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Talk:ماڵه‌وه‌
2007-06-09T21:05:15Z
<p>Aspam: Reverted edits by Wwwzhudan (Talk); changed back to last version by 217.144.240.250</p>
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<div>Much better than the current one, but I think we do not a need a featured article on meta, or does it make sense to you? --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|blackredisbeautiful]] 14:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I have edited the page a bit but I am not sure I am satisfied with it yet... it would be good to some introductory text in languages other than english. About the featured article, we could rather advertise articles on language based encyclopedias. -''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 00:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== wikipedia.org styling? ==<br />
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what about having a similar styling as http://www.wikipedia.org has? --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|blackredisbeautiful]] 07:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
:i see some anarchopedia project that are not active : http://ido.anarchopedia.org/Halaman_Utama http://swe.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Huvudsida http://chi.anarchopedia.org/index.php/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5 http://dut.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Hoofdpagina http://nno.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Hovudside ; i propose to put it after principal anarchopedian project that are active. i changed like a proposition the graphic of this page. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 13:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Anarcopedia en español==<br />
Hay problemas en la anarcopedia en español, la barra de navegación ha cambiado de idioma, y no es posible ingresar usuarios registrados, tampoco es visible ni el logo ni imágenes.<br />
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There are problems in anarchopedia in spanish, the navigation bar have fails (it have chnage the language), its imposible to log in registered users, the logo have desappear... (excuse my english). Please if someone can repair this, dot it fast.<br />
--[[User:192.188.52.98|192.188.52.98]] 00:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, i hope dont forget to fix the character problems in "anarcopedia en espa�ol"<br />
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Thanks for the proyect<br />
--[[User:200.63.241.218|200.63.241.218]] 16:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Now its better, but still there are problems with some characteres (like '''´'''s)<br />
--[[User:200.63.241.218|200.63.241.218]] 19:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Please, can anyone bring a solution to a problem with search buttom in "anarcopedia en español" (that buttom doesn`t work). Thanks for the proyect. --[[User:192.188.52.98|192.188.52.98]] 23:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I found a solution for the search-problem. I want to fix the apache-configuration now. ;-) --[[User:X|X]] 16:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== problems editing nob.anarchopedia and nor.anarchopedia ==<br />
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There seems to be a problem in editing nor.anarchopedia and nob.anarchopedia <br />
in that editing nor.anarchopedia does not show up on nob.anarchopedia, both of wihch are norwegian pages for the two official norwegian languages.<br />
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nno.anarchopedia is for the second of the two languages -- username "Partisan" at nob.anarchopedia and nor.anarchopedia</div>
Aspam
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2007-06-09T21:04:49Z
<p>Aspam: Reverted edits by 58.147.0.227 (Talk); changed back to last version by Beta M</p>
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|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[deu:|Deutschsprachige Anarchopedia]]'''</div>Anarchopedia ist ein offenes Wissensportal für und von AnarchistInnen.<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[fra:|Anarchopedia francophone]]'''</div> c'est un projet coopératif et anarchiste de réalisation d'une base de connaissance ouverte sur des sujets liés à l'[[:fra:anarchisme|anarchisme]].<br />
|width="33%"|A People's Encyclopedia.<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[eng:|Anarchopedia in English]]'''</div>Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.<br />
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|width="33%"|L'enciclopedia della gente.<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[ita:|Anarchopedia in Italiano]]'''</div>Anarchopedia è il portale aperto del sapere, un progetto anarchico e cooperativo per la creazione di una enciclopedia multilingue<br />
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Anarchopedia:eng:Syndicate
2007-06-09T21:04:41Z
<p>Aspam: Reverted edits by 89.34.46.50 (Talk); changed back to last version by Rev 22</p>
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===mysqldump===<br />
Could you kindly do regularly updated [[MySQL dump]]s so what happened at [[Recyclopedia]] doesn't happen again.<br />
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mysqldump --opt -uusername -ppassword databasename cur old > anarchopedia.sql <br />
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and then just move it into a downloadable location and update the [[MySQL dump]] article. Thanks.<br />
:I'll do that now, but may you explain to me what was the problem? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:20, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:And do you think that it would be usefull to make daily backups of database because of some mysql problem? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:22, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::: I do not know what the problem is but I can guess. Recyclopedia was a wiki that went up that people saw as an alternative to Wikipedia. So they did a lot of edits and work on the site and then *boom*, it went down. It didn't do mysql dumps to an ftp'able directory every week, so when Recyclopedia went down for good, all the work was lost (except for what people saved and Google cache and so forth).<br />
::: [[Wikipedia]] has a policy that it dumps its database twice a week. Of course, Wikipedia does not follow its policy, the last database dump was 8 days ago. Wikipedia (all languages) has a (compressed) 26.8 gig database. To download just English is 13.5 gigs compressed for the old database, plus 384MB compressed of diffs from the previous dump. Your database is not that big so you don't have to worry about all of that - yet. But backups are always good. Once or twice a week should be enough. Compressed and erased after a certain amount of time (perhaps saving one backup once a month or so). [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 08:45, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::: I didn't say (here) that mysqldumps are working every day at 01:00 CDT (I'll change it soon to 01:00 UTC). I know that mysqldumps would not be so often when Anarchopedia becomes large, but we will find some way for backups... (You can see [[MySQL dump]] page for details.) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 12:31, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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I'll move templates to name space like <nowiki>{{en:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}} of {{localurl:Template:en:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}</nowiki> for english, but use this form for other languages, ie: <nowiki>{{ie:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}} or {{localurl:Template:ie:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}</nowiki>.<br />
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The French and the German pages are now in the new look. I did reserve different traductions where my English is not the best...<br />
Template names: I did prefer to use the same name on English but the introduction with the language signs. For ex. :en:Templates, :de:Templates, :fr:Templates (not :en:Templates, :de:Schablonen, :fr:pochoir). Reasons: It is so better to follow if a page has an absolutely equivalent in de, fr etc. Different internet names have no official equivalent and can be transleted with really very different translations.<br />
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Hi I propose you to introduce each titel with a language mark like, for this page: "en:Syndicate" so you don't need to split as in Wikipedia/Wikibooks/Wiktionary and can use the same titel in different languages. If you rename now your 100 existing pages, we can assure so a really better start!<br />
French and German will continue (it is to late for me now in Europe)! Spanish will follow in a few days...<br />
:If you say so, but do you think that linking should be more complicated if you have to write always <nowiki>[[en:Name of the page]]</nowiki>? I said (on the lost Syndicate page) that I'll open Anarchopedias in other languages, of course. Maybe it is better to have modular Anarchopedia... If we have Anarchopedia in different languages, for example, I can move 10% of data to another server or something like that. If we have one large database, I'll (we'll) have to play with some distributed database, with distributed file system etc. If we look at Wikipeda, we can see that all of non-English Wikipedias has around 1.000.000 articles and English Wikipedia has 300.000. It means that we will have to use "non-conventional" solutions three times after we would have to if all articles are in one database. We do not have to hurry (a lot). 100 or 200 articles are reasonable for moving by hand. Do you still think that it is better not to separate different languages Anarchopedias? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 10:19, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::Hi millosh, I personaly would find better to consider that all the contributors are on the same ship. I am really a new user of such open sites for team work but I did have big difficulties at wikipedia with the terrible big amount of help pages. My special problem for example is that I never did learn English. I can understand 80 .. 90 % of the texts or perhaps more. I can write easier, but not correct, as I can read :-) . Especially because I use a computer programme to translate and check the orthography: I write on English where I can and can enter a German word if don't know it on English: It appairs (sometimes, the computer don't all the words) in the window where I am working. But if I search in an help page it is because I have a really difficult problem. For this reason I did have to look for help on the pages of my familiar languages French and German. But in most situations I did find empty links for the difficult pages, for example concerning "templates" etc. The subdivision wikipedia in different wikis make the multilingual user tired. The logins work only within the lingual subdivision. Etc. It is evident by using Wikipedia that we don't live all on the same planet ;-) ! But specialists oft knows more than one language and would appreciate to considerate the community as a global community and continue to write without to change of community and of interlocutors her messages. There are very different possibilities to split a big site if necessary: I would find the "thematics" better because if I am an occasional user of information, I surf on the web and accept to have to relink and login if I will show my identity. If I work as contributor I would find better to occupate me with writing or translating good things as with logins and other difficulies. If the sum of all contributions (also in all languages) about "technology" for example make a problem and is to heavy, you can split the serveur no 1 in two serveurs no. 1 and no. 2 and bring all the thing about technology on the new serveur. The technology specialist stay all together in only one environment and preserve an high efficacity by working. Perhaps it is also a matter of the technic of redirection technical, login and cookies? --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:10, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:::Yes, you are right. (I am in the similar position as you are... I don't need computer translator (and there are no computer translators for Serbian), but I use dictionaries often and my English syntax is terrible :) ). I think that the most important reason is "living on the same planet". I think that that the Main Page in the future should have welcome and links to other languages. Also, I'll try to work on MediaWiki so we can have different localizations at the same engine. So, we can start with moving. I think that we can work like that: "real pages" should be named like "en:Main Page", but we should have redirect from "Main Page" to "en:Main Page". If one word is written the same in some number of languages; for example, if "Proudhon" is written the same in English and in French -- we should have the page "Proudhon" with links to en:Proudhon and fr:Proudhon. Also, with the note that if someone used an internal link, (s)he should change link to the correct page. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:58, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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I think the pages look messy. There's [[En:anarchism]] and [[en:anarchism]] as well as [[anarchism]]. Instead of something simple like [[libertarian socialism]], something like [[en:libertarian socialism|libertarian socialism]] becomes necessary. I perceive this getting messy. Perhaps you should do it the way Wikipedia does it. Otherwise, it should be as invisible to the end-user as Wikipedia (the web server can detect the language from browser settings or something). [[User:68.161.98.133|68.161.98.133]] 21:43, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:It is open problem at Anarchopedia. Please, read [[en:name space]] and talk there. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:35, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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===Contribution to interlingual organization of Anarchopedia===<br />
Main pages for languages should be at the place: <nowiki>[[Anarchopedia:The name of the language]]</nowiki>. Does anyone have better idea? I moved [[Main Page]] to [[Anarchopedia:English]]. For now, [[Anarchopedia:English]] is the main page, but it would not be in the future,.. Also, use [[Anarchopedia:en:Design]] to be envolved in making new design(s) of Anarchopedia. As soon as possible, I'll put somewhere into Anarchopedian wiki CSS code of Anarchopedian current design. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:52, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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Where is the template now? (I have no copy because the construction of the dictionary isn't finish). This template is one of the 2 more important pages for the multi-linguage traduction dictionary! --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 05:10, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:Hum! all templates are away. The almost finish dictionary is completly broken. Perhaps my error? --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 05:17, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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I would propose a new titel "Equiped for the live" (in good English)! --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:36, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:I am working on the New Main Page. My idea is to devide "Anarchopedia" and "Encyclopedia". The part "Anarchopedia" should be encyclopedia of anarchism and "Encyclopedia" (or your term "Equiped for the life"; I think correct is "life", but I don't know if the article "the" is correct ;) ... of "Equiped to live"). What do (all of) you think about that? I'll finish new design today, but, of course, everything can be changed. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:01, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::I did trying following on French (the page is finish; only proofs and timelines did give me problems to understand it): "Knowledge giving a sens/signification/orientation to live"--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 14:22, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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====Gaiagraphy====<br />
The [http://www-2.knu.ac.kr/~geo/professor/Bill%20Hipwell.htm Gaiagraphy] work by [[Special:Contributions/213.54.182.152|213]] is quite interesting, isn't it? Perhaps this should be a broad, popular front wiki for anarchists, socialists, greens and other [[Anarchopedia:Faction]]s to have encyclopedic articles on [[activism]], [[direct action]], [[social change]] and the like? See [http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Lance_Murdoch] for one perspective.<br />
:Yes, it is interesting. I just wandered what is gaiagraphy :) because it is not so usual term. (Even Google doesn't have a lot of articles about gaiagraphy; around 5 to 10.) Maybe it is good idea to explain what is gaiagraphy first. An, of course, I would like that Anarchopedia become not only an encyclopedia of anarchism, but anarchist (activist, greens and others) encyclopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 10:19, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)</nowiki><br />
::Hi Millosh enter "myers norman gaia" into a search motor to find (actually at yahoo) 11000 references on this autor --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:23, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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===Community===<br />
It would be better to use in all pages the same template: In Wikipedia each one have to add new links to other linguage section, to his sections and to other sections that he find interessting. A template makes that alls sections are automaticly present after her first registation on the English master page... Only the titel would differ. Of course languages with different alphabet can choice a different way. I find it is not important to read the name of the different languages in the language what we frequent actually: If one read "magyar", if he speaks hungary, he knows what is magyar and it is enough! The links to the language subdivisions are not for a curiosity. Why this comment? On weekipedia the links to languages need really a lot of place on the main page. And after a time of growing, place problems can appair... --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 14:36, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==POV questions==<br />
What's the POV conventions for anarchopedia? Is it specifically anarchist? How would we guarantee an anarchist POV, and do it in an anarchist manner? [[User:Millerc|millerc]] 00:44, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:I would think that anything between strict NPOV and APOV (anarchist point of view) is ''acceptable''. Since actual NPOV content does not advocate any position, it does not advocate capitalism, statism, etc. However, if someone decided to insert a fascist or other unwelcome point of view, it could be reverted or cleaned up to remove their advocacy, depending on the circumstances. The content would be preserved in the page history. I do not think that we should attempt to hide any factual information; instead, any such arguments should simply be refuted in the text.<br />
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:The way to enforce APOV is through [[meatball:SoftSecurity|SoftSecurity]]. All edits can be reverted or fixed as easily as they were originally made. In extreme circumstances (e.g. a bot designed to enforce a POV), we could use a [[Special:Blockip|block]] to defend the project. Unlike most other wikis, blocks on Anarchopedia are in no way restricted to a certain class of users, so there is no [[en:state|monopoly on the use of force]].<br />
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:I believe that we should be neutral about differences in opinion between actual anarchists. For example, "[[en:violence]]" should not be an essay opposing violence, nor should it state that violence is necessary for change. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 01:25, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Neutrality is an illusion, we should change the concept of Neutral POV to Global POV. The Global POV is the only POV that includes all other POV. Which means it's the only one to includes itself. Global refers to global as in "Think global, act local". It is also known as the Natural POV, but as NPOV (Natural POV) could be easily confused with NPOV (Neutral POV), GPOV should be preferred. Not to mention the curiosity effect that will draw people to read our policy, guidelines and objectives, and that we have to cultivate our differences from other wiki/encyclopedia projects.<br />
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==New look==<br />
The new main page looks good but I don't find the texts... (The same problem as at Wikipedia! What is a template, how does a template work! ;-) to complicate for me I'm sorry...<br />
The second problem is a "negative film" effect on my PC (Windows 98/IE6) in the editing window.<br />
--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 15:14, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
*I am using templates. Look at [[Anarchopedia talk:Interlingue]] where I explained how to make the main page. You can edit template by clicking on "edit" in the bottom of the cell and you can see there how to do that. If you need some more informations, be free to ask. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 15:21, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==Implications of English words==<br />
I found the words "old people" (I changed it to elderly) and "backwardness" (I changed it to dysfunction) on the main page. These words have negative connotations in English, and might be considered insulting, so I changed them. I understand that not everyone's native language is English, so I won't be offended, but I will continue to make large changes to the language used in the future. Feel free to talk with me if I change something in a way that doesn't seem to represent what you were thinking. [[User:Millerc|millerc]] 16:25, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:Thank you millerc --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:51, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::Thank you from my side, too :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:00, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:::Yes good moves all -- an anonymous troll<br />
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As english is not my mother tongue, I'm no expert. But as an advanced linguist I can tell that, it is vital not to fall in the politically correct way of talking. As long as it doesn't change the meaning of the idea expressed through the words there will be no problem, so be sure to report such a change to Millerc.<br />
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== Namespaces ==<br />
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Should we continue to use titles with language codes like "en" and "de"? I think it would be easier to use the name of the language in parentheses if it is shared by multiple languages, such as [[George W. Bush (English)]] and [[George W. Bush (Espa&ntilde;ol)]]. [[George W. Bush]] would be a disambiguation page if the article existed in multiple languages. Names like [[libertarian socialism]] are unique to their language and are unambiguous, so in that case, the English page would be at that name. <br />
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We should also merge the dictionary with the articles so that the information can be more easily found. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 11:34, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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*It is not so ugly as it is now... We would have more problems with name space if we stay at one Anarchopedia with a lot of languages. However, we need to find a way for simple tranlation from one Anarchopedia to more. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:30, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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I think the different languages should be separated as on Wikipedia. What's the point of linking things on the same site when you can't read the other language? You can have english.anarchopedia.org, deutsch.anarchopedia.org, français.encyclopedia.org, although I don't know if DNS handles cedillas. Whatever - it is too confusing as is. Wikipedia has been successful with its model. Wikipedia has language page links. I don't mind if something different is done, but it should be invisible to the front-end user. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:29, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Also, on Wikipedia, when I go to http://www.wikipedia.org it senses my browser is English and takes me to http://en.wikipedia.org . You could leave www (THIS site), as multi-language and whatever, and make en.wikipedia.org English-only. That might be a good idea. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:31, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*We would use language codes when/if we would have different Anarchopedias (something like eng.anarchopedia.org, esp.anarchopedia.org, fra.anarchopedia.org etc.; I think that three letters code is more equal for all languages; a lot of them doesn't have two letters code because they are not in the group of around 300-400 "bigger" languages; so we should not have problems with non-ASCII characters in DNS). --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 05:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Wikipedia doesn't detect your browser settings. "www.wikipedia.org" is just alias for "en.wikipedia.org", so you are getting redirection; i.e., I have Serbian settings in my browser and I am getting the same: www->en and I have to write sr.wikipedia.org for Serbian Wikipedia. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 05:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Use the exactly same ISO language codes (EN, FR, etc. as wikipedia for now, but the three-letter codes are in fact more equal, as long as they are also standard - are they?) -- an anonymous troll<br />
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== Anarchapedia ==<br />
Is Anarch'''a'''pedia a viable project? It would make more sense for Anarch'''o'''pedia and Anarch'''a'''pedia to be one project. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 01:28, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Activity at AnarchApedia is very low. ... A lot of females say that "everything belongs to men". So, I didn't want to make male-centric project. In this moment we are working on AnarchOpedia and we are talking to other people about it. If some anarcha-feminists would like to work there, we can make some coordination. But, in the moment when there were two edits in one month -- I don't see any kind of good or bad things if AnarchApedia exits. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Or you think that AnarchApedia should be another name for AnarchOpedia? I don't know. Would we become "the same as others" if female project is just nickname for us? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*:We could just invisibly redirect the domain to anarchopedia.org. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 20:01, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*:*Yes, I know what do you want :) Apache should say that one more alias for anarchOpedia.org is anarchApedia.org. But, is it right thing to do? Would we become man-centric? I think the most ethically way is to leave that domain to women even it doesn't have a lot of sense. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::Millosh is correct, leave it to evolve as it will evolve, and leave women in charge of it, period. -- anonymous trolls<br />
*I don't get it. We shouldn't be seperating ourselves more than necessary, language made sense, cause it was practical, but gender? That makes no sense. As Anarchists, we're all feminists are we not? Furthermore, men have alot to learn from our companeras, so why would we divide? This way, when we do things that are a little "man-centric", we have companeras involved who would give us some righteous rage! If necessary, I say we have an invisible redirect from AnarchOpedia, to AnarchApedia, and just merge our projects there :D--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 03:59, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::Correct, you "don't get it": *YOU* don't get to define "We". No, not all anarhcists are feminists, and it's not up to you to decide what women will put up with. When there are enough women involved, they might decide to temporarily redirect invisibly, but they could retain the right to split - an anonymous troll<br />
**Yes, (almost) all of us agree with principles of anarcha-feminism. But, feminists (sometime) like to work only with women, not with men. And we are men :) (as I think). ... Some time ago, I sent an email to Kate from [http://www.anarcha.org Anarcha]. She didn't say anything until today. I told to her today that I want to give domain anarchapedia.(org|net|info) (other domains doesn't exist; this opens another question: I would not like to see .com or .biz domain for anarchopedia; should we/I buy it and leave it without anything or not?) to her or them. It is not our business :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:29, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes buy it and hold it for them. If it's exploited for porn, project over. And if women are associated with any URL, it will be exploited for porn. A lot of people just go to the .com first with [[direct navigation]], i.e. [[typein]]s of the assumed domain name.<br />
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''feminists (sometime) like to work only with women, not with men. '' - Very true, but this is in fact a general issue which is not specific to feminists -- see [[Anarchopedia:en:Faction]]. Anarchopedia namespace pages suggests that this is a progressive project, and as we know, progressives are divided into factions and lesser inclinations sometimes called a tendency, and while they may be aligned on short term goals, may often support quite different ideology or political party options.<br />
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There must be a way to ask the Marxists themselves to review and critique Marxist POVs without having them all hacked up and mixed up with animal rights POVs too soon, before they are clearly stated, and without having to ask oh say "royal libertarians" on the Wikipedia mailing list to judge their validity.<br />
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:::Yes there is: that is why "Reds" and "Golds" are different factions:<br />
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[[User:Lance Murdoch]] said that "[[Indymedia]] began very open, and then decided to finally stop authoritarian right-wing people from disrupting the site", but we might want to find some fairer way to draw a stop to Wikipedia-style attrition wars of exclusion. By supporting variants like [[Anarchopedia:Reds]] and [[Anarchopedia:Golds]] that may actually hate each other, we hope to create understanding. That might not work, but, it's a worthy experiment. Eventually we all need to get by on one planet. So why not get by with [[Anarchopedia:en:One big wiki|en:One big wiki]], just like the one big union or world government thesis? If it doesn't work, well, something will be learned. [[User:Live and let Troll|Live and let Troll]]<br />
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:::Good plan. But remember that nothing alive has no gender at all, so the division or potential division into separate gendered wikis is a wise one at least in theory. No culture exists on Earth that did not have separated discourses for males and females - though some are losing that distinction now, it is certainly only an experiment, which is by no means guaranteed to be succesful. Best to reserve the right (and domains) to split off female from male discourse in case they turn out to be irreconcilable. - the trolls<br />
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I've redirected the Anarchapedia domain to Anarchopedia. It had been overrun by vandals and had no real contributors. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 20:12, 4 Feb 2005 (CST)<br />
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:::That's because nothing real was ever done with it. Reserve it until there are enough women to form a collective to make a binding decision.<br />
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:::Without a commitment to [[patroll]] anarchapedia, what do you expect?<br />
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== article names, links, English and so forth ==<br />
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One of the things in Wikipedia is ease of use. In Wikipedia you just surround a <nowiki>[[word]]</nowiki> with brackets and it becomes an article. Here you must surround everything with <nowiki>[[en:lots of stuff|lots of stuff]]</nowiki>. Article names on wiki are simple as well.<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini-Huygens is for Cassini-Huygens, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism is for Buddhism. This software wasn't designed to have en: prepended to English pages, and for links be more complex than two brackets on each side. I think if these changes are necessary they should be done on the server side, not the user side. You have to segregate the different languages. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*It seems that we need to vote about that problem. I'll reanarge page [[Anarchopedia:en:name space]] for voting. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:33, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*The consensus seems to be to segregate, how are we going to go about this now? Good thing the decision came with 200 pages, rather than later on in this resources life. That would have been a pain. Is there a way to get a list of all the articles named in the former format so we can figure out what needs to be done and divide up the work?--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 04:03, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
**Yes. You can look at [[Special:Allpages]] (if it is what did you try to find). But, we have some questions to solve (and some work to do) before open Anarchopedia in different languages. Please, see [[Work in progress]] for details. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:19, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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== "Anarcho"-Capitalism ==<br />
I thought we were attempting to be different from wikipedia's self-defeating "NPOV" policies. Under an APOV atmosphere, why are we perpetuating the lie that there is such a thing as "Anarcho"-Capitalism? How are we supposed to be any better than wikipedia if we can't even defend our own movement from being defined into anything anyone wants us to be defined as? This is rediculous--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 20:51, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:This is in section "what we are not", i.e. "what anarchism is not" with rascism, homophobia etc. Also, we can change that article(s) into APOV, but I think that we should write encyclopedia... I.e.: we don't like capitalism but we should write about capitalism from APOV. (Notation is from An Anarchis FAQ with "Anarcho" inside of quotes.) Also, please use [[:eng:]] for articles and talk about articles... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
:::::Please be careful - there is no "APOV", there is perhaps a [[New Troll point of view]] you have not seen before, but no one has the right to decide that someone else "is not an anarchist" therefore something is "not APOV". - the trolls<br />
::The reason I was using this, was mostly just to understand what our general policy should be, cause I've heard mention of having coexisting "anarchopedia reds and anarchopedia golds" and things of the sort. I just wanted to understand what APOV means to us here. Will we be including "Anarcho"-Capitalists in what we consider to be APOV? Since we are at a small level right now, it makes sense to have coherent udnerstanding, rather than just leaving it to each article right now.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 23:31, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::The coherent understanding is formed in the factions "reds" and "golds" and whatever, that is not up to any central committee with a single "we" as you suggest. If you wish to take over one of those factions, do so, but you will not be able to take them ALL over - and that is for a reason. -- trolls<br />
:::Sorry for waiting for answer to your question. The question is complex and I'll try to say my point of view (which is relevant as your point of view is): --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*First of all this is (free) encyclopedia. We should make encyclopedic articles which describes some questions. "Anarcho"-capitalism is one of the encyclopedic articles. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*Anarchopedia is anarchist encyclopedia and encyclopedia for anarchists. I assume that capitalism can exists only inside of state. So, this is not encyclopedia for capitalists which claim that they are anarchists. In this sense, [[Anarchopedia:en:we|we]] are not "anarcho"-capitalists. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::It's good you discuss it that way, but, there are lots of people who want a very small state that is perhaps only the size of a single valley, and they are "anarchists" from the perspective of larger state societies. So I think you may be correct on some very large scale but "[[Anarchopedia:en:we|we]]" in other senses are exactly the same as those people: Commerce and trade will continue and there is always a way of mediating disputes about that, and that is ultimately "the state" whether it carries guns or not. -- trolls<br />
:::*If you want to write some article about national-socialism, you would: (1) explain positions of national-socialists and (2) you would make some anarchist critique of national-socialism. The same situation is for "anarcho"-capitalists: you woudl say what "anarcho"-capitalists claim and you would say why anarchists don't think that "anarcho"-capitalism is anarchism. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*We are anarchists and we don't like to use myths in our discourse. But, anarchists have their myths. We should explain our myths, too. We should give marxist, liberal or other kinds of critique of anarchism and anarchists. (I am proud because I think that all humans are good by nature. Someone thinks that I am stupid if I think something like that.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::::Give them recognition as factions, and the problem will ease, it will be more like a game.<br />
:::*NPOV from Wikipedia is not good solution. The best solution is to say what different sides think about some question. Of course, we can have sections "Anarchist point of view" in all articles. But we should not make cenzorship. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*The idea about coexistention of "golds, reds, greens..." is Troll's idea. They want to make ''one big wiki''. This is OK while users don't start to make articles which says that rascism is good or that exploatation is good that state is good... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::::One could have articles like that but they would be CLEARLY MARKED ONLY FROM ONE FACTION'S VIEW and would largely serve to discredit that faction, as other extreme political views serve to discredit parties and factions in the real world. One must simulate the real world's conflicts. If a view is not widely held in the real world it will have no defending faction. But the view that "the state is good" is held by so many groups you cannot avoid dealing with it. [[We, trolls]], must deal daily with [[sysopism]] which tries to tell us how to express ourselves, or to go away, -- trolls<br />
:::*We should keep in mind that Anarchopedia should be ''test for anarchy'': To explain to us how can we work together even with people which are not explicit anarchists. Because anarchy is not the place where anarchists live, but the place where all humans live. And we should explain why anarchy is better then other social relations. And Anarchopedia is one of the places where we can try to explain this. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::::Correct. And part of that test is to show how differences of view can be dealt with, without forcing everyone to conform to a single arbiter, the state or the sysop. -- trolls<br />
:::I hope I gave to you some explanation :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::It explains a bit, but I think the factons should be something people start and maintain themselves, not something Anarchopedia officially sanctions or builds for people, before they have even signed up. None of the factions have a memebership, let people coalesce on their own and build these factions if they want, not categorize them before they even get here. And I don't think it should be on the main page either.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 17:42, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
:::::No, experience shows that factions need some support or they take ungiven powers as at Wikipedia where sysop factions cooperate to censor, especially the Zionists and American Exceptionalists and Neoliberals, all of whom cooperate to attack articles questioning those views. Political systems didn't take account of parties when they were designe, and look what happened: parties control eveyrthing. The factions must be officially sanctioned only to the degree that they must have a reliable way to say "this faction approves of this version of this article" - and if they are not on the main page they wont be noticed. And if you don't put a scheme on them like colour, on the default obvious political views, you will have ridiculous names chosen for them and no way at all to create a colour referencing scheme to tell what articles are shaded what, what areas are most [[patroll]]ed by the trolls of specific factions. -- trolls<br />
:::::Nothing prevents people starting new factions with names they like better than colours. -- trolls<br />
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== Dictionary ==<br />
I don't know what to do with [[en:dictionary|dictionary]]... Any suggestion? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:33, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:Hi, Millosh, I visit you again! You speek here from me. I don't know the answer for following reason. Last year, you, or an other programmer, did change at different time the presentation of this site. After the "red phase" did beginn, I didn't find access any more to the necessery tools to contribute well on this site (no "navigation" tool, no communications and command lines on top of the site, etc. And I was sorry to must to abandon the beginned work! You will remember, that I did look for help to open an Spanish Main Page. And I did have after that to excuse me for the obtained translation into Spanish that I didn't can write completely on the site of anarchopedia. My friend excuse me; more! My friend did give to me a first class internet site for my activities to permit me to realize a part of my plans with a different way so that I am really very busy now with my own site! I can not continue both at the same time... But the implemented dictionary on anarchopedia is really unique in performance thank the technik of templates. It is really possible with him to build an universal dictionary for an open numero of languages. It would be good to find a successor for this domain. I will look for a such successor in the next time if you can and will wait a few month to decide if you will erase it or not. It works completely different of the dictionary in wikipedia: all languages are completely integrated and equivalent or able to be integrated and chained toghether (only English will be used as the Index; but it would be possible to redefine this point and to choice a neutral language as index without homophones like Esperanto or Ido)! But it would be better to work in the first time as coordinated staff. If 25 people would enter only 2 words each day (email-chain), all the same word for each of the 25 persons, we would have after only one year a dictionary with 730 words in 25 languages and it is really enough for a simple but effektiv discussion (to compare: full Basic English has only 850 words; restricted Basic English as by I. A. Richards has only 500 words)! In the first time, it would be better to work completely synchron through the different languages. After a start phase it would be indifferent! [[User:Oui|Oui]] 00:20, 9 Feb 2005 (CDT)<br />
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== Meta/Eng/Other languages ==<br />
I miss a control for moving easily from one page in the meta or eng to the corresponding page on the other side. Would it be impossible to add a widget (say, under the toolbox) "This page in:" (meta, eng, fra, spa, deu). For easy jumping and editing. ----[[User:atotland|Anni]] 10:54, 5 Jan 2005 (JAP)<br />
:You can add it. But not on Meta for now. We should move all pages from "en:something" to "eng:something" on Meta and then we can use [[en:something]] as link to the English Anarchopedia. However, I can see if it is possible to make other magic abbervations (i.e. eng: instead of en: for shortcuts). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:55, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
::I meant on a more global level, like on wikipedia, where under the toolbox there is another box that lets you jump directly to the corresponding site on the flip side. (I.E. it jumps from say, eng.anarchopedia.org to meta.anarchopedia.org, without changing anything else than the prefix.) I cannot add this, exept on a site per site basis, and I don't feel like doing that. --[[User:atotland|Anni]] 07:30, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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== Administrative-Political Faction Unit ==<br />
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== Vandalism ==<br />
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Since everyone is given admin powers, people are coming in and deleting pages, vandalizing pages and whatnot. I just restored a page I wrote that was deleted. Is there any way to deal with this? Wikipedia has a high bar to become an administrator, Anarchopedia has no bar.<br />
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I think the rule should be as long as you're not an out-and-out vandal, you can be an admin. Maybe people should have to wait a day to become an admin or something? Eventually, everyone has to come to terms with vandalism. Otherwise the community becomes authoritarian - the vandal winds up running the community. Anyhow, this is something to think about. My best idea would be there being a time limit to becoming an admin. A day, a week, whatever. And if someone is making good edits they can get it even quicker. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 19:47, 27 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
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:I disagree. Admin actions are easily undone AFAICT, so there's no reason to restrict them - the latest MediaWiki release could really help here as it makes them MUCH easier to track. IMHO these people should be treated like any other [[vandal]] - if they continue to protect or delete pages w/o giving a reason after being warned, they should be blocked entirely.<br />
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::I think we should wait until MediaWiki 1.5 is released to make any more changes to this. Currently I (or Millosh) have to hard-code every change to the admin powers system, but 1.5 will allow us to more easily edit the settings using the wiki interface. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 13:10, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
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* No user should be given the power to delete an article. This should be a developer only function.<br />
* Blocking is useless on an open system such as a wiki project. Blocking is the process that creates vandals. <br />
I can tell cause I came to wikipedia full of good intents and after being censored through deletion and blocked many times for authoritarian reasons, my good intents were gone. We should avoid here errors that have already been committed.<br />
Remember that the most secured door is the one you can keep fully open. We should go for prevention and information instead of repression.<br />
Anarchy success is based on responsability, and it relies on us to explain this to newcomers and offer them a chance ot understand what anarchy is not (degradations) and what anarchy truly is (freedom to think and act which is no reason to behave as a stoopid idiot).<br />
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==GFDL ?==<br />
It is obvious that GFDL is not appropriate to a wiki project. <br />
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Maybe a copyleft license. It's not as popular as the GNU GPL, but it might work just fine. Anything but GFDL.<br />
:is there some discussions somewhere about that differents licence ? some can be better than others ? what are the good and bad point on each licence (CC, GFDL, copyleft, etc, art..) ? maybe it would be good to talk about that... GFDL seems good, but maybe some others licence can be better too... [[User:Libre|Libre]] 19:23, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==more vandalism==<br />
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English Anarchopedia was vandalized once again. The vandal blocked me, so I can't fix anything he vandalized. Currently the entire front page is messed up.<br />
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Vandals have the ability to come in on day one and block everyone, and delete a bunch of pages. Right now the vandal has complete control of the web site. If you are waiting for the next version of the software to come out to make major changes, why don't you just remove admin powers for all new users, or for all users.<br />
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It's a waste of my time across many months spending hours working on articles here and then have a vandal come along and ruin everything within a few minutes, where I am blocked from editing and my pages are all deleted. <br />
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I complained about this before, and now once again I am blocked and many pages have been deleted. This could all be fixed if admin powers were not granted to new users. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 13:29, 2 Apr 2005 (CST)<br />
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:You can unblock yourself even you are blocked. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:40, 6 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
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You can email me if a user blocks everyone. I can clear all the blocks by a given user with one SQL query. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 07:45, 8 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
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==even more vandalism==<br />
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Someone just went on English Anarchopedia and deleted 25 images. Of course as soon as they show up they are given full admin privileges. Now that these images have been deleted, they can not be undeleted. As I said two months ago, by giving full admin powers to anyone who shows up on this wiki the instant they show up, you have handed this wiki over to vandals. I am getting tired with wasting time dealing with vandals due to the inane policy of handing full admin power to anyone who shows up. I said this two months ago, and I was told there would be changes soon, yet two months have gone by of vandals taking over and destroying the wiki, and things are as before. The solution is quite simple: limit the number of people who have admin powers, no other wikis let any user block and delete at will because they have enough problems with vandals. I was told two months ago to "wait for MediaWiki 1.5". Two months have gone by, MediaWiki 1.5 has yet to be released, and Anarchopedia has been and continues to be ruled by vandals. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 11:28, 2 Jul 2005 (CDT)<br />
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:I added +a attribute on the file system. This means that no one can remove any image. (Until 1.5, you should say here if you want to remove some image.) Sorry for deleted images... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:40, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::The policy is correct and must be maintained at all costs. It is as non-negotiable as [[anonymous edit]]s. Hopefully if it is easily undone then it is going to be a boring target. Tools to quickly undo common types of such [[sysop vandalism]] are what are required, not stupid "limits" on "the number of people who have admin powers". Anyone who says "The solution is quite simple" to a political problem is a fool. Reconsider, Lance Murdoch. -- trolls<br />
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:::I know that building anarchy is not so easy. I'll add some backups for images to prevent mass deletion, too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:57, 6 Jul 2005 (CDT)<br />
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:: I tried re-uploading one of the pictures and got an error message. I'm just letting you know though, I'm not requesting you spend any more time on this prior to 1.5's release. Here is the error:<br />
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:: Could not copy file "/tmp/php5BxuQt" to "/srv/www/virtual/org.anarchopedia/langs/eng/images/temp/1/13/20050705222217!file.jpg [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 22:28, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::: I removed +a attribute until you upload all of your pictures. After that, tell me that you did re-upload of all of them so I can lock deletion again. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:54, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Backups of images are done and it would be working with mysqldumps (every day). So, if there are some kind of mass deletion, I would be possible to recover the situation from the last day. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:10, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we implement a trashcan for pictures? (The function "empty trash" is only available with developer-rights.) -- 16:33, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
[[:fra:User:Blackat|Blackat]] from French Anarchopedia asked me to open forum. I didn't open under anarchopedia.org, but I opened one multilingual forum (phpBB2) on http://forum.anarhija.org/ . If anynone thinks that it is useful, please use it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:22, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Backups==<br />
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It appears the backup system isn't working anymore (on eng: and other anarchopedias). The backup files appear to be truncated. See http://eng.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/ (or http://fra.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/ ... etc.) [[User:e★f|e★f]] 23:26, 23 Feb 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=="Upgrade"==<br />
Recently english Anarchopedia (at possibly this one) has been "upgraded" well, at first i only lost my login name, and had to re-register, then i realised that for some reason all the images that i've uploaded were deleted and upload blocked, now some articles that i am trying to write show up on Recent Edits, but actually don't write to the database propperly, and they don't actually exist. This is '''not''' an upgrade. P.S. Yes i'm very agrivated. Beta_M<br />
:What I know is that there have been problems with anarchopedia's databases for [[meta:]] and [[eng:]]. It looks like [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] is working on these.<br/>On IRC channel "#anarchopedia@irc.freenode.org" I have talked to Guanaco and he said he would enable uploads to [[meta:]] (which he did) and then the images would display on [[eng:]] and other anarchopedias (which doesn't seem to work yet).<br/>I have a local copies of all the images that recently disappeared (the archive is approximately 49 Mb). I could reupload all the images now, but it would be a little pointless since they wouldn't show up at [[eng:]]. I have uploaded the images for the runic alphabet, but now [[eng:rune]] page is inaccessible. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 11:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
::This problem has been fixed. Let me know if anything else comes up. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 19:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Good. I'll be uploading the images then, with caution since database failures keep happening (I have noticed that uploads are sometimes not being reported in the logs, or that article creation fails). To be safe we should be making off-site backups especially of [[meta:]], [[eng:]] and [[fra:]]. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 20:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I have noticed that there are still display problems on eng when the image on meta starts with a lower case letter, eg. [[eng:Image:The Freedom Engine]] is displayed, while [[eng:Image:circle with radius]] is not. Thumbnails on [[eng:]] now seem to work (and we probably have to thank Guanaco for that {{smiley}}). [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 12:20, 2 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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On [[meta:]] and [[eng:]], I have found that pages cannot be created when the "Watch this page" checkbox is activated. Also it is impossible to add pages to the watchlist. This is I think a severe bug, we may lose potential contributors due to it. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 16:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Old articles with en: prefix==<br />
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A number of relatively old articles use the "en:" prefix (like [[:en:power structure]] or [[:En:opposition to authority]]). Unfortunately they are no more accessible since the prefix en: is now used to redirect to english anarchopedia. Is there a way we can recover these articles? ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)</div>
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==the UnWikipedia==<br />
Someone has suggested a wiki or a wiki space *ONLY* for articles deleted from [[Wikipedia]] by [[sysop vandalism]] in particular, or censors in general who want certain topics not to be mentioned or certain bias embedded in every article, e.g. [[mechanistic bias]] or [[authoritarian bias]] which are the natural [[systemic bias]]es of Wikipedia itself because of its authoritarian geeks in charge, most notably the American geeks in Florida who think nothing of rigging elections via Diebold.<br />
:This is a great idea - is it still current? I tried to look up Anarchopedia on Wikipedia, and blow me - it isn't there - it's been deleted, and banned from being re-created. And they say in one of the very very many Wikipedia policies that there's no censorship at Wikipedia. No, of course there isn't! Can we get all material banned from Wikipedia re-created here? [[User:62.254.64.16|62.254.64.16]] 22:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::At least in part, this is possible. There is actually a project related to this: [[eng:Anarchopedia:Wikipedia datadump]]. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:So, do you want something like "unwikipedia.anarchopedia.org"? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 16:23, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::It might be more subversive to call it "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org" - this serves to 1. reinforce the generic use of "a wikipedia" meaning a multi-language whole-corpus [[GFDL corpus access provider]] and fight [[Wikimedia]] on its [[trademark]] [[usurper]] policy, 2. emphasize "a" as in "amoral", "aseptic", etc., meaning "not" or "anti" 3. lay the ground work to shorten both to "apedia" someday if this becomes the premier [[GFDLcap]]!<br />
:::I can make "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org", but it seems that domain "apedia.org" doesn't exist (what do you think about that domain?). Also, do you think that it is better to have awikipedia devided into languages (like en.awikipedia.anarchopedia.org, de.awikipedia.anarchopedia.org)? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:57, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes divide it exactly as wikipedia.org does; it is also reasonable to call it de.npov.anarchopedia.org or something that just ignores the whole question of what portal it was written in and emphasizes its npov - which over time will be [[new troll point of view]] not [[neutral point of view]]i hate thi this is so stupid i am the creator of wikipedia i will hunt you down and tourture you for many years and then you i will wait until you take your own lives goodbye see you soon<br />
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::I don't like this idea. I'm one of the promoters of the Wikipedia datadump and every once in a while go around recovering articles that are about to be deleted from tha horrible place, but this progrect (a-wikipedia) will most likely become place where tons of troll shit and advertisement will be placed. This also creates ton of redundancy, let's say we have Anarchist Anne, where does she go for information? Is it en.fuckwikipedia.anarchopedia.org or just eng.anarchopedia.org? What if there already is an article on eng.anarchopedia.org which is much better than the stuff that gets deleted from WP. And finally, i do see that some articles that get deleted from WP are really garbage. I believe that articles on schools and stuff should be allowed to stay (since people will actually look at them), but there are articles about some celebrity's girlfriend, or just spam that comouflaging itself as "original research" (the original research i think should definitely be preserved). In case if you didn't notice i'm an anti-trollist, i think that trolls are an anti-social element of our community and i will not support them, but i do think that we need to create a common account for Anarchopedia on Wikipedia, and vote '''Anarchowikify''' each time we move the article that will almost surely be removed. This will raise awareness about this place, and will only irritate censors, without causing any nuisance for honest users. [[:eng:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
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===removing ideology===<br />
A preliminary step would be to [[anarchize]] the material in a systemic way to remove these biases and restore the natural human-body-centric view of real humans with real bodies, i.e. [[anarchize:body, cognition and senses]] material instead of following [[Wikipedia]]'s ideal of pure [[ideology]], symbol [[recognition]] and [[operant conditioning]] - the basis of its [[sysop vandalism]]...<br />
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:Hmm we might need to remove some [[trollist]] ideology later too, as this pendulum has swung a certain way out.<br />
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==DemocraticDomain==<br />
Another suggestion is to figure out how all the [[domain name]]s and [[web hosting]] and [[email service]]s of a [[large public wiki]] and its [[wiki management]] can be handled democratically so it is possible to for all users to potentially campaign to be the "domain owner". If only a minimal institution where no one has special priveleges, that is designed to actively prevent a [[command hierarchy]] from existing, that could be close to a real [[anarchization]]. It would be a good prototype for the vanguard [[world trolling anarchization]] to do this to the entire web and disenfranchise anti-democratic "domain owners".<br />
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:I forgot to say something about that. Yes, it is a good idea. But, the only problem is "owner-system" of present world. How can we organize ownership of hosting server and domains? I would like to hear the idea; as well as I would like to implement it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:22, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
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::A [[domain holder]] isn't always the "owner" - in some domains you only are a [[domain lease holder]] and all domains in that TLD are owned. There is no reason to care what [[ICANN]] says. Just set up your own [[personal DNS]] and point all the .whatever to anything you want, or just ignore the . and populate the space with URLs like "en:troll_war" that are one to one correspondence with http://en.anarchopedia.org/wiki/troll_war<br />
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::So, the correct answer is that we never see "http://DOMAIN.TLD" but instead see "LANGUAGE://ARTICLE" and eventually just "LANGUAGE:ARTICLE" just as in an [[interwiki link standard]] - this makes wikis the whole web<br />
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:::I didn't understand this last bit, http is the name of the internet protocol, replacing it with a language code would not work. I like the idea of running a personal DNS with different domain name associations, but how does one convince the DNS servers associated with Internet Providers to refer to our hypotetical servers?<br />
:::One preliminary idea toward the goal of sharing the ownership would be to publish the expenses made or needed to buy the domain and the servers and allow donations (preferably anonymous). Every amount donated should be published (on the wiki or otherwise) to confirm that the donation did really get through, and to determine when the expenses have been covered. [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 22:17, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Others==<br />
*[http://meta.anarchotext.org/ Anarchotext]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchobook.org/ Anarchobook]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchtionary.org/ Anarchtionary]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchoquote.org/ Anarchoquote]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchosource.org/ Anarchosource]<br />
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:I find that project's ideas interesting. I have put some quotes in french on [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Mod%C3%A8le:Citations_anarchistes Citations anarchistes]. i am working on a [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Calendrier Calendrier] to make some ephemerides (daily bleed in english?). For propositions, maybe that would be better ? :<br />
:*[http://text.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchotext]<br />
:*[http://book.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchobook]<br />
:*[http://diktionary.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchtionary]<br />
:*[http://quotes.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchoquote]<br />
:*[http://source.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchosource]<br />
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:*[http://daily.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchodaily]<br />
: [[User:Libre|Libre]] 12:10, 14 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
::i would be interesting that be initialized the '[http://book.anarchopedia.org book.anarchopedia.org]' address... however, like the project can integrate all languages, would it be better to be by eg: 'eng.book.anarchopedia.org' , 'fra.book.anarchopedia.org' , etc... or to put all in the same address and use catégories to organize ? An other thing, if that address/sub-project has to exist, and by the fact of the project, like book are old work/writing, maybe it would be necessary that each book be protected, that all user not be admin (less just suscribes user, not anonyms), or everyone would be ok to make some data for reverts, etc ? how would you want organize that ? [[User:Libre|Libre]] 03:16, 8 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
:::Are you sure that existing wikis are not enough for books, too? We don't need to implement Wikimedia policy here: one site can be used for different purposes: encyclopedia, news, books, etc. However, there are no problems to open book.anarchopedia.org or {eng,fra,deu,...}.book.anarchopedia.org. I just want that we think about possible solutions: there are no a lot of people who use Anarchopedia. If we start to have a lot of different projects, I am not sure that we would go anywhere. For example, you are French speaking and I think that it would be better that you are working on [[:fra:]] and to put books there. I am not sure that any of us can have enough of energy to work good on more then one project. ... I am not against new (sub)domains, I am just wandering do we have enough people for that; or it is better to start all of that at existing language based Anarchopedias and think about new (sub)domains in the future? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:22, 8 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
::::Ok, no problem, It won't be necessary to put an other subdomain, the existent project will be where the books will be integrated. It will be sufficient for now. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 14:47, 8 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
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== HI Here ==<br />
Hi, i'm french, i want to create a forum phpbb for anarchopedia's users (a french or a english forum)<br />
Do yo agree ???<br />
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:Hello, i speak french too ([http://fra.anarchopedia.org *]), i think you can create a phpbb forum, but i think that is not necessary, the discussions can be done on the anarchopedia mediawiki soft. <br />
:fr: Salut, je parle français aussi ([http://fra.anarchopedia.org *]), je pense que tu peux créer un forum phpbb, mais je pense que ce n'est pas nécessaire, du fait que les discussions peuvent se faire sur le mediawiki anarchopedia (c-a-d ici).[[User:Libre|Libre]] 04:11, 14 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
::In general I agree with Libre. I can create phpbb forum if people need it. Some people like to communicate not via wiki, but via forum... I prefer communication via wiki as well as a lot of wiki users. So, the question is what do people think about it? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:11, 16 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
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Hi, It's Blackat (the french), I can creat a forum with a template if we need it. I think people prefer phpbb boards, it's more easy. We will ba able to make debates, anarchy debates or many subjects. --[[User:Blackat|Blackat]].<br />
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:Hi, a forum is certainly good for smalltalk and can complete the discussion-pages of this wiki, but a forum without an active discussion must be dying very soon. This is the difficulty. If we install this forum then in all languages of anarchopedia and I think the forum should have the http-adress forum.anarchopedia.org. <br />
:The adventage of a forum is that more User come in contact with anarchopedia and so anarchopedia could be participate from this. <br />
:What's our task? In Europe for example is Anarchism a word with an insipid smack, You understand? Many people connect this word with chaos and destruction. It's time to show this people the truth. <br />
:*The first step was, that anarchopedia collect Anarchists from all over the world. <br />
:*The next step should be a brainstorming, how we could increase our power. The globalization dictates a reorientation of the anarchist movement. Our goals aren't reachable in a national frame. We must stand together worldwide and we we must think about our relations to other social movements. For this brainstorming can be a forum helpful. <br />
:* The third step (later) is to introduce the people with our ideas and with a vision of a new society. Then we have a little chance to change the world. <br />
:--[[User:X|X]] 12:01, 3 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
::For the first step, an email message (annoucing the project) in all languages on anarchists mailing list (ainfos ?, others... ? ), on anarchists websites known or unknown, and all others forum would be a first point to collect anarchists from all over the world. -> '''having to make/prepare a letter in all languages''' for all anarchists individuals or anarchists organizations, anarchists websites... maybe is it too early for anarchopedia ? [[User:Libre|Libre]] 06:37, 4 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
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: Hi, i think we can try ! [[User:Blackat|Blackat]]<br />
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Hm. I was thinking a lot about forum. And I think it is too complicated for Anarchopedia (another power structure; another questions...). However, if you want to open some forum which is not related to Anarchopedia, I can do that on the server. (In this moment I can offer to you just subdomain of anarhija.org ("anarchy" in Serbian/Croatian). Or if you have some domain, I can host it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:17, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
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Ok, I understand. I may try to create the forum ;)(but not related ton Anarchopédia). I Keep You informed (I take your MSN adress ;)). --[[User:Blackat|Blackat]]<br />
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:Forum is opened and it is not related to Anarchopedia. I announced it on fra: :) Look at http://yaaf.net/ --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:48, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Anarchist Art==<br />
Can we have "Anarchist Art", something like Wikicommons, but more geared towards people actually uploading their own "creations", which can be graffity photos, protest photos, computer graphics, poetry, or whatnot. [[:eng:User:beta_m]]<br />
:I guess the answer was "User this place", so i'm beginning to do just that... q;-) [[:eng:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
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== Polish Anarchopedia ==<br />
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I didn't know, where I must write this text, but I wrote There(if this place is bad, please move this note)<br />
Okey.<br />
I'm admin of polish anarchopedia - http://www.anarchopedia.prv.pl and http://www.wiki.ibw.com.pl<br />
This wiki, is based on free web hosting(dhost.info), and this sever have many limitation and it is very slow.<br />
Project is not big(it is very young), but I think, that will expand/grower and I have a questions for you.<br />
*maybe you can offer hosting for polish anarchopedia ?(something like Spanish anarchopedia but more independent)<br />
*maybe you can add alians for polish anarchopedia(something like: www.pl.anarchopedia.org)?<br />
*maybe you can promotion this wiki ?<br />
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Sorry of English ;) I if you can post replay, please write to this address: prawdapunk@gmail.com | prawdapunk@poczta.onet.pl<br />
Salute Comrades<br />
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:Hello. I configured pol.anarchopedia.org (or pl.anarchopedia.org or www.pl.anarchopedia.org or www.pol.anarchopedia.org). We are using three letter codes as primary language code, but other variants are working, too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Every place is good enough for asking any question because Anarchopedia is not so big :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I am glad to see that someone took the name Anarchopedia, too :) Unlike other GFDL corpus access providers, Anarchopedia is not any kind of trademark etc. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:All language projects of Anarchopedia are independent, so don't worry :) Of course, it is assumed that Anarchopedia is anarchist project (which means that it not support pro-state nor pro-capitalist POVs). Also, all contributors on Anarchopedia are equal. This means that, unlike similar projects, Anarchopedia doesn't have [[power structure]]. Of course, problems with vandals, spammers etc., are completely different story and you can get all necessary help to fight against them. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:You (or anyone else) can add links to Polish Anarchopedia from other Anarchopedias. This is not a problem. (If I understand that you asked about the promotion of Polish Anarchopedia here.) Otherwise, from time to time, someone make some promotion of Anarchopedia. And, of course, Polish Anarchopedia would be mentioned as the part of community. However, we don't have any organized promotion of Anarchopedia. Maybe we should have it? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Make account on [http://pol.anarchopedia.org/ pol.anarchopedia.org] and I'll give to you admin permissions. Tomorrow I'll change configuraiton of Polish Anarchopedia so anyone would have admin permissions and you would have developer permissions. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:BTW, do you know to work on GNU/Linux? If you know, I can give to you a shell account, so you can administrate Polish (and others) Anarchopedias from the shell. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I Sent E-mail for you <br />
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== Indonesian anarchopedia ==<br />
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Hi there, Im new here, but i think it's a great idea to build a new anarchopedia in Indonesian Language, im one of sysop's in [http://www.jakartaresistance.net/librari ArtikelA], a Jakarta Anarchist Resistance project in archiving indonesian language anarchist materials (articles, leaflets, publications, etc) based on MediaWiki soft. [[User:HarisX|HarisX]] 18:25, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I can't read Indonesian, but it looks promising. If you want to make your wiki the meeting point of an anarchist community based on anarchist principles (no power structure, no "bosses"), that would be quite close to what anarchopedias are or aim to be (the main difference being the focus on encyclopedic articles, and the [[GFDL corpus]] thing). [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 22:41, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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[http://ind.anarchopedia.org Indonesian Anarchopedia] is up. Haris, please login there and I will give to you bureaucrat permissions. During the next couple of days, I would implement that all users are admins (as well as on Polish and Russian Anarchopedia). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:51, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, thank you very much --[[User:HarisX|HarisX]] 02:21, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==IRC : irc.freenode.net #anarchopedia ==<br />
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Hello Anarchopedians, an IRC canal is open for anarchopedia, it can be a place to talk about anarchopedia (articles, coordination interlingue, critics, etc) and more on anarchism... The better is using soft to chat as "Xchat" or "Gaim" (and others, but i don't know others...). That canal is not to find friends or ennemies, but it can be too, but it's firstly to talk about anarchism/anarchopedia, sharing knowledge on that philosophy, history, etc. But future of that is each to create. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 14:32, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarchopedia Portuguese ==<br />
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Hi, I'm brazilian, i love all projects of wiki, my english isn't very good, I'm here to ask a anarchopedia portuguese, I don't konow if this is which have to do to have a anarchopedia portuguese.<br />
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-[[User:thiago90ap|thiago90ap]] 04:07, 24 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Hi there, I am not the person in charge of maintaining the anarchopedia websites. Until the site for the portuguese anarchopedia isn't ready, I think you can start writing the pages in this site, then move the pages when the site is ready (I'd help you if I knew portoguese...). [[User:a|Anonymous]] 23:44, 27 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:what happened to the portugesian anarchopedia? --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|blackredisbeautiful]] 06:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Why? Portugese Anarchopedia works. See http://por.anarchopedia.org --[[User:X|X]] 05:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarkopedio en Esperanto ==<br />
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Hi, I do not really speak english, but I will try. How can I make an esperantist version of anarchopedia? It exists already in wikipedia ([http://www.vikipedio.org/ Vikipedio]). I would talk more about esperanto and about this idea, but I am not able to do this in english. thank you... --[[User:Raflins|Homo Ludens]] <br />
:Hi, I think an anarchopedia in esperanto is a great Idea, maybe I can learn some more esperanto than ;-) btw. do you speak any lang. besides esperanto, because I think most of us here do not know so much of it. --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|blackredisbeautiful]] 06:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Besides esperanto, i am an portuguese-speaker and can write in spanish and french... i can read any latin language from france, italy and iberia. thanks --[[User:Raflins|Homo Ludens]]<br />
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Esperanto Anarchopedia exists (http://epo.anarchopedia.org/). If you want Portugese Anarchopedia, I can put it on the net. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 03:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Arabic Anarchopedia==<br />
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Hi All .. it is really amazing Idea .. I,m active sysop in arabic wikipedia and i tried my best to spread the ideas of anarchism in ar,wikipedia ... in spite the anarchism is still weak in the arabic world .. i think we could make good work if we begin building arabic Anarchopedia . Best Regards --[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 13:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Great :) The only problem is spelling of "Anarchopedia" in Arabic. Please, write it here so I can setup the site :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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أنارشوبيديا<br />
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the first line is the spelling Anarchopedia in Arabic , the second line means : Encyclopedia of Anarchism ... so I like it would be putted under the first line in smaller size . That would great . --[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 18:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:[[:ara:|Arabic Anarchopedia]] is up. I didn't put your text inside of parentheses because I am not sure where to put it. But, you can do it where you think that it should stay... Maybe at the place of "A Peoples Encyclopedia" on English Anarchopedia... I hope that I rigtly copied the text of the Anarchopedia's name in Arabic. If I didn't, please tell me that and I'll reinstall Arabic Anarchopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 07:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Greek Anarchopedia==<br />
Some people like to start a greece Anarchopedia. Please install it. --[[User:X|X]] 01:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== New version of Anarchopedia. A lithuanian one. ==<br />
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Hi, me and a couple of other people would like to start a new Anarchopedia - in lithuanian. Frankly, I don't know what else to write (purposes, inspirations? :)), so just give me some reply/directions/etc. :) Thanx.<br />
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:Done. You can start from it's [[:lit:|Pradžia]] :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 00:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Turkish Anarchopedia==<br />
I'm not thinking of writing on my own, I think I'm going to translate :) I have 2-3 friends mentioning that they are going to translate/write on Turkish Anarchopedia too. Thanks :)</div>
Aspam
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=GFDL_corpus_access_provider&diff=17742
GFDL corpus access provider
2007-05-06T07:15:35Z
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<div>A '''GFDL corpus access provider''' or '''GFDLcap''' is a [[web service]] or other [[net media]], or potentially even [[email]] or [[CD-ROM]] distributor, that provides access to a large portion of the [[GFDL corpus]] [[open content]].<br />
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== current options ==<br />
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The best known of these is [[Wikipedia]]. There is often some confusion between that project and the corpus. ''This confusion is not only tolerated but created by its [[sysop power structure]], many of whom are implicated in [[sysop vandalism]]. Wikipedia likes to pretend it is the only such access provider.''<br />
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[[Wikinfo]] and [[Anarchopedia:Itself]] are lesser known '''access provider'''s, in stricter compliance with the GFDL, to the degree that is possible given that it relies on [[XML export]] by [[Wikipedia]] for most content.<br />
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[[Wikinfo]] takes a [[sympathetic point of view]], refusing to mix critical and sympathetic views in an article. ''This is a direct challenge to the [[neutral point of view]] [[wiki ideology]] that is promoted by Wikipedia, since that view gives maximum power to those who claim to be 'neutral' but are in a position of technologically granted power.''<br />
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[[Anarchopedia:Itself|Here at Anarchopedia]] [[Anarchopedia:We|we - whoever that is]] keep the critical and sympathetic views together but do not put a [[sysop power structure]] in charge of editorial decisions like [[deletion policy]] or who is a [[troll]] and what [[alleged or collective identity]] they do and do not share. ''See [[Anarchopedia:troll IP]], [[Anarchopedia:troll ID]] and [[Anarchopedia:faction]] and [[Anarchopedia:tendency]] for more on these questions and how we resolve Wikipedia's many authority and hierarchy problems in a more democratic way.''<br />
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Other corpus access providers focus on particular subsets of the material, and do not have facilities to automatically import via the Wikipedia interface:<br />
*[[Consumerpedia]]<br />
*[[Disinfopedia]]<br />
*[[Consumerium]]<br />
*[[Metaweb]]<br />
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In addition, there are many [[Wikipedia mirror]]s that do not provide edit access but read-only access. These might or might not be considered to be true '''access providers''' but in any case some of them, like [[NationMaster]] have added a lot of information that may be of interest for some purposes.<br />
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== challenges ==<br />
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There are several challenges common to all '''GFDL corpus access provider'''s:<br />
*agreeing on a [[wikitext standard]] and priorities to guide [[wiki code]] changes to accomodate it; ''[[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] are so far the only options.''<br />
*meeting the rigid terms of the [[GFDL]] itself, especially with regard to [[attribution]] and [[source access]], i.e. to the original text written in the [[wikitext standard]], not the [[HTML]] form into which it is rendered for [[printable page|print]]s or presentation.<br />
::lack of [[interwiki identity standard]] makes attribution quite unreliable<br />
::having one [[standard wiki URI]] from which to retrieve the source, that can be easily predicted and made permanent<br />
::[[interwiki link standard]]s so that differently-purposed or POV'd [[large public wiki]]s can link to each other<br />
*resolving [[point of view]] differences, to which there are several approaches:<br />
::[[neutral point of view]] tries to do this always within one article, attributing disputed claims, but of course, a [[systemic bias]] then applies<br />
::[[multiple point of view]] tries to separate views into articles of their own, e.g. as at [[Metaweb]] or via the "faction" system proposed at some wikis<br />
::[[sympathetic point of view]] tries to separate positive and negative views, whatever that means<br />
*dealing with [[server load]], especially for [[full text search]]<br />
*inadequate PHP-based software like [[MediaWiki]] and [[GetWiki]] - a concern [[Metaweb]]'s supporters are paying particular attention to<br />
*compiling and [[collaborative filter]]ing to present adapted articles - a concern [[Consumerium]] takes very seriously<br />
*[[governance]] problems in deal with a very large group of editors, ''see [[rule of 150]] for one possible limit to this''<br />
*Tracking with change to the [[GFDL corpus]] as a whole, so that the best material can be copied into those services interested in presenting it to their users.<br />
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== future integration ==<br />
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There are proposals extant to track all changes to the GFDL corpus in any of the known '''access providers''', and perhaps simplify signup for [[jabber]] or other services that could serve as basis for [[interwiki identity standard]]. Such proposals are simplified by an [[interwiki link standard]] and [[standard wiki URI]], though they are not strictly required simply for tracking.<br />
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There are also proposals to work with [[FSF]] and [[Creative Commons]] much more closely to avoid abuses of the [[GFDL]]'s terms and spirit.<br />
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== External links ==<br />
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* [http://www.gnu.org/encyclopedia/announcement.html Richard Stallman's initial plans for the GFDL corpus]<br />
* [http://www.arena.org.ar/gnupedia-historia.html History of the first GFDLcap, GNUpedia] (Spanish - [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arena.org.ar%2Fgnupedia-historia.html+&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools english translation])<br />
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Probably the best reference on this question is [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/GFDL_corpus_access_provider en: CreativeCommons: GFDL corpus access provider]] since [[Creative Commons]] and their [[Common Content]] initiative and [[CC-by-sa]] license provide a clear alternative to [[GFDL]] and they have a strong motive to work closely with all such access providers to achieve [[dual license]]d GFDL and [[CC-by-sa content]].</div>
Aspam
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:eng:Syndicate&diff=17741
Anarchopedia:eng:Syndicate
2007-05-06T07:15:00Z
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<div>==Technic==<br />
===mysqldump===<br />
Could you kindly do regularly updated [[MySQL dump]]s so what happened at [[Recyclopedia]] doesn't happen again.<br />
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mysqldump --opt -uusername -ppassword databasename cur old > anarchopedia.sql <br />
tar cvzf anarchopedia.tar.gz anarchopedia.sql <br />
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and then just move it into a downloadable location and update the [[MySQL dump]] article. Thanks.<br />
:I'll do that now, but may you explain to me what was the problem? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:20, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:And do you think that it would be usefull to make daily backups of database because of some mysql problem? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:22, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::: I do not know what the problem is but I can guess. Recyclopedia was a wiki that went up that people saw as an alternative to Wikipedia. So they did a lot of edits and work on the site and then *boom*, it went down. It didn't do mysql dumps to an ftp'able directory every week, so when Recyclopedia went down for good, all the work was lost (except for what people saved and Google cache and so forth).<br />
::: [[Wikipedia]] has a policy that it dumps its database twice a week. Of course, Wikipedia does not follow its policy, the last database dump was 8 days ago. Wikipedia (all languages) has a (compressed) 26.8 gig database. To download just English is 13.5 gigs compressed for the old database, plus 384MB compressed of diffs from the previous dump. Your database is not that big so you don't have to worry about all of that - yet. But backups are always good. Once or twice a week should be enough. Compressed and erased after a certain amount of time (perhaps saving one backup once a month or so). [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 08:45, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::: I didn't say (here) that mysqldumps are working every day at 01:00 CDT (I'll change it soon to 01:00 UTC). I know that mysqldumps would not be so often when Anarchopedia becomes large, but we will find some way for backups... (You can see [[MySQL dump]] page for details.) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 12:31, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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===Templates===<br />
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====Templates====<br />
Just rename templates:<br />
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Typical lines are:<br />
<pre><nowiki>| style="border-top:1px solid #000000; font: 125% Verdana; color:white"align="center" bgcolor="#000000"|'''HEADING'''<br />
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{{THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}<br />
<div style="float: right;"><small>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Template:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE|action=edit}} edit]</small></div><br />
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I'll move templates to name space like <nowiki>{{en:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}} of {{localurl:Template:en:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}</nowiki> for english, but use this form for other languages, ie: <nowiki>{{ie:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}} or {{localurl:Template:ie:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}</nowiki>.<br />
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--[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 15:18, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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====Name of templates====<br />
The French and the German pages are now in the new look. I did reserve different traductions where my English is not the best...<br />
Template names: I did prefer to use the same name on English but the introduction with the language signs. For ex. :en:Templates, :de:Templates, :fr:Templates (not :en:Templates, :de:Schablonen, :fr:pochoir). Reasons: It is so better to follow if a page has an absolutely equivalent in de, fr etc. Different internet names have no official equivalent and can be transleted with really very different translations.<br />
--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:49, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==Languages==<br />
Hi I propose you to introduce each titel with a language mark like, for this page: "en:Syndicate" so you don't need to split as in Wikipedia/Wikibooks/Wiktionary and can use the same titel in different languages. If you rename now your 100 existing pages, we can assure so a really better start!<br />
French and German will continue (it is to late for me now in Europe)! Spanish will follow in a few days...<br />
:If you say so, but do you think that linking should be more complicated if you have to write always <nowiki>[[en:Name of the page]]</nowiki>? I said (on the lost Syndicate page) that I'll open Anarchopedias in other languages, of course. Maybe it is better to have modular Anarchopedia... If we have Anarchopedia in different languages, for example, I can move 10% of data to another server or something like that. If we have one large database, I'll (we'll) have to play with some distributed database, with distributed file system etc. If we look at Wikipeda, we can see that all of non-English Wikipedias has around 1.000.000 articles and English Wikipedia has 300.000. It means that we will have to use "non-conventional" solutions three times after we would have to if all articles are in one database. We do not have to hurry (a lot). 100 or 200 articles are reasonable for moving by hand. Do you still think that it is better not to separate different languages Anarchopedias? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 10:19, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::Hi millosh, I personaly would find better to consider that all the contributors are on the same ship. I am really a new user of such open sites for team work but I did have big difficulties at wikipedia with the terrible big amount of help pages. My special problem for example is that I never did learn English. I can understand 80 .. 90 % of the texts or perhaps more. I can write easier, but not correct, as I can read :-) . Especially because I use a computer programme to translate and check the orthography: I write on English where I can and can enter a German word if don't know it on English: It appairs (sometimes, the computer don't all the words) in the window where I am working. But if I search in an help page it is because I have a really difficult problem. For this reason I did have to look for help on the pages of my familiar languages French and German. But in most situations I did find empty links for the difficult pages, for example concerning "templates" etc. The subdivision wikipedia in different wikis make the multilingual user tired. The logins work only within the lingual subdivision. Etc. It is evident by using Wikipedia that we don't live all on the same planet ;-) ! But specialists oft knows more than one language and would appreciate to considerate the community as a global community and continue to write without to change of community and of interlocutors her messages. There are very different possibilities to split a big site if necessary: I would find the "thematics" better because if I am an occasional user of information, I surf on the web and accept to have to relink and login if I will show my identity. If I work as contributor I would find better to occupate me with writing or translating good things as with logins and other difficulies. If the sum of all contributions (also in all languages) about "technology" for example make a problem and is to heavy, you can split the serveur no 1 in two serveurs no. 1 and no. 2 and bring all the thing about technology on the new serveur. The technology specialist stay all together in only one environment and preserve an high efficacity by working. Perhaps it is also a matter of the technic of redirection technical, login and cookies? --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:10, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:::Yes, you are right. (I am in the similar position as you are... I don't need computer translator (and there are no computer translators for Serbian), but I use dictionaries often and my English syntax is terrible :) ). I think that the most important reason is "living on the same planet". I think that that the Main Page in the future should have welcome and links to other languages. Also, I'll try to work on MediaWiki so we can have different localizations at the same engine. So, we can start with moving. I think that we can work like that: "real pages" should be named like "en:Main Page", but we should have redirect from "Main Page" to "en:Main Page". If one word is written the same in some number of languages; for example, if "Proudhon" is written the same in English and in French -- we should have the page "Proudhon" with links to en:Proudhon and fr:Proudhon. Also, with the note that if someone used an internal link, (s)he should change link to the correct page. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:58, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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I think the pages look messy. There's [[En:anarchism]] and [[en:anarchism]] as well as [[anarchism]]. Instead of something simple like [[libertarian socialism]], something like [[en:libertarian socialism|libertarian socialism]] becomes necessary. I perceive this getting messy. Perhaps you should do it the way Wikipedia does it. Otherwise, it should be as invisible to the end-user as Wikipedia (the web server can detect the language from browser settings or something). [[User:68.161.98.133|68.161.98.133]] 21:43, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:It is open problem at Anarchopedia. Please, read [[en:name space]] and talk there. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:35, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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===Contribution to interlingual organization of Anarchopedia===<br />
Main pages for languages should be at the place: <nowiki>[[Anarchopedia:The name of the language]]</nowiki>. Does anyone have better idea? I moved [[Main Page]] to [[Anarchopedia:English]]. For now, [[Anarchopedia:English]] is the main page, but it would not be in the future,.. Also, use [[Anarchopedia:en:Design]] to be envolved in making new design(s) of Anarchopedia. As soon as possible, I'll put somewhere into Anarchopedian wiki CSS code of Anarchopedian current design. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:52, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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===Dictionary, Template:en:Languages===<br />
Where is the template now? (I have no copy because the construction of the dictionary isn't finish). This template is one of the 2 more important pages for the multi-linguage traduction dictionary! --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 05:10, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:Hum! all templates are away. The almost finish dictionary is completly broken. Perhaps my error? --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 05:17, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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===Encyclopedia===<br />
I would propose a new titel "Equiped for the live" (in good English)! --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:36, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:I am working on the New Main Page. My idea is to devide "Anarchopedia" and "Encyclopedia". The part "Anarchopedia" should be encyclopedia of anarchism and "Encyclopedia" (or your term "Equiped for the life"; I think correct is "life", but I don't know if the article "the" is correct ;) ... of "Equiped to live"). What do (all of) you think about that? I'll finish new design today, but, of course, everything can be changed. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:01, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::I did trying following on French (the page is finish; only proofs and timelines did give me problems to understand it): "Knowledge giving a sens/signification/orientation to live"--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 14:22, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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====Gaiagraphy====<br />
The [http://www-2.knu.ac.kr/~geo/professor/Bill%20Hipwell.htm Gaiagraphy] work by [[Special:Contributions/213.54.182.152|213]] is quite interesting, isn't it? Perhaps this should be a broad, popular front wiki for anarchists, socialists, greens and other [[Anarchopedia:Faction]]s to have encyclopedic articles on [[activism]], [[direct action]], [[social change]] and the like? See [http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Lance_Murdoch] for one perspective.<br />
:Yes, it is interesting. I just wandered what is gaiagraphy :) because it is not so usual term. (Even Google doesn't have a lot of articles about gaiagraphy; around 5 to 10.) Maybe it is good idea to explain what is gaiagraphy first. An, of course, I would like that Anarchopedia become not only an encyclopedia of anarchism, but anarchist (activist, greens and others) encyclopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 10:19, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)</nowiki><br />
::Hi Millosh enter "myers norman gaia" into a search motor to find (actually at yahoo) 11000 references on this autor --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:23, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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===Community===<br />
It would be better to use in all pages the same template: In Wikipedia each one have to add new links to other linguage section, to his sections and to other sections that he find interessting. A template makes that alls sections are automaticly present after her first registation on the English master page... Only the titel would differ. Of course languages with different alphabet can choice a different way. I find it is not important to read the name of the different languages in the language what we frequent actually: If one read "magyar", if he speaks hungary, he knows what is magyar and it is enough! The links to the language subdivisions are not for a curiosity. Why this comment? On weekipedia the links to languages need really a lot of place on the main page. And after a time of growing, place problems can appair... --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 14:36, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==POV questions==<br />
What's the POV conventions for anarchopedia? Is it specifically anarchist? How would we guarantee an anarchist POV, and do it in an anarchist manner? [[User:Millerc|millerc]] 00:44, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:I would think that anything between strict NPOV and APOV (anarchist point of view) is ''acceptable''. Since actual NPOV content does not advocate any position, it does not advocate capitalism, statism, etc. However, if someone decided to insert a fascist or other unwelcome point of view, it could be reverted or cleaned up to remove their advocacy, depending on the circumstances. The content would be preserved in the page history. I do not think that we should attempt to hide any factual information; instead, any such arguments should simply be refuted in the text.<br />
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:The way to enforce APOV is through [[meatball:SoftSecurity|SoftSecurity]]. All edits can be reverted or fixed as easily as they were originally made. In extreme circumstances (e.g. a bot designed to enforce a POV), we could use a [[Special:Blockip|block]] to defend the project. Unlike most other wikis, blocks on Anarchopedia are in no way restricted to a certain class of users, so there is no [[en:state|monopoly on the use of force]].<br />
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:I believe that we should be neutral about differences in opinion between actual anarchists. For example, "[[en:violence]]" should not be an essay opposing violence, nor should it state that violence is necessary for change. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 01:25, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Neutrality is an illusion, we should change the concept of Neutral POV to Global POV. The Global POV is the only POV that includes all other POV. Which means it's the only one to includes itself. Global refers to global as in "Think global, act local". It is also known as the Natural POV, but as NPOV (Natural POV) could be easily confused with NPOV (Neutral POV), GPOV should be preferred. Not to mention the curiosity effect that will draw people to read our policy, guidelines and objectives, and that we have to cultivate our differences from other wiki/encyclopedia projects.<br />
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==New look==<br />
The new main page looks good but I don't find the texts... (The same problem as at Wikipedia! What is a template, how does a template work! ;-) to complicate for me I'm sorry...<br />
The second problem is a "negative film" effect on my PC (Windows 98/IE6) in the editing window.<br />
--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 15:14, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
*I am using templates. Look at [[Anarchopedia talk:Interlingue]] where I explained how to make the main page. You can edit template by clicking on "edit" in the bottom of the cell and you can see there how to do that. If you need some more informations, be free to ask. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 15:21, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==Implications of English words==<br />
I found the words "old people" (I changed it to elderly) and "backwardness" (I changed it to dysfunction) on the main page. These words have negative connotations in English, and might be considered insulting, so I changed them. I understand that not everyone's native language is English, so I won't be offended, but I will continue to make large changes to the language used in the future. Feel free to talk with me if I change something in a way that doesn't seem to represent what you were thinking. [[User:Millerc|millerc]] 16:25, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:Thank you millerc --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:51, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::Thank you from my side, too :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:00, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:::Yes good moves all -- an anonymous troll<br />
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As english is not my mother tongue, I'm no expert. But as an advanced linguist I can tell that, it is vital not to fall in the politically correct way of talking. As long as it doesn't change the meaning of the idea expressed through the words there will be no problem, so be sure to report such a change to Millerc.<br />
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== Namespaces ==<br />
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Should we continue to use titles with language codes like "en" and "de"? I think it would be easier to use the name of the language in parentheses if it is shared by multiple languages, such as [[George W. Bush (English)]] and [[George W. Bush (Espa&ntilde;ol)]]. [[George W. Bush]] would be a disambiguation page if the article existed in multiple languages. Names like [[libertarian socialism]] are unique to their language and are unambiguous, so in that case, the English page would be at that name. <br />
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We should also merge the dictionary with the articles so that the information can be more easily found. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 11:34, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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*It is not so ugly as it is now... We would have more problems with name space if we stay at one Anarchopedia with a lot of languages. However, we need to find a way for simple tranlation from one Anarchopedia to more. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:30, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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I think the different languages should be separated as on Wikipedia. What's the point of linking things on the same site when you can't read the other language? You can have english.anarchopedia.org, deutsch.anarchopedia.org, français.encyclopedia.org, although I don't know if DNS handles cedillas. Whatever - it is too confusing as is. Wikipedia has been successful with its model. Wikipedia has language page links. I don't mind if something different is done, but it should be invisible to the front-end user. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:29, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Also, on Wikipedia, when I go to http://www.wikipedia.org it senses my browser is English and takes me to http://en.wikipedia.org . You could leave www (THIS site), as multi-language and whatever, and make en.wikipedia.org English-only. That might be a good idea. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:31, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*We would use language codes when/if we would have different Anarchopedias (something like eng.anarchopedia.org, esp.anarchopedia.org, fra.anarchopedia.org etc.; I think that three letters code is more equal for all languages; a lot of them doesn't have two letters code because they are not in the group of around 300-400 "bigger" languages; so we should not have problems with non-ASCII characters in DNS). --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 05:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Wikipedia doesn't detect your browser settings. "www.wikipedia.org" is just alias for "en.wikipedia.org", so you are getting redirection; i.e., I have Serbian settings in my browser and I am getting the same: www->en and I have to write sr.wikipedia.org for Serbian Wikipedia. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 05:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Use the exactly same ISO language codes (EN, FR, etc. as wikipedia for now, but the three-letter codes are in fact more equal, as long as they are also standard - are they?) -- an anonymous troll<br />
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== Anarchapedia ==<br />
Is Anarch'''a'''pedia a viable project? It would make more sense for Anarch'''o'''pedia and Anarch'''a'''pedia to be one project. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 01:28, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Activity at AnarchApedia is very low. ... A lot of females say that "everything belongs to men". So, I didn't want to make male-centric project. In this moment we are working on AnarchOpedia and we are talking to other people about it. If some anarcha-feminists would like to work there, we can make some coordination. But, in the moment when there were two edits in one month -- I don't see any kind of good or bad things if AnarchApedia exits. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Or you think that AnarchApedia should be another name for AnarchOpedia? I don't know. Would we become "the same as others" if female project is just nickname for us? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*:We could just invisibly redirect the domain to anarchopedia.org. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 20:01, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*:*Yes, I know what do you want :) Apache should say that one more alias for anarchOpedia.org is anarchApedia.org. But, is it right thing to do? Would we become man-centric? I think the most ethically way is to leave that domain to women even it doesn't have a lot of sense. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::Millosh is correct, leave it to evolve as it will evolve, and leave women in charge of it, period. -- anonymous trolls<br />
*I don't get it. We shouldn't be seperating ourselves more than necessary, language made sense, cause it was practical, but gender? That makes no sense. As Anarchists, we're all feminists are we not? Furthermore, men have alot to learn from our companeras, so why would we divide? This way, when we do things that are a little "man-centric", we have companeras involved who would give us some righteous rage! If necessary, I say we have an invisible redirect from AnarchOpedia, to AnarchApedia, and just merge our projects there :D--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 03:59, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::Correct, you "don't get it": *YOU* don't get to define "We". No, not all anarhcists are feminists, and it's not up to you to decide what women will put up with. When there are enough women involved, they might decide to temporarily redirect invisibly, but they could retain the right to split - an anonymous troll<br />
**Yes, (almost) all of us agree with principles of anarcha-feminism. But, feminists (sometime) like to work only with women, not with men. And we are men :) (as I think). ... Some time ago, I sent an email to Kate from [http://www.anarcha.org Anarcha]. She didn't say anything until today. I told to her today that I want to give domain anarchapedia.(org|net|info) (other domains doesn't exist; this opens another question: I would not like to see .com or .biz domain for anarchopedia; should we/I buy it and leave it without anything or not?) to her or them. It is not our business :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:29, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes buy it and hold it for them. If it's exploited for porn, project over. And if women are associated with any URL, it will be exploited for porn. A lot of people just go to the .com first with [[direct navigation]], i.e. [[typein]]s of the assumed domain name.<br />
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''feminists (sometime) like to work only with women, not with men. '' - Very true, but this is in fact a general issue which is not specific to feminists -- see [[Anarchopedia:en:Faction]]. Anarchopedia namespace pages suggests that this is a progressive project, and as we know, progressives are divided into factions and lesser inclinations sometimes called a tendency, and while they may be aligned on short term goals, may often support quite different ideology or political party options.<br />
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There must be a way to ask the Marxists themselves to review and critique Marxist POVs without having them all hacked up and mixed up with animal rights POVs too soon, before they are clearly stated, and without having to ask oh say "royal libertarians" on the Wikipedia mailing list to judge their validity.<br />
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:::Yes there is: that is why "Reds" and "Golds" are different factions:<br />
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[[User:Lance Murdoch]] said that "[[Indymedia]] began very open, and then decided to finally stop authoritarian right-wing people from disrupting the site", but we might want to find some fairer way to draw a stop to Wikipedia-style attrition wars of exclusion. By supporting variants like [[Anarchopedia:Reds]] and [[Anarchopedia:Golds]] that may actually hate each other, we hope to create understanding. That might not work, but, it's a worthy experiment. Eventually we all need to get by on one planet. So why not get by with [[Anarchopedia:en:One big wiki|en:One big wiki]], just like the one big union or world government thesis? If it doesn't work, well, something will be learned. [[User:Live and let Troll|Live and let Troll]]<br />
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:::Good plan. But remember that nothing alive has no gender at all, so the division or potential division into separate gendered wikis is a wise one at least in theory. No culture exists on Earth that did not have separated discourses for males and females - though some are losing that distinction now, it is certainly only an experiment, which is by no means guaranteed to be succesful. Best to reserve the right (and domains) to split off female from male discourse in case they turn out to be irreconcilable. - the trolls<br />
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I've redirected the Anarchapedia domain to Anarchopedia. It had been overrun by vandals and had no real contributors. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 20:12, 4 Feb 2005 (CST)<br />
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:::That's because nothing real was ever done with it. Reserve it until there are enough women to form a collective to make a binding decision.<br />
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:::Without a commitment to [[patroll]] anarchapedia, what do you expect?<br />
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== article names, links, English and so forth ==<br />
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One of the things in Wikipedia is ease of use. In Wikipedia you just surround a <nowiki>[[word]]</nowiki> with brackets and it becomes an article. Here you must surround everything with <nowiki>[[en:lots of stuff|lots of stuff]]</nowiki>. Article names on wiki are simple as well.<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini-Huygens is for Cassini-Huygens, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism is for Buddhism. This software wasn't designed to have en: prepended to English pages, and for links be more complex than two brackets on each side. I think if these changes are necessary they should be done on the server side, not the user side. You have to segregate the different languages. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*It seems that we need to vote about that problem. I'll reanarge page [[Anarchopedia:en:name space]] for voting. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:33, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*The consensus seems to be to segregate, how are we going to go about this now? Good thing the decision came with 200 pages, rather than later on in this resources life. That would have been a pain. Is there a way to get a list of all the articles named in the former format so we can figure out what needs to be done and divide up the work?--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 04:03, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
**Yes. You can look at [[Special:Allpages]] (if it is what did you try to find). But, we have some questions to solve (and some work to do) before open Anarchopedia in different languages. Please, see [[Work in progress]] for details. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:19, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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== "Anarcho"-Capitalism ==<br />
I thought we were attempting to be different from wikipedia's self-defeating "NPOV" policies. Under an APOV atmosphere, why are we perpetuating the lie that there is such a thing as "Anarcho"-Capitalism? How are we supposed to be any better than wikipedia if we can't even defend our own movement from being defined into anything anyone wants us to be defined as? This is rediculous--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 20:51, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:This is in section "what we are not", i.e. "what anarchism is not" with rascism, homophobia etc. Also, we can change that article(s) into APOV, but I think that we should write encyclopedia... I.e.: we don't like capitalism but we should write about capitalism from APOV. (Notation is from An Anarchis FAQ with "Anarcho" inside of quotes.) Also, please use [[:eng:]] for articles and talk about articles... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
:::::Please be careful - there is no "APOV", there is perhaps a [[New Troll point of view]] you have not seen before, but no one has the right to decide that someone else "is not an anarchist" therefore something is "not APOV". - the trolls<br />
::The reason I was using this, was mostly just to understand what our general policy should be, cause I've heard mention of having coexisting "anarchopedia reds and anarchopedia golds" and things of the sort. I just wanted to understand what APOV means to us here. Will we be including "Anarcho"-Capitalists in what we consider to be APOV? Since we are at a small level right now, it makes sense to have coherent udnerstanding, rather than just leaving it to each article right now.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 23:31, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::The coherent understanding is formed in the factions "reds" and "golds" and whatever, that is not up to any central committee with a single "we" as you suggest. If you wish to take over one of those factions, do so, but you will not be able to take them ALL over - and that is for a reason. -- trolls<br />
:::Sorry for waiting for answer to your question. The question is complex and I'll try to say my point of view (which is relevant as your point of view is): --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*First of all this is (free) encyclopedia. We should make encyclopedic articles which describes some questions. "Anarcho"-capitalism is one of the encyclopedic articles. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*Anarchopedia is anarchist encyclopedia and encyclopedia for anarchists. I assume that capitalism can exists only inside of state. So, this is not encyclopedia for capitalists which claim that they are anarchists. In this sense, [[Anarchopedia:en:we|we]] are not "anarcho"-capitalists. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::It's good you discuss it that way, but, there are lots of people who want a very small state that is perhaps only the size of a single valley, and they are "anarchists" from the perspective of larger state societies. So I think you may be correct on some very large scale but "[[Anarchopedia:en:we|we]]" in other senses are exactly the same as those people: Commerce and trade will continue and there is always a way of mediating disputes about that, and that is ultimately "the state" whether it carries guns or not. -- trolls<br />
:::*If you want to write some article about national-socialism, you would: (1) explain positions of national-socialists and (2) you would make some anarchist critique of national-socialism. The same situation is for "anarcho"-capitalists: you woudl say what "anarcho"-capitalists claim and you would say why anarchists don't think that "anarcho"-capitalism is anarchism. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*We are anarchists and we don't like to use myths in our discourse. But, anarchists have their myths. We should explain our myths, too. We should give marxist, liberal or other kinds of critique of anarchism and anarchists. (I am proud because I think that all humans are good by nature. Someone thinks that I am stupid if I think something like that.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::::Give them recognition as factions, and the problem will ease, it will be more like a game.<br />
:::*NPOV from Wikipedia is not good solution. The best solution is to say what different sides think about some question. Of course, we can have sections "Anarchist point of view" in all articles. But we should not make cenzorship. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*The idea about coexistention of "golds, reds, greens..." is Troll's idea. They want to make ''one big wiki''. This is OK while users don't start to make articles which says that rascism is good or that exploatation is good that state is good... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::::One could have articles like that but they would be CLEARLY MARKED ONLY FROM ONE FACTION'S VIEW and would largely serve to discredit that faction, as other extreme political views serve to discredit parties and factions in the real world. One must simulate the real world's conflicts. If a view is not widely held in the real world it will have no defending faction. But the view that "the state is good" is held by so many groups you cannot avoid dealing with it. [[We, trolls]], must deal daily with [[sysopism]] which tries to tell us how to express ourselves, or to go away, -- trolls<br />
:::*We should keep in mind that Anarchopedia should be ''test for anarchy'': To explain to us how can we work together even with people which are not explicit anarchists. Because anarchy is not the place where anarchists live, but the place where all humans live. And we should explain why anarchy is better then other social relations. And Anarchopedia is one of the places where we can try to explain this. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::::Correct. And part of that test is to show how differences of view can be dealt with, without forcing everyone to conform to a single arbiter, the state or the sysop. -- trolls<br />
:::I hope I gave to you some explanation :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::It explains a bit, but I think the factons should be something people start and maintain themselves, not something Anarchopedia officially sanctions or builds for people, before they have even signed up. None of the factions have a memebership, let people coalesce on their own and build these factions if they want, not categorize them before they even get here. And I don't think it should be on the main page either.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 17:42, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
:::::No, experience shows that factions need some support or they take ungiven powers as at Wikipedia where sysop factions cooperate to censor, especially the Zionists and American Exceptionalists and Neoliberals, all of whom cooperate to attack articles questioning those views. Political systems didn't take account of parties when they were designe, and look what happened: parties control eveyrthing. The factions must be officially sanctioned only to the degree that they must have a reliable way to say "this faction approves of this version of this article" - and if they are not on the main page they wont be noticed. And if you don't put a scheme on them like colour, on the default obvious political views, you will have ridiculous names chosen for them and no way at all to create a colour referencing scheme to tell what articles are shaded what, what areas are most [[patroll]]ed by the trolls of specific factions. -- trolls<br />
:::::Nothing prevents people starting new factions with names they like better than colours. -- trolls<br />
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== Dictionary ==<br />
I don't know what to do with [[en:dictionary|dictionary]]... Any suggestion? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:33, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:Hi, Millosh, I visit you again! You speek here from me. I don't know the answer for following reason. Last year, you, or an other programmer, did change at different time the presentation of this site. After the "red phase" did beginn, I didn't find access any more to the necessery tools to contribute well on this site (no "navigation" tool, no communications and command lines on top of the site, etc. And I was sorry to must to abandon the beginned work! You will remember, that I did look for help to open an Spanish Main Page. And I did have after that to excuse me for the obtained translation into Spanish that I didn't can write completely on the site of anarchopedia. My friend excuse me; more! My friend did give to me a first class internet site for my activities to permit me to realize a part of my plans with a different way so that I am really very busy now with my own site! I can not continue both at the same time... But the implemented dictionary on anarchopedia is really unique in performance thank the technik of templates. It is really possible with him to build an universal dictionary for an open numero of languages. It would be good to find a successor for this domain. I will look for a such successor in the next time if you can and will wait a few month to decide if you will erase it or not. It works completely different of the dictionary in wikipedia: all languages are completely integrated and equivalent or able to be integrated and chained toghether (only English will be used as the Index; but it would be possible to redefine this point and to choice a neutral language as index without homophones like Esperanto or Ido)! But it would be better to work in the first time as coordinated staff. If 25 people would enter only 2 words each day (email-chain), all the same word for each of the 25 persons, we would have after only one year a dictionary with 730 words in 25 languages and it is really enough for a simple but effektiv discussion (to compare: full Basic English has only 850 words; restricted Basic English as by I. A. Richards has only 500 words)! In the first time, it would be better to work completely synchron through the different languages. After a start phase it would be indifferent! [[User:Oui|Oui]] 00:20, 9 Feb 2005 (CDT)<br />
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== Meta/Eng/Other languages ==<br />
I miss a control for moving easily from one page in the meta or eng to the corresponding page on the other side. Would it be impossible to add a widget (say, under the toolbox) "This page in:" (meta, eng, fra, spa, deu). For easy jumping and editing. ----[[User:atotland|Anni]] 10:54, 5 Jan 2005 (JAP)<br />
:You can add it. But not on Meta for now. We should move all pages from "en:something" to "eng:something" on Meta and then we can use [[en:something]] as link to the English Anarchopedia. However, I can see if it is possible to make other magic abbervations (i.e. eng: instead of en: for shortcuts). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:55, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
::I meant on a more global level, like on wikipedia, where under the toolbox there is another box that lets you jump directly to the corresponding site on the flip side. (I.E. it jumps from say, eng.anarchopedia.org to meta.anarchopedia.org, without changing anything else than the prefix.) I cannot add this, exept on a site per site basis, and I don't feel like doing that. --[[User:atotland|Anni]] 07:30, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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== Administrative-Political Faction Unit ==<br />
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== Vandalism ==<br />
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Since everyone is given admin powers, people are coming in and deleting pages, vandalizing pages and whatnot. I just restored a page I wrote that was deleted. Is there any way to deal with this? Wikipedia has a high bar to become an administrator, Anarchopedia has no bar.<br />
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I think the rule should be as long as you're not an out-and-out vandal, you can be an admin. Maybe people should have to wait a day to become an admin or something? Eventually, everyone has to come to terms with vandalism. Otherwise the community becomes authoritarian - the vandal winds up running the community. Anyhow, this is something to think about. My best idea would be there being a time limit to becoming an admin. A day, a week, whatever. And if someone is making good edits they can get it even quicker. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 19:47, 27 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
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:I disagree. Admin actions are easily undone AFAICT, so there's no reason to restrict them - the latest MediaWiki release could really help here as it makes them MUCH easier to track. IMHO these people should be treated like any other [[vandal]] - if they continue to protect or delete pages w/o giving a reason after being warned, they should be blocked entirely.<br />
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::I think we should wait until MediaWiki 1.5 is released to make any more changes to this. Currently I (or Millosh) have to hard-code every change to the admin powers system, but 1.5 will allow us to more easily edit the settings using the wiki interface. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 13:10, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
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* No user should be given the power to delete an article. This should be a developer only function.<br />
* Blocking is useless on an open system such as a wiki project. Blocking is the process that creates vandals. <br />
I can tell cause I came to wikipedia full of good intents and after being censored through deletion and blocked many times for authoritarian reasons, my good intents were gone. We should avoid here errors that have already been committed.<br />
Remember that the most secured door is the one you can keep fully open. We should go for prevention and information instead of repression.<br />
Anarchy success is based on responsability, and it relies on us to explain this to newcomers and offer them a chance ot understand what anarchy is not (degradations) and what anarchy truly is (freedom to think and act which is no reason to behave as a stoopid idiot).<br />
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==GFDL ?==<br />
It is obvious that GFDL is not appropriate to a wiki project. <br />
Should be replaced by GNU GPL or a Creative Common Licence.<br />
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Maybe a copyleft license. It's not as popular as the GNU GPL, but it might work just fine. Anything but GFDL.<br />
:is there some discussions somewhere about that differents licence ? some can be better than others ? what are the good and bad point on each licence (CC, GFDL, copyleft, etc, art..) ? maybe it would be good to talk about that... GFDL seems good, but maybe some others licence can be better too... [[User:Libre|Libre]] 19:23, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==more vandalism==<br />
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English Anarchopedia was vandalized once again. The vandal blocked me, so I can't fix anything he vandalized. Currently the entire front page is messed up.<br />
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Vandals have the ability to come in on day one and block everyone, and delete a bunch of pages. Right now the vandal has complete control of the web site. If you are waiting for the next version of the software to come out to make major changes, why don't you just remove admin powers for all new users, or for all users.<br />
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It's a waste of my time across many months spending hours working on articles here and then have a vandal come along and ruin everything within a few minutes, where I am blocked from editing and my pages are all deleted. <br />
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I complained about this before, and now once again I am blocked and many pages have been deleted. This could all be fixed if admin powers were not granted to new users. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 13:29, 2 Apr 2005 (CST)<br />
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:You can unblock yourself even you are blocked. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:40, 6 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
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You can email me if a user blocks everyone. I can clear all the blocks by a given user with one SQL query. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 07:45, 8 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
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==even more vandalism==<br />
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Someone just went on English Anarchopedia and deleted 25 images. Of course as soon as they show up they are given full admin privileges. Now that these images have been deleted, they can not be undeleted. As I said two months ago, by giving full admin powers to anyone who shows up on this wiki the instant they show up, you have handed this wiki over to vandals. I am getting tired with wasting time dealing with vandals due to the inane policy of handing full admin power to anyone who shows up. I said this two months ago, and I was told there would be changes soon, yet two months have gone by of vandals taking over and destroying the wiki, and things are as before. The solution is quite simple: limit the number of people who have admin powers, no other wikis let any user block and delete at will because they have enough problems with vandals. I was told two months ago to "wait for MediaWiki 1.5". Two months have gone by, MediaWiki 1.5 has yet to be released, and Anarchopedia has been and continues to be ruled by vandals. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 11:28, 2 Jul 2005 (CDT)<br />
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:I added +a attribute on the file system. This means that no one can remove any image. (Until 1.5, you should say here if you want to remove some image.) Sorry for deleted images... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:40, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::The policy is correct and must be maintained at all costs. It is as non-negotiable as [[anonymous edit]]s. Hopefully if it is easily undone then it is going to be a boring target. Tools to quickly undo common types of such [[sysop vandalism]] are what are required, not stupid "limits" on "the number of people who have admin powers". Anyone who says "The solution is quite simple" to a political problem is a fool. Reconsider, Lance Murdoch. -- trolls<br />
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:::I know that building anarchy is not so easy. I'll add some backups for images to prevent mass deletion, too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:57, 6 Jul 2005 (CDT)<br />
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:: I tried re-uploading one of the pictures and got an error message. I'm just letting you know though, I'm not requesting you spend any more time on this prior to 1.5's release. Here is the error:<br />
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:: Could not copy file "/tmp/php5BxuQt" to "/srv/www/virtual/org.anarchopedia/langs/eng/images/temp/1/13/20050705222217!file.jpg [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 22:28, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::: I removed +a attribute until you upload all of your pictures. After that, tell me that you did re-upload of all of them so I can lock deletion again. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:54, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Backups of images are done and it would be working with mysqldumps (every day). So, if there are some kind of mass deletion, I would be possible to recover the situation from the last day. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:10, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we implement a trashcan for pictures? (The function "empty trash" is only available with developer-rights.) -- 16:33, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
[[:fra:User:Blackat|Blackat]] from French Anarchopedia asked me to open forum. I didn't open under anarchopedia.org, but I opened one multilingual forum (phpBB2) on http://forum.anarhija.org/ . If anynone thinks that it is useful, please use it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:22, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Backups==<br />
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It appears the backup system isn't working anymore (on eng: and other anarchopedias). The backup files appear to be truncated. See http://eng.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/ (or http://fra.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/ ... etc.) [[User:e★f|e★f]] 23:26, 23 Feb 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=="Upgrade"==<br />
Recently english Anarchopedia (at possibly this one) has been "upgraded" well, at first i only lost my login name, and had to re-register, then i realised that for some reason all the images that i've uploaded were deleted and upload blocked, now some articles that i am trying to write show up on Recent Edits, but actually don't write to the database propperly, and they don't actually exist. This is '''not''' an upgrade. P.S. Yes i'm very agrivated. Beta_M<br />
:What I know is that there have been problems with anarchopedia's databases for [[meta:]] and [[eng:]]. It looks like [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] is working on these.<br/>On IRC channel "#anarchopedia@irc.freenode.org" I have talked to Guanaco and he said he would enable uploads to [[meta:]] (which he did) and then the images would display on [[eng:]] and other anarchopedias (which doesn't seem to work yet).<br/>I have a local copies of all the images that recently disappeared (the archive is approximately 49 Mb). I could reupload all the images now, but it would be a little pointless since they wouldn't show up at [[eng:]]. I have uploaded the images for the runic alphabet, but now [[eng:rune]] page is inaccessible. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 11:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
::This problem has been fixed. Let me know if anything else comes up. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 19:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Good. I'll be uploading the images then, with caution since database failures keep happening (I have noticed that uploads are sometimes not being reported in the logs, or that article creation fails). To be safe we should be making off-site backups especially of [[meta:]], [[eng:]] and [[fra:]]. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 20:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I have noticed that there are still display problems on eng when the image on meta starts with a lower case letter, eg. [[eng:Image:The Freedom Engine]] is displayed, while [[eng:Image:circle with radius]] is not. Thumbnails on [[eng:]] now seem to work (and we probably have to thank Guanaco for that {{smiley}}). [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 12:20, 2 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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On [[meta:]] and [[eng:]], I have found that pages cannot be created when the "Watch this page" checkbox is activated. Also it is impossible to add pages to the watchlist. This is I think a severe bug, we may lose potential contributors due to it. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 16:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Old articles with en: prefix==<br />
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A number of relatively old articles use the "en:" prefix (like [[:en:power structure]] or [[:En:opposition to authority]]). Unfortunately they are no more accessible since the prefix en: is now used to redirect to english anarchopedia. Is there a way we can recover these articles? ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia_talk:Site_support&diff=17736
Anarchopedia talk:Site support
2007-05-05T08:00:35Z
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<div>The page it links to is in french so I cann`t understand a word, can someone creat a multilingual link or something? --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|Blackredisbeautiful]] 17:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I found that I can't send money via PayPal... Hm. I'll find some way to do so. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 11:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::BRiB, just log in www.paypal.com and then clic the paiement button : fill donate@anarchopedia.org and the others stuff and that's all. it's true that the link is in french, i don't know if someone can change the link... --doud<br />
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The link is now in english language :) [[User:Libre|Libre]] 18:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:The problem is that I can't make donation if I am from Serbia... And I am wandering about it just because I made a donation to Mutualaid six-nine months ago via Paypal. I am still checking. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
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Version of the page by [[User:Imatroll]]:<br />
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Please don't offend us by providing us with money, the food of the capitalist pig.<br />
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== site support in all languages ==<br />
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i ve putted a template "langs" for that peoples see the article in their language, if it exists... maybe some others languages are to be translated. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=GFDL_corpus_access_provider&diff=17735
GFDL corpus access provider
2007-05-05T07:59:30Z
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<div>A '''GFDL corpus access provider''' or '''GFDLcap''' is a [[web service]] or other [[net media]], or potentially even [[email]] or [[CD-ROM]] distributor, that provides access to a large portion of the [[GFDL corpus]] [[open content]].<br />
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== current options ==<br />
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The best known of these is [[Wikipedia]]. There is often some confusion between that project and the corpus. ''This confusion is not only tolerated but created by its [[sysop power structure]], many of whom are implicated in [[sysop vandalism]]. Wikipedia likes to pretend it is the only such access provider.''<br />
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[[Wikinfo]] and [[Anarchopedia:Itself]] are lesser known '''access provider'''s, in stricter compliance with the GFDL, to the degree that is possible given that it relies on [[XML export]] by [[Wikipedia]] for most content.<br />
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[[Wikinfo]] takes a [[sympathetic point of view]], refusing to mix critical and sympathetic views in an article. ''This is a direct challenge to the [[neutral point of view]] [[wiki ideology]] that is promoted by Wikipedia, since that view gives maximum power to those who claim to be 'neutral' but are in a position of technologically granted power.''<br />
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[[Anarchopedia:Itself|Here at Anarchopedia]] [[Anarchopedia:We|we - whoever that is]] keep the critical and sympathetic views together but do not put a [[sysop power structure]] in charge of editorial decisions like [[deletion policy]] or who is a [[troll]] and what [[alleged or collective identity]] they do and do not share. ''See [[Anarchopedia:troll IP]], [[Anarchopedia:troll ID]] and [[Anarchopedia:faction]] and [[Anarchopedia:tendency]] for more on these questions and how we resolve Wikipedia's many authority and hierarchy problems in a more democratic way.''<br />
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Other corpus access providers focus on particular subsets of the material, and do not have facilities to automatically import via the Wikipedia interface:<br />
*[[Consumerpedia]]<br />
*[[Disinfopedia]]<br />
*[[Consumerium]]<br />
*[[Metaweb]]<br />
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In addition, there are many [[Wikipedia mirror]]s that do not provide edit access but read-only access. These might or might not be considered to be true '''access providers''' but in any case some of them, like [[NationMaster]] have added a lot of information that may be of interest for some purposes.<br />
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== challenges ==<br />
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There are several challenges common to all '''GFDL corpus access provider'''s:<br />
*agreeing on a [[wikitext standard]] and priorities to guide [[wiki code]] changes to accomodate it; ''[[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] are so far the only options.''<br />
*meeting the rigid terms of the [[GFDL]] itself, especially with regard to [[attribution]] and [[source access]], i.e. to the original text written in the [[wikitext standard]], not the [[HTML]] form into which it is rendered for [[printable page|print]]s or presentation.<br />
::lack of [[interwiki identity standard]] makes attribution quite unreliable<br />
::having one [[standard wiki URI]] from which to retrieve the source, that can be easily predicted and made permanent<br />
::[[interwiki link standard]]s so that differently-purposed or POV'd [[large public wiki]]s can link to each other<br />
*resolving [[point of view]] differences, to which there are several approaches:<br />
::[[neutral point of view]] tries to do this always within one article, attributing disputed claims, but of course, a [[systemic bias]] then applies<br />
::[[multiple point of view]] tries to separate views into articles of their own, e.g. as at [[Metaweb]] or via the "faction" system proposed at some wikis<br />
::[[sympathetic point of view]] tries to separate positive and negative views, whatever that means<br />
*dealing with [[server load]], especially for [[full text search]]<br />
*inadequate PHP-based software like [[MediaWiki]] and [[GetWiki]] - a concern [[Metaweb]]'s supporters are paying particular attention to<br />
*compiling and [[collaborative filter]]ing to present adapted articles - a concern [[Consumerium]] takes very seriously<br />
*[[governance]] problems in deal with a very large group of editors, ''see [[rule of 150]] for one possible limit to this''<br />
*Tracking with change to the [[GFDL corpus]] as a whole, so that the best material can be copied into those services interested in presenting it to their users.<br />
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== future integration ==<br />
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There are proposals extant to track all changes to the GFDL corpus in any of the known '''access providers''', and perhaps simplify signup for [[jabber]] or other services that could serve as basis for [[interwiki identity standard]]. Such proposals are simplified by an [[interwiki link standard]] and [[standard wiki URI]], though they are not strictly required simply for tracking.<br />
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There are also proposals to work with [[FSF]] and [[Creative Commons]] much more closely to avoid abuses of the [[GFDL]]'s terms and spirit.<br />
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== External links ==<br />
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* [http://www.gnu.org/encyclopedia/announcement.html Richard Stallman's initial plans for the GFDL corpus]<br />
* [http://www.arena.org.ar/gnupedia-historia.html History of the first GFDLcap, GNUpedia] (Spanish - [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arena.org.ar%2Fgnupedia-historia.html+&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools english translation])<br />
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Probably the best reference on this question is [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/GFDL_corpus_access_provider en: CreativeCommons: GFDL corpus access provider]] since [[Creative Commons]] and their [[Common Content]] initiative and [[CC-by-sa]] license provide a clear alternative to [[GFDL]] and they have a strong motive to work closely with all such access providers to achieve [[dual license]]d GFDL and [[CC-by-sa content]].</div>
Aspam
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:Purpose&diff=17732
Anarchopedia:Purpose
2007-05-05T07:55:22Z
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<div>The best way to determine '''Anarchopedia's Purpose''' is to gather what is said about that in its articles on more specific topics. That way, anyone who cares about some goal, principle, or understanding, can say there how it affects or should affect [[Anarchopedia:en:itself|Anarchopedia:itself]]. There are no "special articles" that "only trusted people" can edit. This is exactly how we propose also to evolve [[Anarchopedia:en:policy|Anarchopedia:policy]].<br />
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Where it becomes clear that there is substantial resistance to some purpose, this can be reflected in [[Anarchopedia:en:what Anarchopedia is not|what Anarchopedia is not]], but only after users in conflict have debated it extensively. In other words, neither purpose nor exclusions from purpose should be decided arbitrarily by any one "editor".<br />
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''See [[Anarchopedia:en:direct democracy|direct democracy]] for how issues are resolved if this bottom-up process needs to be accelerated, e.g. when decisions become urgent.''</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=17731
Orcs
2007-05-05T07:54:45Z
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<div>[[User:Xiong|English Wikipedia User Xiong]] coined the Tolkienesque term '''"orc"''' to describe a somewhat trollish user with unusual qualities of cleverness, persistence, and flexibility. <br />
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Orcs may or may not oppose trolls; they do not troll as intensely as a common troll. An orc masquerades as a genuine user, and may even make an occasional substantial contribution. An orc may fight a troll, or even another orc, hoping to steal the mantle of a [[Knight|knight]]; but often merely plods along in a [[groupthink]] vein, playing to the crowd, gathering support by acting with the mob, and occasionally looking to see where the mob is going -- and getting there first. He hopes to build up a reserve of public trust based on his frequent appearances on the "right" side of battles against [[Straw man|straw men]]. He may thus acquire [[Cat's paw|cat's paw]]s or [[Sparewheel|sparewheels]]. This is the orc's "passive mode". <br />
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When the orc shifts gears into "active mode", he fastens upon some object -- usually another user, but perhaps a group of users or an abstract concept -- and attempts to eradicate him, them, or it. He is unusually persistent ''and flexible'' in his attacks. Unlike trolls who generally "[[ignore all rules]]" except the most clearly established (since "rules" are so easily manipulated by orcs themselves - see below), the orc treads the edge of the acceptable, attempting to drag his opponent to this unsafe battleground. A successful orc attack is completed when his victim, not the orc, finally crosses the line into sanctionable action (c.f. [[MeatBall:Sucker Punch]] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/More_heat_than_light]). But absent this satisfaction, the orc persists until ''he'' exceeds community tolerance. <br />
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Another feature of the orc is his fascination with policy. He avoids substantive contribution and manipulates policy to his own ends. His flexibility is key. When stymied at one point, he goes to higher ground, looking for some policy that can be creatively twisted to support his vendetta. He fades in and out of active and passive modes, from direct attack to subversion of process. If he perceives a gray area, he pushes it as far as it will go; then he switches sides and pushes there, too, until nothing is left but a fine line between right and wrong. <br />
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The real danger of the orc is not that he destroys other users; users can be replaced. It is not that he vandalizes articles, policies, and tools; they can be rebuilt. <br />
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The orc, by playing constantly in the gray area between "okay" and "not okay", forces the community to resort ever more frequently to formal procedure, tribunal, and written, explicit policy. That might almost be a [[Good Thing]], but a social group founded on more or less anarchic principles maintains its integrity via [[meatball:SoftSecurity]], which depends on some shared self-image and a certain level of '''mutual trust'''. Orderly anarchy, as opposed to chaos, depends on members working to ''avoid'' testing limits and provoking contention. By forcing the group, bit by bit, to adopt strict methods to exclude bad actions, '''the orc destroys orderly anarchy''' and replaces it with a slapped-together mess of improvisation -- ad-hocracy at its worst - which is easily manipulated by other orcs. <br />
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Orcs have a symbiotic relationship with [[martinet]]s, who strive to create an atmosphere of rules, obediance, and structure as an end in itself. Some manage to be both at once. <br />
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The Orc's destruction ''cannot be reverted''. Once that mutual trust is destroyed, there is no way to regain it; once resort to authority replaces shared consensus, it becomes the first resort in all cases. This social glue is precious and fragile, and the orc erodes it by his every act. <br />
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Thus the orc is the most dangerous of all troublesome users.</div>
Aspam
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:Copyright_problems&diff=17730
Anarchopedia:Copyright problems
2007-05-05T07:54:24Z
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<div>We will need to decide how to handle copyrights and form a copyright policy. Should we stick strictly with the GFDL or should we allow other content as well? Should we abandon the GFDL and demand that all content be in the public domain? [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 16:18, 9 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:I think that we should not work with licenses like "fair use". GPL, GFDL and public domain are OK. Maybe we should prefer public domain... Even I prefer GPL :) because no one can "close" the derivate "source". I.e. if we want to defeat capitalism, we should fight against the system with their weapons. And GPL is the best "their weapon": it uses their law system. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:19, 9 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
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::Just thought that you might want to hear my two cents on the issue... I would agree with millosh that "fair use" is crap, since that usually means that in one country it is ok, and in others it is not. The problem with abandonning GPL is that many articles will need to be rewritten completely from scratch, but it is a good idea over all. I would suggest requesting from users to release everything in pd, and then when we actually have enough articles, then you can go and start redoing those grabbed from wikipedia, and placing them in pd completely. {{:eng:User:beta_m/sig}}</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Current_events&diff=17729
Current events
2007-05-05T07:53:27Z
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<div>==27. April 2006==<br />
now online:<br />
*ar: http://ara.anarchopedia.org<br />
*zh: http://chi.anarchopedia.org (or http://zho.anarchopedia.org)<br />
*ja: http://jpn.anarchopedia.org<br />
==5 May 2006==<br />
now online:<br />
*pt: http://por.anarchopedia.org</div>
Aspam
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:Technic&diff=17728
Anarchopedia:Technic
2007-05-05T07:53:06Z
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<div>*[[Anarchopedia:en:administration|administration]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:Bugs]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:Tech-Report]]<br />
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==MySQL dumps==<br />
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Database dumps are produced by script:<br />
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#!/usr/bin/perl -w<br />
use POSIX qw(strftime);<br />
$date = strftime "%Y%m%d%H%M", gmtime;<br />
print "mysqldump --opt -uusername -ppassword anarchopedia cur old > anarchopedia-".$date.".sql\n";<br />
print "bzip2 anarchopedia-".$date.".sql\n";<br />
print "mv anarchopedia-".$date.".sql.bz2 /srv/www/virtual/org.anarchopedia/htdocs/db/\n";<br />
print "chmod a+r /srv/www/virtual/org.anarchopedia/htdocs/db/anarchopedia-".$date.".sql.bz2\n";<br />
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Crontab job:<br />
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0 1 * * * root /srv/system/bin/ap-mysqldump.pl | sh<br />
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(MySQL dumps are generating every day at 01:00 CDT.)<br />
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*Database dumps for meta can be found at http://meta.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/. ''(in moment not available)''<br />
*Database dumps for deu can be found at http://deu.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/.<br />
*Database dumps for eng can be found at http://eng.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/. ''(in moment not available)''<br />
*Database dumps for fra can be found at http://fra.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/.<br />
*Database dumps for ita can be found at http://ita.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/.<br />
*Database dumps for spa can be found at http://spa.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/.<br />
*Database dumps for dan can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for dut can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for rus can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for nsh can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for ara can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for por can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for pol can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for chi/zho can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for jpn can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for nor can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for nno can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for hrv/srp can be found at http: nsh<br />
*Database dumps for ind can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for swe can be found at http:<br />
*Database dumps for epo can be found at http:<br />
*(Database dumps for ell/gre can be found at http:)</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=User:Millosh&diff=17724
User:Millosh
2007-05-05T07:49:25Z
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<div>*email: millosh@users.sourceforge.net<br />
*ICQ: 65302949<br />
*MSN: millosh@users.sourceforge.net<br />
*Yahoo: millosh<br />
*[irc://irc.freenode.net/anarchopedia #anarchopedia@freenode]: millosh (it can be the most useful; if you find someone on the channel, you can ask him/her to call me by phone; note that I am living in GMT+1 (UTC+[1|2]) timezone)<br />
*Phone: +381 62 376297<br />
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*For my evidence: [[User:Millosh/Search for Anarchopedia on Google|search for Anarchopedia on Google]]<br />
*[[User:Millosh/TODO|my todo list]]</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:Community_Portal&diff=17723
Anarchopedia:Community Portal
2007-05-05T07:48:20Z
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<div>*[[Anarchopedia:Technic]]<br />
*[[Network]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:Site support]]<br />
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==Syndicate==<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:eng:Syndicate|English:Syndicate]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:deu:Syndikat|Deutsch:Syndikat]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:fra:Syndicats|Fran&ccedil;ais:Syndicat]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:esp:Collectivo|Espa&ntilde;ol:Collectivo]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:ita:Collettivo|Italiano:Collettivo]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:dan:Kollektiv|Dansk:Kollektiv]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:rus:Syndicate|Russian:Syndicate]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:pol:Syndicate|Polish:Syndicate]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:por:Sindicato|Português:Sindicato]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:hrv:Syndicate|Hrvatski:Sindikat]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:srp:Syndicate|СрпÑки:Синдикат]]''<br />
*''[[Anarchopedia:ind:Syndicate|Indonesian:Sindikasi]]''<br />
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==[[Faction]]s==<br />
{{faction bar}}</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C5%92&diff=17722
Main Page‌
2007-05-05T07:47:41Z
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{|width="100%" style="text-align: center;padding:0.8em" cellspacing="14px" <br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[deu:|Deutschsprachige Anarchopedia]]'''</div>Anarchopedia ist ein offenes Wissensportal für und von AnarchistInnen.<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[fra:|Anarchopedia francophone]]'''</div> c'est un projet coopératif et anarchiste de réalisation d'une base de connaissance ouverte sur des sujets liés à l'[[:fra:anarchisme|anarchisme]].<br />
|width="33%"|A People's Encyclopedia.<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[eng:|Anarchopedia in English]]'''</div>Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.<br />
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|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[pol:|Polska]]'''</div>Polska wersja kompedium wiedzy o anarchizmie<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[:spa:Portada|Anarchopedia en Espa&ntilde;ol]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|L'enciclopedia della gente.<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[ita:|Anarchopedia in Italiano]]'''</div>Anarchopedia è il portale aperto del sapere, un progetto anarchico e cooperativo per la creazione di una enciclopedia multilingue<br />
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|width="33%"|Uma Enciclopédia Popular<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[por:|Anarchopedia em português]]'''</div>Um projeto cooperativo para a criação de um portal de conhecimento aberto e comunidade ''online'' anarquista.<br />
|width="33%" rowspan="2"|[[Image:Anarchopedia.png]]</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[epo:|Anarchopedia en Esperanto]]'''</div><br />
La projekto Anarchopedia temas pri enciklopedio plurlingva - specife Anarkiisma - kiu celas klarigi la temojn kiujn la anarkiisma movado traktas kutime.<br />
|-<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[ind:Halaman_Utama|Bahasa Indonesia]]'''</div>Anarchopedia adalah sebuah proyek pengembangan portal pengetahuan terbuka dan komunitas anarkis online.<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[lit:|Lietuvių]]'''</div>Anarchopedija tai atviras žinių portalas arba internetinė enciklopedija, nuolat pildoma ir tobulinama savanoriškomis pastangomis.<br />
|-<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[rus:|РуÑÑкий]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[ara:|أنارشوبيديا]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[dan:|Dansk]]'''</div><br />
|-<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[bos:|Bosanski]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[hrv:|Hrvatski]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[srp:|СрпÑки / Srpski]]'''</div><br />
|-<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[gre:|ΑναÏχοπαίδεια]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[jpn:|日本語]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[dut:|Nederlands]]'''</div><br />
|-<br />
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Aspam
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:en:Greens&diff=17721
Anarchopedia:en:Greens
2007-05-05T07:44:14Z
<p>Aspam: rv</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Greens]]</div>
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Anarchopedia:en:policy
2007-05-05T07:43:23Z
<p>Aspam: Reverted edits by 83.211.3.16 (Talk); changed back to last version by Rev 22</p>
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<div>[[Anarchopedia]] intends to be a [[large public wiki]]. Accordingly it will need some policy and perhaps even a [[sysop power structure]] to manage itself.<br />
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Rather than apply some "absolute-sounding [[ethic]]" (even such a seemingly open and anarchically benevolent one as "[[troll-friendly]]") to develop any '''[[Anarchopedia]] policy''', it seems advisable to rely mostly or only on [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Anarchopedia:Itself|what Anarchopedia, itself, says about its own purpose and mission]]. Then the items which are very widely shared, or clearly undesirable, can be listed as specific items of standing policy, or, rejected and listed under [[what Anarchopedia is not]].<br />
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This method would seem to have at least the [[imperative integrity]] of [[Anarchopedia:Direct democracy|direct democracy]] - it does not rely on any pre-existing [[ethical code]] or [[wiki ontology]] that is imposed or defined by anyone other than the ordinary participant. It gains its authority, if any, from the lack of objection or dispute to any '''policy''', as long as there are no inhibitions against offering such objections.<br />
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If successful, this form of policy [[bootstrap]] would prove that it is quite possible to function without a [[GodKing]] or even a [[representative democracy]] model, though some [[sysop power structure]]/[[bureaucracy]] and [[Anarchopedia:Faction|faction]]/[[polity]] should be probably prepared to help any [[users in conflict]] as they work towards developing their progressive fiqh, er, '''policy'''. ;-)</div>
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Anarchopedia talk:Site support
2007-05-05T07:39:43Z
<p>Aspam: Reverted edits by 83.211.3.16 (Talk); changed back to last version by 72.203.169.211</p>
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:I found that I can't send money via PayPal... Hm. I'll find some way to do so. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 11:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::BRiB, just log in www.paypal.com and then clic the paiement button : fill donate@anarchopedia.org and the others stuff and that's all. it's true that the link is in french, i don't know if someone can change the link... --doud<br />
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The link is now in english language :) [[User:Libre|Libre]] 18:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:The problem is that I can't make donation if I am from Serbia... And I am wandering about it just because I made a donation to Mutualaid six-nine months ago via Paypal. I am still checking. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
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Version of the page by [[User:Imatroll]]:<br />
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Please don't offend us by providing us with money, the food of the capitalist pig.<br />
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== site support in all languages ==<br />
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i ve putted a template "langs" for that peoples see the article in their language, if it exists... maybe some others languages are to be translated. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</div>
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'''Anarchopedia''' is a knowledge portal and online anarchist community. The project aims to build a multilingual encyclopedia, written cooperatively on the Internet, with a special focus on [[:eng:Anarchism|Anarchism]] and anarchist topics. This project is organized according to the means of [[:eng:unanimity|unanimity]], [[:eng:consensus|consensus]], [[:eng:voluntarism|voluntarism]], individual responsibility, and is founded upon the anarchist principles of [[:eng:direct democracy|direct democracy]] and [[:eng:autonomy|autonomy]].<br />
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==Nature of the Anarchopedia project==<br />
===Significance of the name===<br />
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The word '''Anarchopedia''' is composed of the term “Anarcho†(diminutive of anarchism/Anarchist), and of the term “pediaâ€, which comes from the ancient Greek ''paideia'' and meaning ''[[education]]'' (the project wants to be a kind of place to know, a base of knowledge of anarchism, even a place of exchange and studies on anarchism).<br />
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Anarchopedia means thus the idea that this encyclopaedia holds, by a whole of means (by the wiki), to allow the development of knowledge on anarchism. <br />
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===Tally of work of Anarchopedia===<br />
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Some of the articles were imported from [[Wikipedia]], and had to be reworked. This because it is not uncommon for articles on Wikipedia adopt pro-capitalist stances or to contain pro-authority bias, which are incompatible with the anarchist points of view.<br />
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[[Anarchopedia]] exists in various languages, including [[eng:|english]], [[ger:|german]], [[pol:|polish]], [[ita:|italian]], [[rus:|russian]], [[spa:|spanish]] and others (but some little developed). A project exists or can exist for each language. A special multilingual wiki ([[m:|meta Anarchopedia]]) also exists, and can be used for inter-language coordination.<br />
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===Objectives of the Anarchopedia project===<br />
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An [[anarchistic encyclopaedia|anarchist encyclopedia]], the purpose of it is to clarify the subjects, the topics, to which the anarchistic movement usually refers. Among others: the organisational means specifically libertarian, the Actions or political theories suggested by the libertarians, of the history of the anarchists and anarchism, the social and economic questions, the anarchistic personalities and theorists, etc...<br />
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As an experiment in anarchistic management, Anarchopedia seeks to show how to create a successful website and a thriving community without resorting to social hierarchy as seen in other websites, while ensuring as much as possible the autonomy of the individuals and the groups involved in the project. This is what makes Anarchopedia different from other websites, and probably unique. The success or failure of this project will teach anarchists and political activists how to create Internet-based social networks according to anti-authoritarian principles.<br />
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===Characteristics of Anarchopedia===<br />
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The Anarchopedia project has specific characteristics which make it unique:<br />
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* The project aims to be an experiment in [[:eng:Anarchy|Anarchy]] and anarchistic management. The project is thus based on a Wiki (allowing a direct co-operative relation between editors and readers). A wiki allows creation and the modification by any person of any article. Wiki is a collective tool which makes it possible the anarchistic encyclopaedia to grow rich by work by each one and all, while specifying, while modifying or while adding to it of the articles. Anarchopedia does not have [[sysops]] (i.e. a power structure). All users have sysop permissions.<br />
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* Anarchopedia is not primarily intended as a “forum of discussion†(if not outward journey on [http://yaff.net yaff.net]) nor a “Web directoryâ€. Nevertheless, it is possible also to put comments on page of discussion for each article, at the time of dissent or for remarks about the treatment of an article. Anarchopedia is anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian.<br />
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* The articles of Anarchopedia are reusable according to terms' of the GNU Free Documentation License (whose name is also known in shortened form [[GFDL]]). Thus, an individual or an organization can use the contents of Anarchopedia, while conforming under the free Licence of documentation GNU. See [[Anarchopedia:Copyright]].<br />
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* [[Anarchistic points of view]] / [[APOV]]: as far as possible, any encyclopaedic writing in Anarchopedia must take part for one of the anarchistic point of view. The “neutrality of point of view†policy, such on wikipedia, is not considered too useful on Anarchopedia, because it relies on a central authority that should make decisions about the neutrality of an article and eventually carry out censorship when the article doesn't conform. Of course, it perhaps difficult to arrive to an anarchistic point of view in all the cases. On Anarchopedia, the writing rules aim at being appropriate to the rational people, even if those are not always of the same opinion. The anarchistic points of view indicate that all the facets of a discussed point must be evoked according to these points of view, and that the article must in no way of declaring, of implying or of even insinuating, that one from the points of view is that which is correct a priori. The anarchistic points of view do not imply however the representation with equality from these various points of view. Anarchopedia naturally grants place to from the traditional or recent anarchistic points of view, but nones from the being asserted point of view of certain worse anarchistic groupings (“anarchistâ€-capitalist, national-“anarchistsâ€, - and in the kind in reconversion, or reappropriation, to be made a new image -). Right-wing, pro-state, and pro-capitalist [[:en:point of view|POVs]] are not welcome on Anarchopedia. Moreover, if a point of view is for example only constant by certain groups of certain specific ideological tendencies, it will be described like that.<br />
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==Operation of Anarchopedia==<br />
=== Modification of the articles ===<br />
Concretely, each page of Anarchopedia has a button which any visitor, even not recorded, can click to modify, to add or remove what it contains. Each one can also create new pages, leading the site to grow.<br />
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For the edition of the pages, the wiki syntax, a kind of very simplified HTML language, makes it possible to format pages and to create links between them.<br />
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==== Principle of Wikis ====<br />
Anarchopedia and its parallel projects are of the free “WikiWikiWebsâ€. Created in 1995 by “Ward Cunninghamâ€, Wiki draws its name from the word hawaïen “WikiWikiâ€, which means “quicklyâ€. Developed originally by communities of free software developers, Wikis are dynamic Web sites, of which any visitor can modify the page which it is reading. Thanks to this characteristic, on Wiki, the limit between the reader and the author tends to disappear. The syntax of the wiki is much simpler than the “HTMLâ€, and it is enough to a few moments to learn it (two apostrophes to put in italic, three to boldface, two brakets for a links), nevertheless a toolbar is included in the interface to simplify the use of syntax (by buttons).<br />
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Anarchopedia functions with the free software “[[:eng:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]â€. The data of Anarchopedia (present in a database), all languages can be downloaded starting from the direction [[Anarchopedia:Technic|SERVER + /dev/db/ of each anarchopedia]].<br />
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===Monitoring of the quality of the articles===<br />
The MediaWiki software, like all wiki-software, includes features that make it possible to facilitate the consultation and the management of the site. It is thus possible to constantly consult the last modifications made to the whole of the site (new pages, new contributions, recent Modifications…).<br />
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In Anarchopedia, the participants add their contributions to those of the others. Thus, they correct the errors of other writers and work together on the topics possibly discussed by respecting APOV.<br />
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All the history of the contributions is preserved: successive versions of the text, authors, reasons for the modifications, dates. It can be consulted while clicking on the “history" button. This permanent device of safeguard makes it possible to return to the need to a preceding version. Thus, even in the presence of vandal, the encyclopaedia is not endangered.<br />
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The anarchopedians can specify which article they wish monitor for modification, often those on which they intervened. It is thus possible for them to periodicaly check the evolution of the contents of the articles which interest them. MediaWiki makes it possible to post the text modified between two versions, even if they are not followed.<br />
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The followed articles can thus be corrected if erroneous information entered, or if the quality of the article drops: style, orthography, poor presentation, lack of clearness, need for a synthesis of the data. This system of follow-up of the articles also makes it possible to locate the acts of vandalism, and to restore the preceding version of the text.<br />
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In the event of dissent on the contents of an article, a argued debate proceeds in the page of discussion annexed to the article. This discussion forms integral part of the encyclopaedia, and its reading can be instructive on the delicate points to treat in the contents of the article. This page is accessible via the button “discussionâ€.<br />
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===Participants===<br />
The contributors can optionally create an account with a name and a password, so their modifications can be tracked and their contributions attributed. Registered contributors can profit from a personal page and additional functionalities. In fact, the majority of the contributors are registered. There are currently some contributors in differents languages.<br />
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There is no “chief†in the project Anarchopedia, the project is entirely self-managed by its voluntary participants, and aims to be as decentralized as possible in self-management. To contribute to Anarchopedia, it is sufficient to read some of the internal documentation and possibly create an account.<br />
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===An anarchistic encyclopaedia===<br />
Anarchopedia is an [[anarchistic encyclopaedia]] in the political sense of the term : its operation is founded on the [[:en:autonomy|autonomy]] and the [[:en:self-management|self-management]] of Anarchopedians, and not on the [[:en:authority|authority]] (of some).<br />
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In this sense, it illustrates the famous saying of [[Pierre Joseph Proudhon]] : “''Anarchy, it is the order, without the authority''†(Confessions of a revolutionist).<br />
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On the other hand, Anarchopedia is the opposite of an “anarchy†within the meaning of a community struck by a state of disorder. Order is ensured by the individuals associated on anarchopedia.<br />
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Anarchopedians do not give orders to other anarchopedians. Mandates and tasks can be assigned to individuals during [[:Category:General Meetings|General Assemblies]].<br />
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==Anarchopedia and collective regulation==<br />
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===Why Anarchopedia doesn't break down ?===<br />
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By its open organization and because of the absence of holders of authority, Anarchopedia can appear like a project very fragile, ready to be broken down under the attacks of vandals, or with being submerged by contributions in disaccord with a general consensus. Anarchopedia undergoes, from time to time, the effect of individuals who seek degrade his contents, to even erase its pages. As for the them, they always showed less perseverance or persistence than Anarchopedians, so it is unlikely that they would be able to damage the project permanently.<br />
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On final, a report is essential: there are more Net surfers wishing to work for the interest of the realization of Anarchopedia, than people who seek to harm it.<br />
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===Why take part in Anarchopedia?===<br />
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With the first access, to devote time to Anarchopedia may not appear a particularly attractive activity. It is necessary:<br />
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* to experiment and learn the operating mode of wiki and anarchopedia,<br />
* to show humility by accepting that its texts are modified by other participants,<br />
* to accept that others can have another approach on a question that oneself,<br />
* to respect radically different or opposite opinions which are often debated, under the Anarchist Points of view.<br />
* to devote time to ungrateful tasks like the correction of the spelling mistakes or the errors of working.<br />
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==Criticisms==<br />
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The growing success of Anarchopedia led a great number of people to formulate a critical opinion on the reliability of the information presented in this encyclopaedia. The statute of Anarchopedia as a source of reference remains a subject of controversy. The principal objections are as follows:<br />
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* the absence of filtering of the editors according to their competences, which involves the risk of inaccuracies, and more generally the absence of a reading panel guaranteeing the quality of the articles,<br />
* the heterogeneity of the quality of the articles,<br />
* the preference for the [[consensus]] of the editors after a reasoned debate, rather than for the argument of authority,<br />
* [[anarchistic points of view]], considered as an illusion or a political or cultural prejudice,<br />
* the risk to seek the anarchistic [[consensus]] rather than the anarchistic [[truth]], and to support the relativism in the name of the anarchistic Point of view, even if it means to tolerate unfounded speeches on subjects concerned with personal philosophy, or propaganda for groups for example,<br />
* the anonymity of the majority of the contributors,<br />
* the vandalism, supported by the open nature of wiki.<br />
* the risk to see groupings using Anarchopedia to make propaganda, or many geniuses autoclaimed to disseminate eccentric information,<br />
* the systematic existence of skew in spite of the concern from the anarchistic point of view,<br />
* apparent lack of responsibility and references compared with other encyclopaedias,<br />
* skepticism on the capacity of Anarchopedia, considering its operation based on a collective regulation, to improve quality of the articles, even the prediction of an inescapable walk towards the mediocrity,<br />
* a great number of articles are appeared as a compilation of rough information, without the effort of synthesis which should characterize an encyclopaedic text,<br />
* the contents of Anarchopedia are closely related to the centers of interest of its contributors, from where lacks in the panorama of knowledge. <br />
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===Answers to the criticisms===<br />
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TODO<br />
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==Extent of the Anarchopedia project==<br />
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There are a number of language-local editions of Anarchopedia. Among them:<br />
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*[[m:|Anarchopedia]] (multi-lingual, for the discussions on the Anarchopedia project). <br />
*[[eng:|english]], <br />
*[[ger:|german]], <br />
*[[pol:|polish]], <br />
*[[ita:|italian]], <br />
*[[rus:|russian]], <br />
*[[spa:|spanish]],<br />
*[[por:|portuguese]],<br />
* Bahasa Indonesia<br />
* Hrvatski<br />
* РуÑÑкий<br />
* СрпÑки / Srpski<br />
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==History==<br />
===Antecedents===<br />
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The Anarchopedia project falls under a will to continue with “modern†means (Internet and wiki), the project of collection and organization of the knowledge on anarchism. The idea to gather the whole of knowledge on anarchism will be initiated by [[Sebastien Faure]] in the [[anarchistic encyclopaedia]] (1927), or by maitron in its works of history on the anarchists, and various anarchistic authors will gather documents or writings allowing a posteriori to carry out this base of knowledge on anarchism.<br />
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With the development of Internet, several people developed knowledge bases on anarchism by Internet (bibliotecs, writings, daily bleed, etc). <br />
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===Origin of the project===<br />
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Wikipedia will be another knowledge base under development, they will be one of the bases and inspirer of this project.<br />
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===Anarchopedia project===<br />
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[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] launched the [http://meta.anarchopedia.org Anarchopedia project] (also as Anarchapedia) in ''[http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/035299.html September 2004]'', with multiple languages, differing from wikipedia in that every user is granted sysop status; thus launching a direct experiment of anarchy.<br />
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Anarchopedia started in "September 2004", the anglophone wiki in November 2004, and several other projects carried out thereafter. <br />
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====Similar projects====<br />
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*A [http://encyclopedie.zaup.org parallel project], just in french language, and without sysop for all, was launched in november 2004 on [http://zaup.org zaup.org]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 12 March 2005.<br />
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*A [Indonesian parallel project], just in Indonesian language, was launched ??? on [???]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 17 September 2005.<br />
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*A [polish parallel project], just in polish language, was launched in ???? on [http://???? ????]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 28 August 2005.<br />
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*A [http://wiki.anarcho.dk parallel project], just in danish language, was launched at august 11 th in 2005 on [http://anarcko.dk anarko.dk]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 19 March 2006.<br />
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===Other forms of diffusion of Anarchopedia===<br />
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CD ? DVD ? P2P ? Papers ?<br />
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==advance of Anarchopedia==<br />
===Outstanding dates of Anarchopedia===<br />
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===Discussion-Reflexion-analyses===<br />
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===Principal indicators of the advance of Anarchopedia===<br />
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to be made, with the statistics…<br />
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===Draft reports===<br />
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==See also==<br />
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In addition to this article, you can read some of the articles which intend describe individual aspects of '''Anarchopedia''':<br />
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*[[Anarchopedia:en:itself|Anarchopedia, itself]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:purpose|Anarchopedia, purpose]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:we|Anarchopedia, we]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:policy|Anarchopedia, policy]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:direct democracy|direct democracy]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:Sysops|sysops]]<br />
*[[:en:point of view|point of view]] (POV)<br />
*[[:en:large public wiki|large public wiki]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:faction|factions]]: [[Anarchopedia:en:Reds|Reds]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Pinks|Pinks]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Greens|Greens]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Blues|Blues]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Golds|Golds]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Trolls|Trolls]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Elves|Elves]]<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
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[[pl:Anarchopedia]]<br />
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[[en:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[fr:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[it:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[id:Anarchopedia]]<br />
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[[Category:Anarchopedia]]</div>
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|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[deu:|Deutschsprachige Anarchopedia]]'''</div>Anarchopedia ist ein offenes Wissensportal für und von AnarchistInnen.<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[fra:|Anarchopedia francophone]]'''</div> c'est un projet coopératif et anarchiste de réalisation d'une base de connaissance ouverte sur des sujets liés à l'[[:fra:anarchisme|anarchisme]].<br />
|width="33%"|A People's Encyclopedia.<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[eng:|Anarchopedia in English]]'''</div>Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.<br />
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|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[pol:|Polska]]'''</div>Polska wersja kompedium wiedzy o anarchizmie<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[:spa:Portada|Anarchopedia en Espa&ntilde;ol]]'''</div><br />
|width="33%"|L'enciclopedia della gente.<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[ita:|Anarchopedia in Italiano]]'''</div>Anarchopedia è il portale aperto del sapere, un progetto anarchico e cooperativo per la creazione di una enciclopedia multilingue<br />
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|width="33%"|Uma Enciclopédia Popular<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[por:|Anarchopedia em português]]'''</div>Um projeto cooperativo para a criação de um portal de conhecimento aberto e comunidade ''online'' anarquista.<br />
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|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[epo:|Anarchopedia en Esperanto]]'''</div><br />
La projekto Anarchopedia temas pri enciklopedio plurlingva - specife Anarkiisma - kiu celas klarigi la temojn kiujn la anarkiisma movado traktas kutime.<br />
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|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[ind:Halaman_Utama|Bahasa Indonesia]]'''</div>Anarchopedia adalah sebuah proyek pengembangan portal pengetahuan terbuka dan komunitas anarkis online.<br />
|width="33%"|<div style="font-size: 110%">'''[[lit:|Lietuvių]]'''</div>Anarchopedija tai atviras žinių portalas arba internetinė enciklopedija, nuolat pildoma ir tobulinama savanoriškomis pastangomis.<br />
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You wrote "Socialism: is the mode of society in which goods are exchanged according to people's needs..."<br />
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What are goods in your opinion? (possible translation-problem) In my opinion goods only exists in capitalism, because goods also inluded labor and trade. Do You mean things? --[[User:X|X]] 07:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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For goods i meant any commodity that can be exchanged, like food, clothes etc, not labor or trade. Perhaps Marx's theory definition of "goods" includes labor, so I will correct the definition. Thanks for pointing out the problem. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 11:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Socialisme is commen te be misunderstood in many facets of the word. Socialism is a way of life in which you can freely give and receive back your needs by expressing them in any kind of way... Knowledge and food don't have to have a price the way they make it. Life just ain't that easy in many cases. Cases.. No.. Lifes...The need of money is exaturated in the modern society's. Money should contribute something to life. In this capitalistic sociaty everything has a price. Some just can't affort. That should not be necescary. Some are blinded by materialistic dreams. But materialisme is not human, and in that way not social. Socialisme cannot be defined in one word of sentance there are many books about it. I suggest that you should read one, just one. <br />
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sorry for that : [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=2510&diff=16736&oldid=16735], i read it too quickly, i didn't see that it was talks on indonesian language. i thank it was vandalism. [[User:Aspam|Aspam]] 14:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)</div>
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