sensitive first character in all (A)pedias. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== Anarchopedia is... ==
What is Anarchopedia? Now this simple question doesn't have the only answer. Look at this:
* A People's Encyclopedia. Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.' -- [[Main Page]]
* NULL -- [[eng:Main Page]]
* Anarchopedia is a repository of information freely editable by anyone with few, if any restrictions.' -- [[eng:Anarchopedia:About]]
* Anarcopedia es la primera enciclopedia wiki anarquista.' -- [[spa:Portada]]
* AnarcopÃ©dia, A enciclopÃ©dia libertÃ¡ria.' -- [[por:PÃ¡gina principal]]
* a primeira enciclopÃ©dia wiki anarquista' -- [[por:AnarcopÃ©dia]]

I think it is very important to understand what we are (and what we are not) and to formulate it in a few sentonces and post it in every main page (and other suitable places). So let's write down statements (to reach a consensus) and then we should combine them in a few (better one) sentences.

=== Anarchopedia is ===
* '''Multilanguage wiki-face of world anarchism.'''
: Is it forever, that anarchopedia.org uses wiki and only wiki? Will we use any other technology together with wiki?
: Is it true that we are the world face? Is there any bigger, more popular site like Anarchopedia?
* '''An experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.'''
* '''At least a part of Anarchopedia is encyclopaedia.'''

=== Is Anarchopedia? ===
* '''Anarchist community?'''
: I disagree that Anarchopedia is a place for anarchists only. I think Anarchopedia is a place where all people could get (and put) information about anarchism.
* '''Nothing but encyclopaedia?'''
: Of cource, encyclopaedia about anarchism is the main idea of this site. I think we shouldn't stop. We have wiki, so it is possible for example to publish online (or store scans of offline) newpaper about anarchism.

=== Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not ===
* '''Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda.'''
: Encyclopaedia must contain no propaganda. Encyclopaedia must tell truth independently of its authors views. In other places (e.g. on the users personal pages) propaganda is acceptable, but not in encyclopaedia.

-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:What is truth ? isn't there capitalist's truth, statist's truth, anarchist's truth and others differents truth depending on your point of view ? i think there's an anarchist's truth, and that anarchopedia have to take an APOV, or, to die in post-modernism restricto-terminologisation novlang. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 21:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)'''
[[Category:General Meetings]]
:: Scientific facts are truth. I hope everyone agree that there is no capitalism/statist/anarchistic/other science. 'There are much more straights than gays' -- it is fact. 'Gays are worse/better than straight' -- it is not fact, it is opinion of some people. If we write an article about gays, we must tell about this opinion and about people who participate it, but we mustn't assert that it is true or false. And even in the article 'anarchy' we mustn't assert that anarchy is better than authority. -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 21:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::
:::Ok i understand what you meant first ; It is taking a scientific POV about truth. But it exist differents scientific POV about things, differents theories... and some theories can be false (Geocentric model, Germ theory of disease), cause basis are bad.
:::"terminology" can having differents meanings depending POV. And that even science can't cut and saying what is the good terminology or good signifiance of words... there's history of terminology depending movements. Anarchism own his terminology, by his history, which is not the same that capitalists/statists/others ones... Meanings can change with history and evolution of life/society, but not the basis (hypothesis, axioms ?)...
:::By example : Anarchism fight for Liberty and equality which are the opposite to authority. Hierarchical is authoritarian, then theories which defend hierarchical are authoritarian, and are opposite to liberty and equality, then to anarchism. by example, "anarcho"-capitalism defend hierarchical, then there's nothing anarchism in that theory. Then a definition/introduction must explain clearly in the article that it is not anarchism, but an oxymoron, a false theory.
:::And to reply to "Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not... Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda" ; it existed an "[[anarchistic encyclopaedia|anarchist encyclopedia]]" which was written by anarchists (and near) in which you can read some really good anarchist propaganda... Then if Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, and that there's no anarchist propaganda, why this "Anarcho"-encyclopaedia-project ?
:::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''
:::: If there are several definitions of a term, must write down all of them. E.g. for the article 'anarcho-capitalism' it should be something like this:<blockquote>
::::: Anarcho-capitalists (and most researchers and some other anarchists, e.g. anarcho-individualists) state, that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism...<br><br>Most other anarchists (especially anarcho-communists and anarcho-collectivists) state, that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other.
</blockquote>
:::: Such definition covers all of the meanings and propagandizes nothing. This is what any encyclopedia must be.

:::: I didn't read "anarchist encyclopedia", but who calls it an 'encyclopedia'? Themselves, I think. To call oneself and to be -- it is not the same. If they propagandize something, they are not an encyclopedia.

:::: And Anarchopedia is 'anarcho' because, firstly, it isn't a general encyclopedia like Wikipedia is. There must be no articles in Anarchopedia which have no relation to anarchism. And secondly, Anarchopedia is an experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.

:::: -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 08:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::In that example of definition, it take a capitalist POV, under a scientific neutral POV bias. It define implicitly hypothesis that "Anarchism" beeing only against state, then like capitalists are against actual form of state (in fact "a"-c want their private state, their private monopole of force to protect their private property) it allow to enounce it like being in anarchism, but it's a false hypothesis, cause anarchism is against all form of state (private, public, etc) and hierarchies... The hypothesis of this definition is false. with a such hypothesis, we can add in all sort of authoritarian theories/movements, which don't accept actual State... but would want their particular State. That is a scientific and libertarian POV i enounce, and not a scientific and neutral POV. I don't believe in neutrality. Neutrality is for wp. Neutralism is for mainstream. I am for an anarchist perspectivism. The aim is anarchy, means have to be connected to that, and vis versa.
:::::This definition take a capitalist POV, it use in the defintion all their ideological/terminological bias. And that is scientific, it just search all their propaganda, it use the same. it reproducte their ideology.
:::::There's no need to allow capitalist propaganda to use Anarchopedia, wikipedia (or others) is enough for them.
:::::I am an anarchist without adjectives, i recognize all form of anarchism, and i reject all '''archists'''. '''capitalists''' can't be anarchists, cause they are '''hierarchists'''. they are only a radical form of liberalism.
:::::What it is written like example of definition can't be an introduction. it can be just a debate beetween Anarchism and "A"-capitalism. But an introduction need a scientific and non-neutral POV.
:::::in [[:eng:anarcho-capitalism]], i propose to enounce a minimal introduction of that theory depdnding a anarchist perspective :<blockquote>
:::::"''The "anarcho"-capitalism is a liberal political philosophy and theory, non-anarchist, who want to privatize state for the benefit of capitalist competing companies. They defend actual economical and social hierarchy. Anarcho-capitalists state that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism... They attempts to reconcile capitalism, as defined in classical liberalism, with Anarchism and anarchist themes such as opposition to the State and individual freedom. Most other anarchists state that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other, and that anti-statism and individual freedom aren't sufficient to be enounced like "anarchist"''"
:::::</blockquote>
:::::About the "anarchist encyclopedia" (only in french), it is sure it wasn't a "neutralist encyclopedia". Articles of that "anarchist encyclopedia" are reproducted in here : [http://www.encyclopedie-anarchiste.org/index.html l'EncyclopÃ©die Anarchiste de SÃ©bastien Faure].
:::::In fact, even the "Encyclopedia - a systematic dictionary of the sciences, arts, and crafts -" from Diderot and d'Alembert had the aim to fight religious and political fanatism, and apologize rational and freedom spirit. I think Anarchopedia can fight against economical and political authoritarism in all sorts... like capitalism, statism, nationalism, etc. Do we have to support authoritarians views which presents themselves like libertarians ? no. We know what was/is wrong with moralist (religious & co) authoritarians, we know what was/is wrong with economics (capitalists & co) and politicals (statists & co) authoritarians... and we are, anarchist, anti-authoritarians. do we have to having shame of that ?
:::::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 11:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)'''
:::::: Let's leave the discussion of ideologies to their actual pages, shall we? There's no shame in describing what anarchism is and stands for- in fact, the Wiki can at present be used as a highly useful guide to anarchy for archists. Let's stick to discussing the wiki as a whole.

There are too many irrelevant articles. And too many red links, which, if created, would only add to the list of irrelevant articles. Is this an encyclopedia of anarchism, or just another general encyclopedia, created primarily by anarchists? I suppose a general encyclopedia without the problematic restrictions of Wikipedia might be beneficial, but in general those restrictions aren't really problematic. Their NPOV policy is good for most general issues. It's when we start talking about contentious issues, like anarchism, that it becomes a problem -- and that's where an encyclopedia of anarchism becomes necessary. I think this encyclopedia should be limited to the subject at hand. Irrelevant articles should be deleted, and red links should not be made if the articles they initiate would be irrelevant. Instead, we should simply link to Wikipedia (or some other general encyclopedia) for general and irrelevant issues. I'm sure we could play "seven degrees of separation" and find tangential relevance for just about any issue, but common sense is enough to tell us which articles need to be here and which don't. I'm not implying rules and enforcement here, just consensus agreement and self-restraint. The current consensus seems to be for the project to become a general encyclopedia, written mostly from the anarchist perspective. I suggest we rethink this. I suggest an encyclopedia of anarchism, limited accordingly, by agreement. --[[User:Razor6|Razor6]] 20:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest that we leave aside the term "truth" for the purposes of this discussion. I think that the standard for posting should be factual accuracy, with the understanding that facts can be interpreted in myriad different ways. The idea of "neutral POV" is an oxymoron; no point of view is every really neutral. It would make more sense, in my opinion, to allow for multiple points of view on the same basic facts as long as those points of view are made as explicit as possible.
--[[User:elisa]]

While it is neither necessary nor practical to insist that truth is required, it seems to me entirely possible to infer that the search for truth, at least, is part of the goals of this encyclopaedia. That way we are not caught in the trap that WP got in: Verifiability Uber Alles, and other devotions to compromises. Ignore All Rules never gets used in WP, and that is why. If you are not allergic to European history, read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance Auld Alliance] for an example of the potential truth or at least beauty of 'essays'; every day I pray some deletionist Philistine does not get ahold of that article.[[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 07:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

=== Wholesale deletion of articles ===
I believe everything on the Spanish Civil War has either been deleted or removed, probably by some capitalist who came across the website. Try to look any information up on it, you will end up with nothing. Yesterday it was all there, but today there is nothing on the Spanish Civil War.
--[[User:XC(A)libur]] <br>Anarchangel moved this comment on 25 Sept [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

<s>I concur; I rewrote a Spanish Civil War article, and it also was deleted; the record of my writing it disappeared from my Contributions. That would have taken an administrator to accomplish on WP, I dunno about here. I wrote a Guatemala coup of 1954, Democracy Now!, and numerous other articles; they were all deleted, and again, the record disappeared. Please please pay attention to this problem, I really want to contribute here but I cannot if it is all for nothing. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</s>
My bad, sorry. When anyone clicks on the link to this discussion, they get moved to Meta, and Meta shows none of the contributions for Anarchopedia, nor is there an obvious link back to Anarchopedia. All my articles are still here. Or, there. You know what I mean. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

unequal power relationship

2010-11-18T00:26:46Z

Yfemorerafa:

An '''unequal power relationship''' is a [[relationship]] in which some have the [[power]] to control others' actions and in which such power is not evenly [[power distribution|distributed]] among all involved. When unequal power relationships become widespread, [[power network]]s may form.

>=== UPRs that do not lead to power networks ===

==== entirely voluntary/temporary ====

However, not all unequal power relationships will result in the formation of a power network. A relationship that is entirely [[voluntary]] and preserves the [[right to secede]] (e.g. a healthy [[BDSM]] relationship) will not likely form a long term unequal power relationship.

==== isolated and/or secret ====

If the unequal power relation is sporadic and not widespread and reinforced by some [[social conditioning]], no persistent power network can be formed either. An isolated coercive unequal power relationship (e.g. a [[capitalist]] secretly [[kidnapping]] and [[slavery|enslaving]] a [[worker]]) will not form a power network, since these cannot operate in secret.

==== familial ====

The [[human family]] is probably the most basic example of an unequal power relationship: [[human child]]ren stand necessarily in an unequal position relative to their [[human parent]]s. One of those parents may have some profound power over the other reinforced by law, but, this does not necessarily mean that everyone enabled by that power or help from society is going to form a single [[power network]] to retain it and extend it. Families are more different in how they handle power than they are similar.

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=== UPRs that lead to PNs ===

==== employment ====

In [[Marxist]] discourse the [[wage slave]] is the most basic unequal power relationship, and leads directly to the power network called the [[economic class]]. Of these the most difficult to organize but most potentially powerful is the [[proletariat]] who seek to abolish master-slave relations in the economy (perhaps confining them to the bedroom or whatever).

==== police/military ====

The [[command hierarchy]] of [[police]], [[paramilitary]] or [[military]] forces necessarily form a power network and must ally with other such to define and control [[property]] - that is their sole purpose, according to [[Marxist]] discourse, and the protection of "[[human rights]]" is merely a cover concern.

==== guardianship of a commons ====

The commitment to protect something or someone creates an unequal power relationship between the person who makes the commitment and all those not committed, who might exploit or harm or destroy what is protected. Those can choose to take or harm or attack what is protected, while the guardian can't leave - they are forced by their own commitment to stay and suffer the difficulties.

It is this defensive relationship and common trauma that can turn [[social network]]s into a common [[power network]] like a [[non-governmental organization]], [[political party]] or a [[civil disobedience]] group or (looser) [[anarchization]] of like-minded defenders of a [[commons]].

Essentially, if no power network is formed, the guardians will necessarily fail when their attackers succeed in forming one - to for instance overwhelm the guardians one by one to take what they are protecting.

mechanistic bias

2010-11-18T00:26:42Z

Yfemorerafa:

>A '''mechanistic bias''' is what arises from an unquestioned acceptance of the [[mechanistic paradigm]] in one's own life. It is part of the [[systemic bias]] of all [[large public wiki]]s for instance, including [[Wikipedia]] and [[Disinfopedia]].

It may lead inexorably to [[authoritarian bias]] via [[God's Eye View]] imposed by [[technological escalation]] along a typical [[command hierarchy]]. ''See [[Frederick Engels]], ''[[On Authority]]'' for a convincing exposition of this view.''

[[To anarchize]] is to overcome both mechanistic and authoritarian bias, and so achieve an [[anarchization]], which in turn prevents arbitrary [[organization]] beyond body limits. ''See [[anarchize:body, cognition and senses]] for some specific proposals on how to do this for [[Anarchopedia:Itself]] - probably easier for Anarchopedia than [[Wikipedia]] as [[Anarchopedia:We]] do not share this bias.''

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