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<div>I like this default value. [[User:Sj|Sj]] 02:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Licenses ==<br />
Creative Commons: Attribution-Share Alike 3.0<br />
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/<br />
<br />
CopyLeft<br />
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== Rescued link ==<br />
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I didn't see this anywhere and had to find it through my own history. It should be posted somewhere because it contains pertinent background info: http://meta.anarchopedia.org/License_change<br />
:Added. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Licensing: purity versus pragmatism ==<br />
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I find myself torn on this issue. If we want to remain pure anarchists, then of course we can't wield copyright law to our own advantage; we must release to the public domain. But why remain pure on this one count when we're not pure on so many others? We compromise with the enemies of anarchism all the time. For instance, I'm sure most of us are connected to the Internet via capitalist ISPs; but we are justified in this because we're using capitalism to undermine capitalism. And that's the entire point of copyleft licensing: using copyright to undermine copyright! In all candor, I feel less pure knowing that we're potentially contributing to capitalism by releasing to the public domain (where capitalists might capitalize on our work), than I would feel by releasing under a copyleft license like the GPL. Considering the realities of the situation, releasing to the public domain seems to be not only an empty expression of anarchist purity, but a self-destructive one; it is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.<br />
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:The entire concept of having policies and procedures on an anarchist project shows the basic hypocrisy about anarchism: it's not against government or order, just against government or order that it did not create. [[Special:Contributions/24.16.80.91|24.16.80.91]] 20:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A topical essay ==<br />
<br />
Anyone interested in the licensing discussion should read this excellent, thought-provoking essay by Anna Nimus (reading time ~1 hr; I had to break the link to get past the spam filter):<br />
<br />
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html<br />
<br />
This is a complicated issue. Here is a summary of the problem, as I see it:<br />
<br />
# As anarchists, we want information to be free, so we feel compelled to release to the public domain;<br />
# But we don't want to empower our enemies, so we feel compelled to use their own copyright law against them by releasing under a copyleft license.<br />
# However, not all copyleft licenses are alike, so we feel compelled to use one with a non-commercial clause;<br />
# But the more restrictive we become, the more we compromise on our principles.<br />
# Moreover, by releasing under any license whatsoever, we affirm that which we oppose: the control of information.<br />
<br />
So the complication is twofold: 1) can we justify using means which compromise our principles, for the sake of achieving ends which uphold them; 2) if yes, then does our desire to achieve those ends outweigh our desire to reject the very concept of the ownership of ideas. If not, then we're back where we started: we can only grind our teeth as our enemies capitalize on our efforts to spread information freely; we can only implore them not to exploit us for their own gain; we can only stand by and watch as our principles are violated, thereby facilitating their violation, and, in effect, compromising once again.<br />
<br />
In short: We're damned if we license, and damned if we don't.<br />
<br />
== Public domain/Conservapedia copyright ==<br />
A public domain release should be the new licensing terms, in my opinion. Next best choice is [http://conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Copyright Conservapedia's copyright license], which is functionally identical to a public domain release. --[[User:Ksd5|Ksd5]] 20:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarification on PD in Europe ==<br />
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K2 contacted me on this issue and just to clarify for him and for others this issue. The most of continental Europe jurisdictions (AFAIK, except Netherlands) forbids realizing content in PD. The rationale behind this reasoning is that "the author is always holder of moral rights of his or her work". --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Anarchopedia licensing terms address that issue by stating inside of the "Default values": --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:''If there is no licensing template on the article page (usually at the bottom), then you are able to use Anarchopedia content without restriction. In Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions this means that you are able to use Anarchopedia content as public domain content, while in the Continental jurisdictions you should treat the content as though published under an attribution-only license (one example of such a license is the Creative Commons Attribution License).''<br />
:''Even in such cases (in Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions) that you are not compelled by law to provide attribution, it is advisable to do so, so that the source of the information can be located if necessary. However, in such cases, you are left to your own discretion whether to follow this common practice or not.''<br />
<br />
-- as well as inside of the section "Contributing content to Anarchopedia".<br />
:'''''Public domain / attribution-only''' (depending of jurisdiction). This is the Anarchopedia default. If you do not put any license template on the content you have contributed, then that content will be published under those conditions. ''Content licensed in this way is compatible with any other license.''''<br />
<br />
European jurisdictions are mentioned as "Continental jurisdictions". --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Those two statements address relatively clearly the issue related to using and contributing the content. Even it is not clear enough, it is not up to us to deal with that. All Anarchopedia contributors ''are'' contributed inside of the history of a particular page. Legally, this is related just to two occasions: (1) if someone contributes their material indirectly (let's say, someone says to some Anarchopedia contributor that their materials are under PD although that person is from some continental jurisdiction ~ from Europe) or (2) if someone from Europe uses materials from Anarchopedia without giving proper contribution to some author who gave materials under the default licensing values. In both cases it is not related to Anarchopedia, but to a particular relationship between the author and the legal system (the first case) and distributor and the legal system (the second case). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Even some public prosecutor (because no one would be privately interested to make such case) is crazy enough to make such case, the situation is far from serious: --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# It is not related to Anarchopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# It is highly unlikely that any US court would take such case and to prosecute Anarchopedia as a provider of such "copyright infringement". (And just US courts matters in relation to Anarchopedia as it is hosted in US.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# In both cases author or distributor are able to fix the problem before the situation came to the court. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# It is not under ''criminal'' laws, but under civil laws, as well as it may be treated just as a minor law infringement; and thus no one will go to the jail because of that, even all members of the process are crazy enough to finalize that before the court. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
And, finally, if someone wants to prosecute me (as a domain owner) ''because of that'', I wish them a good luck :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::Perfect, Millosh, thanks. Just a question: the contents of anarchopedia were under GNU FDL, a copyleft license that is not compatible with PD/attribution-only; the same contents are under PD/attribution-only now. How is it possible? PD/attribution-only are compatible with GNU FDL, but GNU FDL is not compatible with PD/attribution-only. Bye. --[[User:K2|K2]] 03:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==The link says "terms of use"; but the article says "License. Why?"==<br />
[[Special:Contributions/206.130.173.55|206.130.173.55]] 17:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)</div>
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Talk:License
2010-07-29T01:24:24Z
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<div>I like this default value. [[User:Sj|Sj]] 02:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Licenses ==<br />
Creative Commons: Attribution-Share Alike 3.0<br />
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/<br />
<br />
CopyLeft<br />
<br />
== Rescued link ==<br />
<br />
I didn't see this anywhere and had to find it through my own history. It should be posted somewhere because it contains pertinent background info: http://meta.anarchopedia.org/License_change<br />
:Added. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Licensing: purity versus pragmatism ==<br />
<br />
I find myself torn on this issue. If we want to remain pure anarchists, then of course we can't wield copyright law to our own advantage; we must release to the public domain. But why remain pure on this one count when we're not pure on so many others? We compromise with the enemies of anarchism all the time. For instance, I'm sure most of us are connected to the Internet via capitalist ISPs; but we are justified in this because we're using capitalism to undermine capitalism. And that's the entire point of copyleft licensing: using copyright to undermine copyright! In all candor, I feel less pure knowing that we're potentially contributing to capitalism by releasing to the public domain (where capitalists might capitalize on our work), than I would feel by releasing under a copyleft license like the GPL. Considering the realities of the situation, releasing to the public domain seems to be not only an empty expression of anarchist purity, but a self-destructive one; it is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.<br />
<br />
:The entire concept of having policies and procedures on an anarchist project shows the basic hypocrisy about anarchism: it's not against government or order, just against government or order that it did not create. [[Special:Contributions/24.16.80.91|24.16.80.91]] 20:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== A topical essay ==<br />
<br />
Anyone interested in the licensing discussion should read this excellent, thought-provoking essay by Anna Nimus (reading time ~1 hr; I had to break the link to get past the spam filter):<br />
<br />
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html<br />
<br />
This is a complicated issue. Here is a summary of the problem, as I see it:<br />
<br />
# As anarchists, we want information to be free, so we feel compelled to release to the public domain;<br />
# But we don't want to empower our enemies, so we feel compelled to use their own copyright law against them by releasing under a copyleft license.<br />
# However, not all copyleft licenses are alike, so we feel compelled to use one with a non-commercial clause;<br />
# But the more restrictive we become, the more we compromise on our principles.<br />
# Moreover, by releasing under any license whatsoever, we affirm that which we oppose: the control of information.<br />
<br />
So the complication is twofold: 1) can we justify using means which compromise our principles, for the sake of achieving ends which uphold them; 2) if yes, then does our desire to achieve those ends outweigh our desire to reject the very concept of the ownership of ideas. If not, then we're back where we started: we can only grind our teeth as our enemies capitalize on our efforts to spread information freely; we can only implore them not to exploit us for their own gain; we can only stand by and watch as our principles are violated, thereby facilitating their violation, and, in effect, compromising once again.<br />
<br />
In short: We're damned if we license, and damned if we don't.<br />
<br />
== Public domain/Conservapedia copyright ==<br />
A public domain release should be the new licensing terms, in my opinion. Next best choice is [http://conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Copyright Conservapedia's copyright license], which is functionally identical to a public domain release. --[[User:Ksd5|Ksd5]] 20:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Clarification on PD in Europe ==<br />
<br />
K2 contacted me on this issue and just to clarify for him and for others this issue. The most of continental Europe jurisdictions (AFAIK, except Netherlands) forbids realizing content in PD. The rationale behind this reasoning is that "the author is always holder of moral rights of his or her work". --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia licensing terms address that issue by stating inside of the "Default values": --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:''If there is no licensing template on the article page (usually at the bottom), then you are able to use Anarchopedia content without restriction. In Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions this means that you are able to use Anarchopedia content as public domain content, while in the Continental jurisdictions you should treat the content as though published under an attribution-only license (one example of such a license is the Creative Commons Attribution License).''<br />
:''Even in such cases (in Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions) that you are not compelled by law to provide attribution, it is advisable to do so, so that the source of the information can be located if necessary. However, in such cases, you are left to your own discretion whether to follow this common practice or not.''<br />
<br />
-- as well as inside of the section "Contributing content to Anarchopedia".<br />
:'''''Public domain / attribution-only''' (depending of jurisdiction). This is the Anarchopedia default. If you do not put any license template on the content you have contributed, then that content will be published under those conditions. ''Content licensed in this way is compatible with any other license.''''<br />
<br />
European jurisdictions are mentioned as "Continental jurisdictions". --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Those two statements address relatively clearly the issue related to using and contributing the content. Even it is not clear enough, it is not up to us to deal with that. All Anarchopedia contributors ''are'' contributed inside of the history of a particular page. Legally, this is related just to two occasions: (1) if someone contributes their material indirectly (let's say, someone says to some Anarchopedia contributor that their materials are under PD although that person is from some continental jurisdiction ~ from Europe) or (2) if someone from Europe uses materials from Anarchopedia without giving proper contribution to some author who gave materials under the default licensing values. In both cases it is not related to Anarchopedia, but to a particular relationship between the author and the legal system (the first case) and distributor and the legal system (the second case). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Even some public prosecutor (because no one would be privately interested to make such case) is crazy enough to make such case, the situation is far from serious: --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# It is not related to Anarchopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# It is highly unlikely that any US court would take such case and to prosecute Anarchopedia as a provider of such "copyright infringement". (And just US courts matters in relation to Anarchopedia as it is hosted in US.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# In both cases author or distributor are able to fix the problem before the situation came to the court. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
# It is not under ''criminal'' laws, but under civil laws, as well as it may be treated just as a minor law infringement; and thus no one will go to the jail because of that, even all members of the process are crazy enough to finalize that before the court. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
And, finally, if someone wants to prosecute me (as a domain owner) ''because of that'', I wish them a good luck :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::Perfect, Millosh, thanks. Just a question: the contents of anarchopedia were under GNU FDL, a copyleft license that is not compatible with PD/attribution-only; the same contents are under PD/attribution-only now. How is it possible? PD/attribution-only are compatible with GNU FDL, but GNU FDL is not compatible with PD/attribution-only. Bye. --[[User:K2|K2]] 03:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==The link says "terms of use"; but the article says "License. Why?"==<br />
[[Special:Contributions/206.130.173.55|206.130.173.55]] 17:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== no teme ==<br />
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I want to quote your post in my blog. It can?<br />
And you et an account on Twitter?<br />
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== no teme ==<br />
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it was very interesting to read.<br />
I want to quote your post in my blog. It can?<br />
And you et an account on Twitter?</div>
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<div>Please, add your ideas here. If there is no section for your idea, please, add it.<br />
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==Organizational==<br />
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===Date and time===<br />
Please put down when you can attend the General Meeting in order of preference:<br />
* December 4 (8-20 UTC), December 1 (8-12 UTC), December 8 (8-12 UTC), December 11 (8-20 UTC) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] - Sorry can't do December 11th [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 12:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
* December 4 (16-20 UTC), December 11 (16-20 UTC) [[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]]<br />
* Unfortunately I will be out of the Internet for some days, so I will not be able to attend the meeting, but I will try to provide some suggestions regarding technical issues in this page. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 16:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
* December 8 and after. - Samarre, french encyclopedia<br />
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===General secretary?===<br />
* We need at least a person who would take care about daily jobs in our community; i.e. we need a secretary. I think that it shouldn't be one person (first of all, because it is hard to work alone), so I suggest a three persons secretariat. Also, I think that people in secretariat should rotate every three months (maybe more, maybe less, we should talk about it). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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*What involves the "daily work" of the general secretariat?<br />
--[[User:Libertà |Libertà ]] 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
Would´t mind... daily you mean...?<br />
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===General meetings on the wiki?===<br />
* I think that our IRC General Meetings are not so useful because not all people have enough of free time at the particular moment. We have a wiki and I think that we should use it. According to my experience, I suggest three-phases wiki General Meetings: (1) one week for gathering proposals, (2) one week for discussions about proposals and (3) one week for voting (if voting is needed). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Voting and members===<br />
* I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I don't think that simple majority is a good solution. Consensus-like system should be good enough (I think that 80% majority is OK). But, as I remember, we didn't have any non-consensual decision through our almost three years of history ;) Also, a good questions are: who is voting?, which people are "us"? We should define at least a person per language who would be responsible for new people; or we should make some other mechanism... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* I think that the [http://rampart.co.nr rampART collective] constitution deals with that quite well. When you simply use their services you are a visitor, if you want to join you simply have to begin participating and on the second participation you are a part of it. Now they are quite weird, as it doesn't actually work this way in real life... but i think it would be a good thing. Let's say that if a person has at least 2 days of contritubions (whether that is articles or any other sort of contributions) the person is a part of the collective. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I learned one good lesson while participating on Serbian Wikipedia and Wikimedia Serbia: Until we were small and unknown project, we were very good. When we started to go to public, we became an easy target for people who were trying to heal their frustrations there... I don't want to talk a lot here about that experience, but I don't participate there since April. So, the point is to find a good defense positions for the community. Even we have much more similar political positions then any community on Wikipedia has, I know destructive anarchists (and what about non-anarchists who are willing to spend a lot of time to destruct one anarchist project?). So, if we want to have such fast adoption in the community, we need a fast exclusion, too... But, I think that better idea is to find some slower and safer method for adopting new members. Some of the ideas for thinking are:<br />
**# Local adoption and local rules. This may mean, but not necessarily (and maybe better not) language-based local communities. In general, this should be a model of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/affinity_group affinity groups] (btw, we don't have that article on eng:). So, we should constitute some number of affinity groups (for the beginning, we may say that we have as many affinity groups as languages Anarchopedia has) and to leave to the particular groups a way of adoption of new members (which would become members of Anarchopedian community, too). Also, we should find some way for relatively fast recognizing of affinity groups: a procedure of one week voting after some group express desire to become Anarchopedian affinity group? (We should talk a lot more about this issue. This paragraph is just a scratch...) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
**# The crucial thing in the world full of hierarchies is to find a solution between openness and integrity of our own community. So, the previous model (above) may be a good one, but, for sure, it is not the only one. So, we should talk about possible models of organizing our community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Publicity of work===<br />
* There is one more thing: If we have something which shouldn't be decided publicly (I know people who don't like to work publicly ;) ), then such decisions may be made on IRC. However, the main idea is to relax IRC decisions because of the main reason (see above). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I'm for public decisions for things that are public. For example the discussion on Anarchist Point of View must be public... but the discussion how we pay for something that needs to be paid for needs to be private if it names some people or something. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Time of the next session===<br />
* <s>In that sense, I suggest that we make 4th General Meeting on IRC (for example, at Sunday, 22nd July) just to delegate three persons for temporary secretariat who would prepare the 5th General Meeting on wiki.</s> --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* So, when would we have another session? For sure, after the a-camp, but when? Maybe to wait people to back from a-camp and to decide then? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Transparency===<br />
There will eventually be some major problems if Anarchopedia doesn't become more transparent. There needs to be a clear explanation, a '''single''' place where all the agreed rules are listed. At the very most it should be two places, one for the Anarchopedia as the whole, and one for the particular language. It should not be like Wikipedia where users learn the rules slowly as the time goes by, as this creates preferential treatment for the users that have already been a part of the project, and as such is in fact a form of hidden hierarchy. The rules that must be listed (whatever we decide these rules should say):<br />
* Point of view on Anarchopedia<br />
* Giving people software access priviledges<br />
* Blocking people for vandalism<br />
* How to propose changes to the rules<br />
[[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 15:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please see [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Finances==<br />
* We need to gather some money for hosting and domains... However, Libre should tell more where we are standing. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
**how do we organise the donations's data backup ? do i have to put that in clear (and the fact that all peoples can see it) or do i have to put the list in private just for anarchopedian peoples ? or do we put it on public/private anarchopedian-lists ? i think names don't have to be enounced in the donation's list, or maybe just pseudo (but no one could have put their pseudo when they have send their donation). problem is that, like i am the treasurer, it would need maybe some controls on money which go on accounts... you can trust in me, don't quiet. But if we were two peoples to verify money account (paypal, others), it would be best, maybe. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 17:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)'''<br />
*** I think that our finances should be transparent. This means that we should announce publicly how much money do we have and how do we spend them. People who gave money should have possibility to decide would they do that anonymously or not, but we should put the list of donations (like: person1 -- 10 EUR, anon1 -- 10 EUR, anon2 -- 20 EUR...). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
*** Yes, it is a good idea to have more than one person as treasurer. I shouldn't be that, Beta_M is willing to take a responsibility of general secretary, X doesn't like to deal with banks, so Rev is the only person on my mind now (however, maybe we have other people who are able/willing to be treasurers). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
****In fact, i think too that it must be transparent. But i thank with some last discussions, that there were a problem with money transparence... I've put [[Anarchopedia:Finances|donations's list here]]. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
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==Technical issues==<br />
* Anarchopedia is taking a lot of Tachanka's CPU (sometimes 70%). The only relevant solution is to find some money and get more resources... See finances for details ;) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*: This is a critical problem, I think. CPU usage is high but still we are not serving many pages per second. Our number of users is limited by the number of pages we can serve. I have enabled [http://anarchopedia.org/server-statistics this page] via the apache configuration, to estimate any speed improvements. Possible solutions:<br />
*:# Compiling PHP or trying other PHP code optimization. (using php5-xcache meant a 3x speed up, but we are still below 2 pages served per second). More optimization should be possible by not compiling separately the code for each language-based anarchopedia.<br />
*:# Installing and configuring an HTTP caching proxy like squid (as was used in the past), this should speed up especially the requests from search engine bots and the occasional readers, leaving more space for contributors.<br />
*:# Rate limiting the requests from search engine bots.<br />
*:# Changing from Mediawiki to a different, faster software (may not be easy).<br />
*:# Trying a different version of Mediawiki.<br />
*:# Hardware upgrade (eg. more RAM)<br />
*:~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
* We should set up a standard regarding the icons we use for certain actions of categories. This should be set up global, since the upload is on meta. This way we won’t fill up the hdds with useless images, and everything will become way more accessible. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* People upload images with lowercase first letter... this makes them inaccessible ([[:Image:black cat.png]]) and this in turn leads to duplication ([[:Image:99051.jpg]]), can this be changed in any way... possibly just by making a note on the upload page saying that it's important to keep the first letter capital. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Server===<br />
I'm not content with our server-place in USA. I also dislike a place in Europe and prefer a place in south/middle-america. How about Mexico (in example vientos.info) or Venezuela? --[[User:X|X]] 17:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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has this been sort it out?<br />
my apollogies i was kicked out.<br />
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==Ideas==<br />
* I opened test phase of "[[Anarchopedian blog]]". I think that we should talk about it at the linked page (at the moment nothing is there; I'll write something about it, but anyone who has some questions, ideas, suggestions etc. about this issue -- let (s)he feel free to start the page. The main idea of the blog is to gather community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:Maybe you already know about this, maybe you don't. I've just found it now. http://anarchoblogs.protest.net/ [[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 21:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::Good point, there is no reason to reinvent the wheel when the resources (specifically 'human resources') are not that great in our project yet. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I can't disagree with you on that but I think that the main goal of a blog, for a group or collective, is to get a way of communicating what's around, what's being done, to invite to participation,... I think it could bring the project to more real-life-connectedness (new word) - samarre (''french AP'')<br />
* Also, I think that we should start a project "[[people.anarchopedia.org]]", which should be a social networking site for anarchists, which would allow categorization by interests, ideas etc. What others think about it? I made a link to the page, so anyone interested in such project may add her/his comments there. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:I don't know if this is such a good idea. I understand you are trying to get more people on anarchopedia, and this will definitely get them, but it won’t get the type of people that would actually contribute to anarchopedia. They’ll basically just fill up their profile pages with useless junk, and use up the space on the servers for nothing. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*::Yes, this is always a problem. Maybe we should introduce blog now and to see how it is going with that... If our experience with blogs would be good enough (i.e. we got some new editors), maybe social public networking site wouldn't be so bad idea. I think that such things are needed by the online anarchist community and that we should try to make it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 11:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:I wish to disagree with this. Let's think about who will actually blog. Most likely it will be only some of the people who are already on anarchopedia, it will not bring up more people. Social networking however, does help. The problem is that it needs to be very well throught through, and it should be something well done or not done at all. I think this topic has been discussed on #anarchopedia before. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Projects space==<br />
I would like to add space on meta wiki that would be used on contact between the different apedias. A page where different apedias could explain their projects would be very helpful to understand others and maybe inspire from what they create. - [[User:Samarre-fr]]<br />
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: Iʼll definitely second this proposal. I think that there needs to be enough autonomy for the decisions made in the different communities, but others should know of what is going on. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 10:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: I propose this page: [[Anarchopedia:Inter-projects]]. If you have anything to add or note, feel free to do so. If a more international expression could fit, I would personally find it better. - samarre<br />
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==Are the projects saved?==<br />
This one will maybe be answered without needing a general assembly, but I still have this question unresolved: are the projects saved somewhere so if the site is hacked, internet goes down or whatever, the texts will be available? - samarre<br />
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==ThreadMode==<br />
I think that having people discuss articles in http://uesmod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ThreadMode is a great idea, and have articles look more like MeatballWiki-like discussions than "articles" which seems too much like NPOV to me. I believe we should include, welcome all points of view (except if they are to promote spam), but this view may be a bit flawed when it comes to authoritarians or people on the "side" of neutrality. But I think that things would be better with ThreadMode, not DocumentMode. Another thing is that we could eliminate talk pages and user talk pages (because user pages and mainspace pages will be discussions) which will save some server space. --[[User:Anonymity|'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans,'Bitstream Vera Sans';"><font color="#a00">A<font color="#a44">n<font color="#c22">o<font color="#b60">n<font color="#a77">y</font>m</font>i</font>t</font>y</font></span>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 22:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't like that idea. There are already thousands upon thousands of forums for anarchist discussion. There are also wikis which have "All Points of View" policy. But currently there is nothing like Anarchopedia. If we will try to make this project like all the others, we will lose the diversity and any reason for people to be here. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 13:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Protection==<br />
I believe that protection of pages should be a last resort, there should be a limited number of pages protected. Also protecting talk pages should not be allowed, as it disallows people from expressing something. I think that this should be one of the policies. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Anonymity==<br />
===IP addresses in database===<br />
I am currently working on the simple way to make the IP addresses stored in the database almost useless to the attacker who manages to get ahold of our database (either through social engineering or other means). My plan is to hash all the IP addresses before they get stored in the database. This way we can still compare if two IP addresses are in fact the same (allowing us to check for sockpoppetry, or to block spammers), but makes it more expensive to track down the person from the hash in the database. Negative aspects include that i'll probably have to make a slight hack in the code of MediaWiki (i will announce before doing it, and will definitely back everything up prior to that) which will make it more difficult to update to newer versions (as the hack will have to be replecated). The database aspect will be done with the trigger on mysql tables, so that change will be seemless. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
===freekiwiki===<br />
Please accept my apologies for the slowness of the delivery of the workable [http://freekiwiki.sf.net freekiwiki], i am working on it, and hope to have a release which can work propperly in synchrony with MediaWiki. I do not have the release schedule, and cannot say when i will be done, as i am performing a major redesign at the moment. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Compatibility etc. ===<br />
The only thing which I would like to be implemented in all changes is the compatibility with MediaWiki code. If we don't have such compatibility, we wouldn't be able to upgrade MediaWiki, which usually includes a very basic things, like anti-spam prevention. The best way for doing so is to make an extension for MediaWiki. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Also, we should be possible to see if two addresses belongs to the same C class. I think that such solution was made by IRC daemon (on irc.indymedia.org). In brief, particular numbers inside of IPv4 notation should be encrypted. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I have been writing a lengthy response to your post disagreeing with you, and realised that my IP hashing project won't help. If two people use the same IP they will still show up identical after the hash, and if the person can use proxy, nothing stops one from using proxy in the different C class. So here-by i am stopping the hash project. (see my proposal now below) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::New CheckUser interface (our is very old) may see client software, too (or, at least, how client software introduces themselves to web server). Very often way for making (stupid) vandalism is to use dynamic IP address of one provider, which is usually inside of the same C class. So, having some kind of sum for each IP address may be very useful. Or, at least, having a separate sum for the first three numbers of an IP address (it is not so simple to crack 2^48 of combinations even with known algorithm). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Note, also, that one thing is encryption of MediaWiki database and the other thing is encryption of Apache logs. Without solving both things, the problem is not solved. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Question: For how long do we keep the logs? Would it be possible to set up a simple script that would wipe the logs from January on Chinese New Year, and logs from February on April Fools? The same can be done with the IP addresses in the databases. I mean if after a month we still don't know if the person is a vandal or not, we won't learn that afterwards. I am not talking about IPs which were blocked, or even IPs of the users who aren't logged in, but rather the IPs which are stored for the logged in users in the recentchanges table. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Generally, until the disk is full (or until Anarchopedia is moving on some other server) and after that an Anarchopedian with good enough Internet connection and enough of space on their hard disk is backupping logs. My personal opinion about logs is that they are our history and that they should be kept somewhere out of servers (encrypted, whatever). However, if dominant opinion is to delete logs, it is OK for me (I understand privacy concerns). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I also agree that we need to be compatible, but I cannot program, therefore, I don't think I can help. --[[User:Anonymity|Anon.]] | [[User talk:Anonymity|Talk]] ''([[Special:Emailuser/Anonymity|<font color="#d34700">@</font>]]'' 23:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==what's an APOV==<br />
*Following the last G.M., some anarchists were leaving the project cause that acceptance of capitalistsPOV in here. do we have to leave all this project and going on (e.g) infoshop ?<br />
*post-modernism terminology, capitalist terminology, socialist terminology, anarchist terminology ? what's freedom and equality ? do we need authoritarians theories to live and practice anarchy ?<br />
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-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
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(The next text was originally written in Russian about ruWikipedia and posted at [[rus:User:Caesarion/ÐТЗ]]. There are minor differences between ru and en Wikipedias, but you should understand me)<br />
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One of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:5 five pillars] of Wikipedia is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPOV NPOV] (neutral point of view). In a nutshell: 'All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias.' I want to remind two types of violation: 1) bias; 2) incompleteness.<br />
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There is APOV (anarchistic point of view) in Anarchopedia, but there is no concensus what it is. I'll try to formulate it.<br />
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Well. Wikipedia's definition consists of 2 parts. The first tells that editors must present facts, but mustn't propagandize that one fact is true and other is wrong. The second tells that all points of view must be presented fully and proportionally.<br />
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APOV consist of 2 parts, too. And the first is the same as Wikipedia has: APOV requires only presentation of facts, but no propaganda. The difference is in the second part.<br />
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APOV requires acquaintance with all points of view (completeness must be), but only acquaintance. And fully consideration is needed only from the view of anarchist (or anarchists, because anarchism consists of many schools). Also there must be criticism (if any) of these points of view.<br />
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Well, I'll try to formulate the second part of APOV: all point of view must be presented, but fully consideration is needed only for the anarchists points of view (and their criticism).<br />
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Finally I want to remind, that Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, but not a mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misha_Verbitsky Misha Verbitsky] wrote in his book 'Anticopyright' words, which, I think, must be the first rule of any thematic wiki-encyclopaedia:<br />
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<p>Discussion of arguments pros and cons copyright is a stupid work; it is like religious debate about advantages of Linux over Microsoft (and vice versa) or criminal Yeltsin's gang (which must be judged) and necessity of market reforms. Adherents of different points of view have no chances to come to an agreement, and even won't listen to each other.</p><br />
<p>Of cource, it is impossible to get any sense from these arguments. Idea, any idea, could win only if its opponents will die. Point of this book is not to persuade anyone; persuasion is the product of high salary or when someone is hit with something heavy on the head. This book is not for that, but for fixing of different instructive stories about anticopyright.</p><br />
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-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:oops sorry, i didn't see that there were a response. <br />
:i think APOV have to be depending of an anarchist perspective. all point of view can be stated but the perspective of articles have to be anarchist. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]''' 7 February 2009.<br />
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== Case-sensitivity of the first character ==<br />
First of all two links: [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_name#Case-sensitivity_of_the_first_character]. So, let's talk about $wgCapitalLinks. Now the first character is case-sensitive in many (A)pedias. I'm not sure it is the best. I'll try to summarize the pros and cons (please feel free to edit).<br />
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=== Arguments for the first character ''should'' be case-sensitive ===<br />
* Depending on the first character some words have different meanings. E.g. '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Internet Internet]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/internet internet]''' or '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/God God]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/god god]'''.<br />
* The only extra action editor must do is to add '''''also''''' template in the beginning of the article.<br />
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=== Arguments for the first character ''should not'' be case-sensitive ===<br />
* Not so mush words have different meanings. Wikipedia also has articles '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet Internet]''' and '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God God]''', but it is not a problem. (A)pedia is an encyclopaedia, not a dictionary, so it is better to do as Wikipedia does.<br />
* Somebody could forget to add '''''also''''' template. And somebody could forget the meaning of the word when he or she makes link. Mechanism of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation disambiguation page] garantees no errors like these.<br />
* Sometimes link could be in the beginning of sentence, sometimes in the middle. There are 2 solutions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Piped_links piped links] and redirects. But it is easier to make unpiped links then piped. And make redirects for MOST articles is not the best.<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
We must understand the goal and the means. The goal is clear: to differ meanings of one word. The means is also clear: each meaning should have its own article. I hope everyone agrees with this.<br />
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The question is which mechanism is better: case-sensitivity of the first character or disambiguation page? Ex facte the first mechanism is looked more natural. But judge not of men and things at first sight! Yes, I agree, the second mechanism is more sophisticated, but it has one really big advantage: it prevents errors. It will be impossible to confuse one article with another, because there will be only one disambiguation page for both links and two articles with really different names. So I think we should use case-'''in'''sensitive first character in all (A)pedias. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarchopedia is... ==<br />
What is Anarchopedia? Now this simple question doesn't have the only answer. Look at this:<br />
* A People's Encyclopedia. Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.' -- [[Main Page]]<br />
* NULL -- [[eng:Main Page]]<br />
* Anarchopedia is a repository of information freely editable by anyone with few, if any restrictions.' -- [[eng:Anarchopedia:About]]<br />
* Anarcopedia es la primera enciclopedia wiki anarquista.' -- [[spa:Portada]]<br />
* Anarcopédia, A enciclopédia libertária.' -- [[por:Página principal]]<br />
* a primeira enciclopédia wiki anarquista' -- [[por:Anarcopédia]]<br />
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I think it is very important to understand what we are (and what we are not) and to formulate it in a few sentonces and post it in every main page (and other suitable places). So let's write down statements (to reach a consensus) and then we should combine them in a few (better one) sentences.<br />
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=== Anarchopedia is ===<br />
* '''Multilanguage wiki-face of world anarchism.'''<br />
: Is it forever, that anarchopedia.org uses wiki and only wiki? Will we use any other technology together with wiki?<br />
: Is it true that we are the world face? Is there any bigger, more popular site like Anarchopedia?<br />
* '''An experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.'''<br />
* '''At least a part of Anarchopedia is encyclopaedia.'''<br />
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=== Is Anarchopedia? ===<br />
* '''Anarchist community?'''<br />
: I disagree that Anarchopedia is a place for anarchists only. I think Anarchopedia is a place where all people could get (and put) information about anarchism. <br />
* '''Nothing but encyclopaedia?'''<br />
: Of cource, encyclopaedia about anarchism is the main idea of this site. I think we shouldn't stop. We have wiki, so it is possible for example to publish online (or store scans of offline) newpaper about anarchism.<br />
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=== Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not ===<br />
* '''Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda.'''<br />
: Encyclopaedia must contain no propaganda. Encyclopaedia must tell truth independently of its authors views. In other places (e.g. on the users personal pages) propaganda is acceptable, but not in encyclopaedia.<br />
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-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What is truth ? isn't there capitalist's truth, statist's truth, anarchist's truth and others differents truth depending on your point of view ? i think there's an anarchist's truth, and that anarchopedia have to take an APOV, or, to die in post-modernism restricto-terminologisation novlang. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 21:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)'''<br />
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:: Scientific facts are truth. I hope everyone agree that there is no capitalism/statist/anarchistic/other science. 'There are much more straights than gays' -- it is fact. 'Gays are worse/better than straight' -- it is not fact, it is opinion of some people. If we write an article about gays, we must tell about this opinion and about people who participate it, but we mustn't assert that it is true or false. And even in the article 'anarchy' we mustn't assert that anarchy is better than authority. -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 21:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<!-- i talk very badly english, and i am not a scientific --><br />
:::Ok i understand what you meant first ; It is taking a scientific POV about truth. But it exist differents scientific POV about things, differents theories... and some theories can be false (Geocentric model, Germ theory of disease), cause basis are bad.<br />
:::"terminology" can having differents meanings depending POV. And that even science can't cut and saying what is the good terminology or good signifiance of words... there's history of terminology depending movements. Anarchism own his terminology, by his history, which is not the same that capitalists/statists/others ones... Meanings can change with history and evolution of life/society, but not the basis (hypothesis, axioms ?)... <br />
:::By example : Anarchism fight for Liberty and equality which are the opposite to authority. Hierarchical is authoritarian, then theories which defend hierarchical are authoritarian, and are opposite to liberty and equality, then to anarchism. by example, "anarcho"-capitalism defend hierarchical, then there's nothing anarchism in that theory. Then a definition/introduction must explain clearly in the article that it is not anarchism, but an oxymoron, a false theory.<br />
:::And to reply to "Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not... Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda" ; it existed an "[[anarchistic encyclopaedia|anarchist encyclopedia]]" which was written by anarchists (and near) in which you can read some really good anarchist propaganda... Then if Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, and that there's no anarchist propaganda, why this "Anarcho"-encyclopaedia-project ?<br />
:::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
:::: If there are several definitions of a term, must write down all of them. E.g. for the article 'anarcho-capitalism' it should be something like this:<blockquote><br />
::::: Anarcho-capitalists (and most researchers and some other anarchists, e.g. anarcho-individualists) state, that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism...<br><br>Most other anarchists (especially anarcho-communists and anarcho-collectivists) state, that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other.<br />
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:::: Such definition covers all of the meanings and propagandizes nothing. This is what any encyclopedia must be.<br />
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:::: I didn't read "anarchist encyclopedia", but who calls it an 'encyclopedia'? Themselves, I think. To call oneself and to be -- it is not the same. If they propagandize something, they are not an encyclopedia.<br />
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:::: And Anarchopedia is 'anarcho' because, firstly, it isn't a general encyclopedia like Wikipedia is. There must be no articles in Anarchopedia which have no relation to anarchism. And secondly, Anarchopedia is an experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.<br />
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:::: -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 08:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::In that example of definition, it take a capitalist POV, under a scientific neutral POV bias. It define implicitly hypothesis that "Anarchism" beeing only against state, then like capitalists are against actual form of state (in fact "a"-c want their private state, their private monopole of force to protect their private property) it allow to enounce it like being in anarchism, but it's a false hypothesis, cause anarchism is against all form of state (private, public, etc) and hierarchies... The hypothesis of this definition is false. with a such hypothesis, we can add in all sort of authoritarian theories/movements, which don't accept actual State... but would want their particular State. That is a scientific and libertarian POV i enounce, and not a scientific and neutral POV. I don't believe in neutrality. Neutrality is for wp. Neutralism is for mainstream. I am for an anarchist perspectivism. The aim is anarchy, means have to be connected to that, and vis versa.<br />
:::::This definition take a capitalist POV, it use in the defintion all their ideological/terminological bias. And that is scientific, it just search all their propaganda, it use the same. it reproducte their ideology.<br />
:::::There's no need to allow capitalist propaganda to use Anarchopedia, wikipedia (or others) is enough for them.<br />
:::::I am an anarchist without adjectives, i recognize all form of anarchism, and i reject all '''archists'''. '''capitalists''' can't be anarchists, cause they are '''hierarchists'''. they are only a radical form of liberalism.<br />
:::::What it is written like example of definition can't be an introduction. it can be just a debate beetween Anarchism and "A"-capitalism. But an introduction need a scientific and non-neutral POV. <br />
:::::in [[:eng:anarcho-capitalism]], i propose to enounce a minimal introduction of that theory depdnding a anarchist perspective :<blockquote><br />
:::::"''The "anarcho"-capitalism is a liberal political philosophy and theory, non-anarchist, who want to privatize state for the benefit of capitalist competing companies. They defend actual economical and social hierarchy. Anarcho-capitalists state that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism... They attempts to reconcile capitalism, as defined in classical liberalism, with Anarchism and anarchist themes such as opposition to the State and individual freedom. Most other anarchists state that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other, and that anti-statism and individual freedom aren't sufficient to be enounced like "anarchist"''"<br />
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:::::About the "anarchist encyclopedia" (only in french), it is sure it wasn't a "neutralist encyclopedia". Articles of that "anarchist encyclopedia" are reproducted in here : [http://www.encyclopedie-anarchiste.org/index.html l'Encyclopédie Anarchiste de Sébastien Faure].<br />
:::::In fact, even the "Encyclopedia - a systematic dictionary of the sciences, arts, and crafts -" from Diderot and d'Alembert had the aim to fight religious and political fanatism, and apologize rational and freedom spirit. I think Anarchopedia can fight against economical and political authoritarism in all sorts... like capitalism, statism, nationalism, etc. Do we have to support authoritarians views which presents themselves like libertarians ? no. We know what was/is wrong with moralist (religious & co) authoritarians, we know what was/is wrong with economics (capitalists & co) and politicals (statists & co) authoritarians... and we are, anarchist, anti-authoritarians. do we have to having shame of that ?<br />
:::::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 11:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)'''<br />
:::::: Let's leave the discussion of ideologies to their actual pages, shall we? There's no shame in describing what anarchism is and stands for- in fact, the Wiki can at present be used as a highly useful guide to anarchy for archists. Let's stick to discussing the wiki as a whole.<br />
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There are too many irrelevant articles. And too many red links, which, if created, would only add to the list of irrelevant articles. Is this an encyclopedia of anarchism, or just another general encyclopedia, created primarily by anarchists? I suppose a general encyclopedia without the problematic restrictions of Wikipedia might be beneficial, but in general those restrictions aren't really problematic. Their NPOV policy is good for most general issues. It's when we start talking about contentious issues, like anarchism, that it becomes a problem -- and that's where an encyclopedia of anarchism becomes necessary. I think this encyclopedia should be limited to the subject at hand. Irrelevant articles should be deleted, and red links should not be made if the articles they initiate would be irrelevant. Instead, we should simply link to Wikipedia (or some other general encyclopedia) for general and irrelevant issues. I'm sure we could play "seven degrees of separation" and find tangential relevance for just about any issue, but common sense is enough to tell us which articles need to be here and which don't. I'm not implying rules and enforcement here, just consensus agreement and self-restraint. The current consensus seems to be for the project to become a general encyclopedia, written mostly from the anarchist perspective. I suggest we rethink this. I suggest an encyclopedia of anarchism, limited accordingly, by agreement. --[[User:Razor6|Razor6]] 20:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I would suggest that we leave aside the term "truth" for the purposes of this discussion. I think that the standard for posting should be factual accuracy, with the understanding that facts can be interpreted in myriad different ways. The idea of "neutral POV" is an oxymoron; no point of view is every really neutral. It would make more sense, in my opinion, to allow for multiple points of view on the same basic facts as long as those points of view are made as explicit as possible.<br />
--[[User:elisa]]<br />
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While it is neither necessary nor practical to insist that truth is required, it seems to me entirely possible to infer that the search for truth, at least, is part of the goals of this encyclopaedia. That way we are not caught in the trap that WP got in: Verifiability Uber Alles, and other devotions to compromises. Ignore All Rules never gets used in WP, and that is why. If you are not allergic to European history, read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance Auld Alliance] for an example of the potential truth or at least beauty of 'essays'; every day I pray some deletionist Philistine does not get ahold of that article.[[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 07:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=== Wholesale deletion of articles ===<br />
I believe everything on the Spanish Civil War has either been deleted or removed, probably by some capitalist who came across the website. Try to look any information up on it, you will end up with nothing. Yesterday it was all there, but today there is nothing on the Spanish Civil War.<br />
--[[User:XC(A)libur]] <br>Anarchangel moved this comment on 25 Sept [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>I concur; I rewrote a Spanish Civil War article, and it also was deleted; the record of my writing it disappeared from my Contributions. That would have taken an administrator to accomplish on WP, I dunno about here. I wrote a Guatemala coup of 1954, Democracy Now!, and numerous other articles; they were all deleted, and again, the record disappeared. Please please pay attention to this problem, I really want to contribute here but I cannot if it is all for nothing. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
My bad, sorry. When anyone clicks on the link to this discussion, they get moved to Meta, and Meta shows none of the contributions for Anarchopedia, nor is there an obvious link back to Anarchopedia. All my articles are still here. Or, there. You know what I mean. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</div>
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==Organizational==<br />
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===Date and time===<br />
Please put down when you can attend the General Meeting in order of preference:<br />
* December 4 (8-20 UTC), December 1 (8-12 UTC), December 8 (8-12 UTC), December 11 (8-20 UTC) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] - Sorry can't do December 11th [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 12:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
* December 4 (16-20 UTC), December 11 (16-20 UTC) [[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]]<br />
* Unfortunately I will be out of the Internet for some days, so I will not be able to attend the meeting, but I will try to provide some suggestions regarding technical issues in this page. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 16:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
* December 8 and after. - Samarre, french encyclopedia<br />
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===General secretary?===<br />
* We need at least a person who would take care about daily jobs in our community; i.e. we need a secretary. I think that it shouldn't be one person (first of all, because it is hard to work alone), so I suggest a three persons secretariat. Also, I think that people in secretariat should rotate every three months (maybe more, maybe less, we should talk about it). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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*What involves the "daily work" of the general secretariat?<br />
--[[User:Libertà |Libertà ]] 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
Would´t mind... daily you mean...?<br />
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===General meetings on the wiki?===<br />
* I think that our IRC General Meetings are not so useful because not all people have enough of free time at the particular moment. We have a wiki and I think that we should use it. According to my experience, I suggest three-phases wiki General Meetings: (1) one week for gathering proposals, (2) one week for discussions about proposals and (3) one week for voting (if voting is needed). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Voting and members===<br />
* I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I don't think that simple majority is a good solution. Consensus-like system should be good enough (I think that 80% majority is OK). But, as I remember, we didn't have any non-consensual decision through our almost three years of history ;) Also, a good questions are: who is voting?, which people are "us"? We should define at least a person per language who would be responsible for new people; or we should make some other mechanism... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* I think that the [http://rampart.co.nr rampART collective] constitution deals with that quite well. When you simply use their services you are a visitor, if you want to join you simply have to begin participating and on the second participation you are a part of it. Now they are quite weird, as it doesn't actually work this way in real life... but i think it would be a good thing. Let's say that if a person has at least 2 days of contritubions (whether that is articles or any other sort of contributions) the person is a part of the collective. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I learned one good lesson while participating on Serbian Wikipedia and Wikimedia Serbia: Until we were small and unknown project, we were very good. When we started to go to public, we became an easy target for people who were trying to heal their frustrations there... I don't want to talk a lot here about that experience, but I don't participate there since April. So, the point is to find a good defense positions for the community. Even we have much more similar political positions then any community on Wikipedia has, I know destructive anarchists (and what about non-anarchists who are willing to spend a lot of time to destruct one anarchist project?). So, if we want to have such fast adoption in the community, we need a fast exclusion, too... But, I think that better idea is to find some slower and safer method for adopting new members. Some of the ideas for thinking are:<br />
**# Local adoption and local rules. This may mean, but not necessarily (and maybe better not) language-based local communities. In general, this should be a model of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/affinity_group affinity groups] (btw, we don't have that article on eng:). So, we should constitute some number of affinity groups (for the beginning, we may say that we have as many affinity groups as languages Anarchopedia has) and to leave to the particular groups a way of adoption of new members (which would become members of Anarchopedian community, too). Also, we should find some way for relatively fast recognizing of affinity groups: a procedure of one week voting after some group express desire to become Anarchopedian affinity group? (We should talk a lot more about this issue. This paragraph is just a scratch...) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
**# The crucial thing in the world full of hierarchies is to find a solution between openness and integrity of our own community. So, the previous model (above) may be a good one, but, for sure, it is not the only one. So, we should talk about possible models of organizing our community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Publicity of work===<br />
* There is one more thing: If we have something which shouldn't be decided publicly (I know people who don't like to work publicly ;) ), then such decisions may be made on IRC. However, the main idea is to relax IRC decisions because of the main reason (see above). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I'm for public decisions for things that are public. For example the discussion on Anarchist Point of View must be public... but the discussion how we pay for something that needs to be paid for needs to be private if it names some people or something. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Time of the next session===<br />
* <s>In that sense, I suggest that we make 4th General Meeting on IRC (for example, at Sunday, 22nd July) just to delegate three persons for temporary secretariat who would prepare the 5th General Meeting on wiki.</s> --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* So, when would we have another session? For sure, after the a-camp, but when? Maybe to wait people to back from a-camp and to decide then? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Transparency===<br />
There will eventually be some major problems if Anarchopedia doesn't become more transparent. There needs to be a clear explanation, a '''single''' place where all the agreed rules are listed. At the very most it should be two places, one for the Anarchopedia as the whole, and one for the particular language. It should not be like Wikipedia where users learn the rules slowly as the time goes by, as this creates preferential treatment for the users that have already been a part of the project, and as such is in fact a form of hidden hierarchy. The rules that must be listed (whatever we decide these rules should say):<br />
* Point of view on Anarchopedia<br />
* Giving people software access priviledges<br />
* Blocking people for vandalism<br />
* How to propose changes to the rules<br />
[[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 15:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please see [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Finances==<br />
* We need to gather some money for hosting and domains... However, Libre should tell more where we are standing. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
**how do we organise the donations's data backup ? do i have to put that in clear (and the fact that all peoples can see it) or do i have to put the list in private just for anarchopedian peoples ? or do we put it on public/private anarchopedian-lists ? i think names don't have to be enounced in the donation's list, or maybe just pseudo (but no one could have put their pseudo when they have send their donation). problem is that, like i am the treasurer, it would need maybe some controls on money which go on accounts... you can trust in me, don't quiet. But if we were two peoples to verify money account (paypal, others), it would be best, maybe. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 17:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)'''<br />
*** I think that our finances should be transparent. This means that we should announce publicly how much money do we have and how do we spend them. People who gave money should have possibility to decide would they do that anonymously or not, but we should put the list of donations (like: person1 -- 10 EUR, anon1 -- 10 EUR, anon2 -- 20 EUR...). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
*** Yes, it is a good idea to have more than one person as treasurer. I shouldn't be that, Beta_M is willing to take a responsibility of general secretary, X doesn't like to deal with banks, so Rev is the only person on my mind now (however, maybe we have other people who are able/willing to be treasurers). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
****In fact, i think too that it must be transparent. But i thank with some last discussions, that there were a problem with money transparence... I've put [[Anarchopedia:Finances|donations's list here]]. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
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==Technical issues==<br />
* Anarchopedia is taking a lot of Tachanka's CPU (sometimes 70%). The only relevant solution is to find some money and get more resources... See finances for details ;) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*: This is a critical problem, I think. CPU usage is high but still we are not serving many pages per second. Our number of users is limited by the number of pages we can serve. I have enabled [http://anarchopedia.org/server-statistics this page] via the apache configuration, to estimate any speed improvements. Possible solutions:<br />
*:# Compiling PHP or trying other PHP code optimization. (using php5-xcache meant a 3x speed up, but we are still below 2 pages served per second). More optimization should be possible by not compiling separately the code for each language-based anarchopedia.<br />
*:# Installing and configuring an HTTP caching proxy like squid (as was used in the past), this should speed up especially the requests from search engine bots and the occasional readers, leaving more space for contributors.<br />
*:# Rate limiting the requests from search engine bots.<br />
*:# Changing from Mediawiki to a different, faster software (may not be easy).<br />
*:# Trying a different version of Mediawiki.<br />
*:# Hardware upgrade (eg. more RAM)<br />
*:~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
* We should set up a standard regarding the icons we use for certain actions of categories. This should be set up global, since the upload is on meta. This way we won’t fill up the hdds with useless images, and everything will become way more accessible. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* People upload images with lowercase first letter... this makes them inaccessible ([[:Image:black cat.png]]) and this in turn leads to duplication ([[:Image:99051.jpg]]), can this be changed in any way... possibly just by making a note on the upload page saying that it's important to keep the first letter capital. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Server===<br />
I'm not content with our server-place in USA. I also dislike a place in Europe and prefer a place in south/middle-america. How about Mexico (in example vientos.info) or Venezuela? --[[User:X|X]] 17:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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has this been sort it out?<br />
my apollogies i was kicked out.<br />
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==Ideas==<br />
* I opened test phase of "[[Anarchopedian blog]]". I think that we should talk about it at the linked page (at the moment nothing is there; I'll write something about it, but anyone who has some questions, ideas, suggestions etc. about this issue -- let (s)he feel free to start the page. The main idea of the blog is to gather community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:Maybe you already know about this, maybe you don't. I've just found it now. http://anarchoblogs.protest.net/ [[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 21:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::Good point, there is no reason to reinvent the wheel when the resources (specifically 'human resources') are not that great in our project yet. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I can't disagree with you on that but I think that the main goal of a blog, for a group or collective, is to get a way of communicating what's around, what's being done, to invite to participation,... I think it could bring the project to more real-life-connectedness (new word) - samarre (''french AP'')<br />
* Also, I think that we should start a project "[[people.anarchopedia.org]]", which should be a social networking site for anarchists, which would allow categorization by interests, ideas etc. What others think about it? I made a link to the page, so anyone interested in such project may add her/his comments there. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:I don't know if this is such a good idea. I understand you are trying to get more people on anarchopedia, and this will definitely get them, but it won’t get the type of people that would actually contribute to anarchopedia. They’ll basically just fill up their profile pages with useless junk, and use up the space on the servers for nothing. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*::Yes, this is always a problem. Maybe we should introduce blog now and to see how it is going with that... If our experience with blogs would be good enough (i.e. we got some new editors), maybe social public networking site wouldn't be so bad idea. I think that such things are needed by the online anarchist community and that we should try to make it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 11:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:I wish to disagree with this. Let's think about who will actually blog. Most likely it will be only some of the people who are already on anarchopedia, it will not bring up more people. Social networking however, does help. The problem is that it needs to be very well throught through, and it should be something well done or not done at all. I think this topic has been discussed on #anarchopedia before. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Projects space==<br />
I would like to add space on meta wiki that would be used on contact between the different apedias. A page where different apedias could explain their projects would be very helpful to understand others and maybe inspire from what they create. - [[User:Samarre-fr]]<br />
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: Iʼll definitely second this proposal. I think that there needs to be enough autonomy for the decisions made in the different communities, but others should know of what is going on. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 10:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: I propose this page: [[Anarchopedia:Inter-projects]]. If you have anything to add or note, feel free to do so. If a more international expression could fit, I would personally find it better. - samarre<br />
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==Are the projects saved?==<br />
This one will maybe be answered without needing a general assembly, but I still have this question unresolved: are the projects saved somewhere so if the site is hacked, internet goes down or whatever, the texts will be available? - samarre<br />
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==ThreadMode==<br />
I think that having people discuss articles in http://uesmod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ThreadMode is a great idea, and have articles look more like MeatballWiki-like discussions than "articles" which seems too much like NPOV to me. I believe we should include, welcome all points of view (except if they are to promote spam), but this view may be a bit flawed when it comes to authoritarians or people on the "side" of neutrality. But I think that things would be better with ThreadMode, not DocumentMode. Another thing is that we could eliminate talk pages and user talk pages (because user pages and mainspace pages will be discussions) which will save some server space. --[[User:Anonymity|'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans,'Bitstream Vera Sans';"><font color="#a00">A<font color="#a44">n<font color="#c22">o<font color="#b60">n<font color="#a77">y</font>m</font>i</font>t</font>y</font></span>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 22:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't like that idea. There are already thousands upon thousands of forums for anarchist discussion. There are also wikis which have "All Points of View" policy. But currently there is nothing like Anarchopedia. If we will try to make this project like all the others, we will lose the diversity and any reason for people to be here. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 13:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Protection==<br />
I believe that protection of pages should be a last resort, there should be a limited number of pages protected. Also protecting talk pages should not be allowed, as it disallows people from expressing something. I think that this should be one of the policies. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Anonymity==<br />
===IP addresses in database===<br />
I am currently working on the simple way to make the IP addresses stored in the database almost useless to the attacker who manages to get ahold of our database (either through social engineering or other means). My plan is to hash all the IP addresses before they get stored in the database. This way we can still compare if two IP addresses are in fact the same (allowing us to check for sockpoppetry, or to block spammers), but makes it more expensive to track down the person from the hash in the database. Negative aspects include that i'll probably have to make a slight hack in the code of MediaWiki (i will announce before doing it, and will definitely back everything up prior to that) which will make it more difficult to update to newer versions (as the hack will have to be replecated). The database aspect will be done with the trigger on mysql tables, so that change will be seemless. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
===freekiwiki===<br />
Please accept my apologies for the slowness of the delivery of the workable [http://freekiwiki.sf.net freekiwiki], i am working on it, and hope to have a release which can work propperly in synchrony with MediaWiki. I do not have the release schedule, and cannot say when i will be done, as i am performing a major redesign at the moment. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Compatibility etc. ===<br />
The only thing which I would like to be implemented in all changes is the compatibility with MediaWiki code. If we don't have such compatibility, we wouldn't be able to upgrade MediaWiki, which usually includes a very basic things, like anti-spam prevention. The best way for doing so is to make an extension for MediaWiki. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Also, we should be possible to see if two addresses belongs to the same C class. I think that such solution was made by IRC daemon (on irc.indymedia.org). In brief, particular numbers inside of IPv4 notation should be encrypted. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I have been writing a lengthy response to your post disagreeing with you, and realised that my IP hashing project won't help. If two people use the same IP they will still show up identical after the hash, and if the person can use proxy, nothing stops one from using proxy in the different C class. So here-by i am stopping the hash project. (see my proposal now below) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::New CheckUser interface (our is very old) may see client software, too (or, at least, how client software introduces themselves to web server). Very often way for making (stupid) vandalism is to use dynamic IP address of one provider, which is usually inside of the same C class. So, having some kind of sum for each IP address may be very useful. Or, at least, having a separate sum for the first three numbers of an IP address (it is not so simple to crack 2^48 of combinations even with known algorithm). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Note, also, that one thing is encryption of MediaWiki database and the other thing is encryption of Apache logs. Without solving both things, the problem is not solved. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Question: For how long do we keep the logs? Would it be possible to set up a simple script that would wipe the logs from January on Chinese New Year, and logs from February on April Fools? The same can be done with the IP addresses in the databases. I mean if after a month we still don't know if the person is a vandal or not, we won't learn that afterwards. I am not talking about IPs which were blocked, or even IPs of the users who aren't logged in, but rather the IPs which are stored for the logged in users in the recentchanges table. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Generally, until the disk is full (or until Anarchopedia is moving on some other server) and after that an Anarchopedian with good enough Internet connection and enough of space on their hard disk is backupping logs. My personal opinion about logs is that they are our history and that they should be kept somewhere out of servers (encrypted, whatever). However, if dominant opinion is to delete logs, it is OK for me (I understand privacy concerns). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I also agree that we need to be compatible, but I cannot program, therefore, I don't think I can help. --[[User:Anonymity|Anon.]] | [[User talk:Anonymity|Talk]] ''([[Special:Emailuser/Anonymity|<font color="#d34700">@</font>]]'' 23:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==what's an APOV==<br />
*Following the last G.M., some anarchists were leaving the project cause that acceptance of capitalistsPOV in here. do we have to leave all this project and going on (e.g) infoshop ?<br />
*post-modernism terminology, capitalist terminology, socialist terminology, anarchist terminology ? what's freedom and equality ? do we need authoritarians theories to live and practice anarchy ?<br />
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-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
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One of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:5 five pillars] of Wikipedia is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPOV NPOV] (neutral point of view). In a nutshell: 'All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias.' I want to remind two types of violation: 1) bias; 2) incompleteness.<br />
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There is APOV (anarchistic point of view) in Anarchopedia, but there is no concensus what it is. I'll try to formulate it.<br />
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Well. Wikipedia's definition consists of 2 parts. The first tells that editors must present facts, but mustn't propagandize that one fact is true and other is wrong. The second tells that all points of view must be presented fully and proportionally.<br />
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APOV consist of 2 parts, too. And the first is the same as Wikipedia has: APOV requires only presentation of facts, but no propaganda. The difference is in the second part.<br />
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APOV requires acquaintance with all points of view (completeness must be), but only acquaintance. And fully consideration is needed only from the view of anarchist (or anarchists, because anarchism consists of many schools). Also there must be criticism (if any) of these points of view.<br />
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Well, I'll try to formulate the second part of APOV: all point of view must be presented, but fully consideration is needed only for the anarchists points of view (and their criticism).<br />
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Finally I want to remind, that Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, but not a mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misha_Verbitsky Misha Verbitsky] wrote in his book 'Anticopyright' words, which, I think, must be the first rule of any thematic wiki-encyclopaedia:<br />
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<p>Discussion of arguments pros and cons copyright is a stupid work; it is like religious debate about advantages of Linux over Microsoft (and vice versa) or criminal Yeltsin's gang (which must be judged) and necessity of market reforms. Adherents of different points of view have no chances to come to an agreement, and even won't listen to each other.</p><br />
<p>Of cource, it is impossible to get any sense from these arguments. Idea, any idea, could win only if its opponents will die. Point of this book is not to persuade anyone; persuasion is the product of high salary or when someone is hit with something heavy on the head. This book is not for that, but for fixing of different instructive stories about anticopyright.</p><br />
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-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:oops sorry, i didn't see that there were a response. <br />
:i think APOV have to be depending of an anarchist perspective. all point of view can be stated but the perspective of articles have to be anarchist. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]''' 7 February 2009.<br />
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== Case-sensitivity of the first character ==<br />
First of all two links: [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_name#Case-sensitivity_of_the_first_character]. So, let's talk about $wgCapitalLinks. Now the first character is case-sensitive in many (A)pedias. I'm not sure it is the best. I'll try to summarize the pros and cons (please feel free to edit).<br />
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=== Arguments for the first character ''should'' be case-sensitive ===<br />
* Depending on the first character some words have different meanings. E.g. '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Internet Internet]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/internet internet]''' or '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/God God]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/god god]'''.<br />
* The only extra action editor must do is to add '''''also''''' template in the beginning of the article.<br />
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=== Arguments for the first character ''should not'' be case-sensitive ===<br />
* Not so mush words have different meanings. Wikipedia also has articles '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet Internet]''' and '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God God]''', but it is not a problem. (A)pedia is an encyclopaedia, not a dictionary, so it is better to do as Wikipedia does.<br />
* Somebody could forget to add '''''also''''' template. And somebody could forget the meaning of the word when he or she makes link. Mechanism of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation disambiguation page] garantees no errors like these.<br />
* Sometimes link could be in the beginning of sentence, sometimes in the middle. There are 2 solutions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Piped_links piped links] and redirects. But it is easier to make unpiped links then piped. And make redirects for MOST articles is not the best.<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
We must understand the goal and the means. The goal is clear: to differ meanings of one word. The means is also clear: each meaning should have its own article. I hope everyone agrees with this.<br />
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The question is which mechanism is better: case-sensitivity of the first character or disambiguation page? Ex facte the first mechanism is looked more natural. But judge not of men and things at first sight! Yes, I agree, the second mechanism is more sophisticated, but it has one really big advantage: it prevents errors. It will be impossible to confuse one article with another, because there will be only one disambiguation page for both links and two articles with really different names. So I think we should use case-'''in'''sensitive first character in all (A)pedias. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarchopedia is... ==<br />
What is Anarchopedia? Now this simple question doesn't have the only answer. Look at this:<br />
* A People's Encyclopedia. Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.' -- [[Main Page]]<br />
* NULL -- [[eng:Main Page]]<br />
* Anarchopedia is a repository of information freely editable by anyone with few, if any restrictions.' -- [[eng:Anarchopedia:About]]<br />
* Anarcopedia es la primera enciclopedia wiki anarquista.' -- [[spa:Portada]]<br />
* Anarcopédia, A enciclopédia libertária.' -- [[por:Página principal]]<br />
* a primeira enciclopédia wiki anarquista' -- [[por:Anarcopédia]]<br />
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I think it is very important to understand what we are (and what we are not) and to formulate it in a few sentonces and post it in every main page (and other suitable places). So let's write down statements (to reach a consensus) and then we should combine them in a few (better one) sentences.<br />
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=== Anarchopedia is ===<br />
* '''Multilanguage wiki-face of world anarchism.'''<br />
: Is it forever, that anarchopedia.org uses wiki and only wiki? Will we use any other technology together with wiki?<br />
: Is it true that we are the world face? Is there any bigger, more popular site like Anarchopedia?<br />
* '''An experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.'''<br />
* '''At least a part of Anarchopedia is encyclopaedia.'''<br />
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=== Is Anarchopedia? ===<br />
* '''Anarchist community?'''<br />
: I disagree that Anarchopedia is a place for anarchists only. I think Anarchopedia is a place where all people could get (and put) information about anarchism. <br />
* '''Nothing but encyclopaedia?'''<br />
: Of cource, encyclopaedia about anarchism is the main idea of this site. I think we shouldn't stop. We have wiki, so it is possible for example to publish online (or store scans of offline) newpaper about anarchism.<br />
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=== Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not ===<br />
* '''Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda.'''<br />
: Encyclopaedia must contain no propaganda. Encyclopaedia must tell truth independently of its authors views. In other places (e.g. on the users personal pages) propaganda is acceptable, but not in encyclopaedia.<br />
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-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What is truth ? isn't there capitalist's truth, statist's truth, anarchist's truth and others differents truth depending on your point of view ? i think there's an anarchist's truth, and that anarchopedia have to take an APOV, or, to die in post-modernism restricto-terminologisation novlang. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 21:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)'''<br />
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:: Scientific facts are truth. I hope everyone agree that there is no capitalism/statist/anarchistic/other science. 'There are much more straights than gays' -- it is fact. 'Gays are worse/better than straight' -- it is not fact, it is opinion of some people. If we write an article about gays, we must tell about this opinion and about people who participate it, but we mustn't assert that it is true or false. And even in the article 'anarchy' we mustn't assert that anarchy is better than authority. -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 21:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ok i understand what you meant first ; It is taking a scientific POV about truth. But it exist differents scientific POV about things, differents theories... and some theories can be false (Geocentric model, Germ theory of disease), cause basis are bad.<br />
:::"terminology" can having differents meanings depending POV. And that even science can't cut and saying what is the good terminology or good signifiance of words... there's history of terminology depending movements. Anarchism own his terminology, by his history, which is not the same that capitalists/statists/others ones... Meanings can change with history and evolution of life/society, but not the basis (hypothesis, axioms ?)... <br />
:::By example : Anarchism fight for Liberty and equality which are the opposite to authority. Hierarchical is authoritarian, then theories which defend hierarchical are authoritarian, and are opposite to liberty and equality, then to anarchism. by example, "anarcho"-capitalism defend hierarchical, then there's nothing anarchism in that theory. Then a definition/introduction must explain clearly in the article that it is not anarchism, but an oxymoron, a false theory.<br />
:::And to reply to "Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not... Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda" ; it existed an "[[anarchistic encyclopaedia|anarchist encyclopedia]]" which was written by anarchists (and near) in which you can read some really good anarchist propaganda... Then if Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, and that there's no anarchist propaganda, why this "Anarcho"-encyclopaedia-project ?<br />
:::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
:::: If there are several definitions of a term, must write down all of them. E.g. for the article 'anarcho-capitalism' it should be something like this:<blockquote><br />
::::: Anarcho-capitalists (and most researchers and some other anarchists, e.g. anarcho-individualists) state, that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism...<br><br>Most other anarchists (especially anarcho-communists and anarcho-collectivists) state, that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other.<br />
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:::: Such definition covers all of the meanings and propagandizes nothing. This is what any encyclopedia must be.<br />
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:::: I didn't read "anarchist encyclopedia", but who calls it an 'encyclopedia'? Themselves, I think. To call oneself and to be -- it is not the same. If they propagandize something, they are not an encyclopedia.<br />
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:::: And Anarchopedia is 'anarcho' because, firstly, it isn't a general encyclopedia like Wikipedia is. There must be no articles in Anarchopedia which have no relation to anarchism. And secondly, Anarchopedia is an experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.<br />
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:::: -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 08:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::In that example of definition, it take a capitalist POV, under a scientific neutral POV bias. It define implicitly hypothesis that "Anarchism" beeing only against state, then like capitalists are against actual form of state (in fact "a"-c want their private state, their private monopole of force to protect their private property) it allow to enounce it like being in anarchism, but it's a false hypothesis, cause anarchism is against all form of state (private, public, etc) and hierarchies... The hypothesis of this definition is false. with a such hypothesis, we can add in all sort of authoritarian theories/movements, which don't accept actual State... but would want their particular State. That is a scientific and libertarian POV i enounce, and not a scientific and neutral POV. I don't believe in neutrality. Neutrality is for wp. Neutralism is for mainstream. I am for an anarchist perspectivism. The aim is anarchy, means have to be connected to that, and vis versa.<br />
:::::This definition take a capitalist POV, it use in the defintion all their ideological/terminological bias. And that is scientific, it just search all their propaganda, it use the same. it reproducte their ideology.<br />
:::::There's no need to allow capitalist propaganda to use Anarchopedia, wikipedia (or others) is enough for them.<br />
:::::I am an anarchist without adjectives, i recognize all form of anarchism, and i reject all '''archists'''. '''capitalists''' can't be anarchists, cause they are '''hierarchists'''. they are only a radical form of liberalism.<br />
:::::What it is written like example of definition can't be an introduction. it can be just a debate beetween Anarchism and "A"-capitalism. But an introduction need a scientific and non-neutral POV. <br />
:::::in [[:eng:anarcho-capitalism]], i propose to enounce a minimal introduction of that theory depdnding a anarchist perspective :<blockquote><br />
:::::"''The "anarcho"-capitalism is a liberal political philosophy and theory, non-anarchist, who want to privatize state for the benefit of capitalist competing companies. They defend actual economical and social hierarchy. Anarcho-capitalists state that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism... They attempts to reconcile capitalism, as defined in classical liberalism, with Anarchism and anarchist themes such as opposition to the State and individual freedom. Most other anarchists state that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other, and that anti-statism and individual freedom aren't sufficient to be enounced like "anarchist"''"<br />
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:::::About the "anarchist encyclopedia" (only in french), it is sure it wasn't a "neutralist encyclopedia". Articles of that "anarchist encyclopedia" are reproducted in here : [http://www.encyclopedie-anarchiste.org/index.html l'Encyclopédie Anarchiste de Sébastien Faure].<br />
:::::In fact, even the "Encyclopedia - a systematic dictionary of the sciences, arts, and crafts -" from Diderot and d'Alembert had the aim to fight religious and political fanatism, and apologize rational and freedom spirit. I think Anarchopedia can fight against economical and political authoritarism in all sorts... like capitalism, statism, nationalism, etc. Do we have to support authoritarians views which presents themselves like libertarians ? no. We know what was/is wrong with moralist (religious & co) authoritarians, we know what was/is wrong with economics (capitalists & co) and politicals (statists & co) authoritarians... and we are, anarchist, anti-authoritarians. do we have to having shame of that ?<br />
:::::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 11:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)'''<br />
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There are too many irrelevant articles. And too many red links, which, if created, would only add to the list of irrelevant articles. Is this an encyclopedia of anarchism, or just another general encyclopedia, created primarily by anarchists? I suppose a general encyclopedia without the problematic restrictions of Wikipedia might be beneficial, but in general those restrictions aren't really problematic. Their NPOV policy is good for most general issues. It's when we start talking about contentious issues, like anarchism, that it becomes a problem -- and that's where an encyclopedia of anarchism becomes necessary. I think this encyclopedia should be limited to the subject at hand. Irrelevant articles should be deleted, and red links should not be made if the articles they initiate would be irrelevant. Instead, we should simply link to Wikipedia (or some other general encyclopedia) for general and irrelevant issues. I'm sure we could play "seven degrees of separation" and find tangential relevance for just about any issue, but common sense is enough to tell us which articles need to be here and which don't. I'm not implying rules and enforcement here, just consensus agreement and self-restraint. The current consensus seems to be for the project to become a general encyclopedia, written mostly from the anarchist perspective. I suggest we rethink this. I suggest an encyclopedia of anarchism, limited accordingly, by agreement. --[[User:Razor6|Razor6]] 20:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I would suggest that we leave aside the term "truth" for the purposes of this discussion. I think that the standard for posting should be factual accuracy, with the understanding that facts can be interpreted in myriad different ways. The idea of "neutral POV" is an oxymoron; no point of view is every really neutral. It would make more sense, in my opinion, to allow for multiple points of view on the same basic facts as long as those points of view are made as explicit as possible.<br />
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While it is neither necessary nor practical to insist that truth is required, it seems to me entirely possible to infer that the search for truth, at least, is part of the goals of this encyclopaedia. That way we are not caught in the trap that WP got in: Verifiability Uber Alles, and other devotions to compromises. Ignore All Rules never gets used in WP, and that is why. If you are not allergic to European history, read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance Auld Alliance] for an example of the potential truth or at least beauty of 'essays'; every day I pray some deletionist Philistine does not get ahold of that article.[[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 07:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=== Wholesale deletion of articles ===<br />
I believe everything on the Spanish Civil War has either been deleted or removed, probably by some capitalist who came across the website. Try to look any information up on it, you will end up with nothing. Yesterday it was all there, but today there is nothing on the Spanish Civil War.<br />
--[[User:XC(A)libur]] <br>Anarchangel moved this comment on 25 Sept [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>I concur; I rewrote a Spanish Civil War article, and it also was deleted; the record of my writing it disappeared from my Contributions. That would have taken an administrator to accomplish on WP, I dunno about here. I wrote a Guatemala coup of 1954, Democracy Now!, and numerous other articles; they were all deleted, and again, the record disappeared. Please please pay attention to this problem, I really want to contribute here but I cannot if it is all for nothing. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
My bad, sorry. When anyone clicks on the link to this discussion, they get moved to Meta, and Meta shows none of the contributions for Anarchopedia, nor is there an obvious link back to Anarchopedia. All my articles are still here. Or, there. You know what I mean. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</div>
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You wrote "Socialism: is the mode of society in which goods are exchanged according to people's needs..."<br />
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What are goods in your opinion? (possible translation-problem) In my opinion goods only exists in capitalism, because goods also inluded labor and trade. Do You mean things? --[[User:X|X]] 07:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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For goods i meant any commodity that can be exchanged, like food, clothes etc, not labor or trade. Perhaps Marx's theory definition of "goods" includes labor, so I will correct the definition. Thanks for pointing out the problem. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 11:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Socialisme is commen te be misunderstood in many facets of the word. Socialism is a way of life in which you can freely give and receive back your needs by expressing them in any kind of way... Knowledge and food don't have to have a price the way they make it. Life just ain't that easy in many cases. Cases.. No.. Lifes...The need of money is exaturated in the modern society's. Money should contribute something to life. In this capitalistic sociaty everything has a price. Some just can't affort. That should not be necescary. Some are blinded by materialistic dreams. But materialisme is not human, and in that way not social. Socialisme cannot be defined in one word of sentance there are many books about it. I suggest that you should read one, just one. <br />
......... Sorry This is not my site, but I feel free to post this comment. If you don't want me doing it, I will stop and the owner is free to edit it :D:D <br />
Thanx for linking me!!! :D:D .. <br />
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sorry for that : [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=2510&diff=16736&oldid=16735], i read it too quickly, i didn't see that it was talks on indonesian language. i thank it was vandalism. [[User:Aspam|Aspam]] 14:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Koekje ==<br />
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Hi Rev, could you please sysop me on meta, then I can help with clearing up some spam/vandalism :) (special:nuke is for admins only). Thanks. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 07:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I will do as you start contributing on meta. Please think twice before deleting an image as they can't be undeleted with our software. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 15:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::So we should leave copyvios around then? [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you are sure that it's a copyvio, then get rid of it. If you are strongly suspiscious, then ask a question, if nobody answers then delete. If you just don't know use <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:copyright unknown|copyright unknown]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. Basically we aren't government enforcement body, we can abide by the laws when needed, but don't volunteer your help either... q;-) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Fine, I'll tag them instead then :) had no idea that a procedure for deleting images existed here. Not sure what kind of 'contributions' I would need to make to meta though, all the content is on en: and I thought that any non-vandal could be an admin here... I'd just clear some stuff like [[Special:Contributions/Willy on Wheels|this]] up. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, to me it looked like a vandalism when today you deleted the image without asking anyone about it. So please forgive my hesitation. Aside from this, do you subscribe to any anarchist theories (individualism, social anarchism, mutualism)? Hopefully there is more you can do here than fighting vandals ;-) ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not an active anarchist in real life, but I do have an interest in the subject. I'm just a bored Wikipedia editor who likes the concept of a totally free wiki, so I decided to take a look around here at Anarchopedia, forgive me for not making any significant content contributions :) [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... I'm also an ex- wikipedia editor, I left them about two years ago because of their excessive concern with policies, and the difficulty to bring about reforms, though I value the time I was there also. Perhaps that aspect has improved lately, if, as I have been told, Wikimedia has become a representative democracy. Anarchopedia has openness and freedom as its stated goals, but in my opinion we still need to develop a fully decentralized system to build something that can be really large and thriving... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Why did you remove my edits ==<br />
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Why did you remove my edits to the [[Main Page]]? You gave no explanation, and I thought I was helping. --[[User_talk:Anonymity|<font color="#E50">'''An</font><font color="#F60">o</font><font color="#E71">n</font><font color="#E8A">y</font><font color="#E82">mi</font><font color="#E94">ty</font>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 05:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I did not understand your version of the page then. The one I restored has larger links and descriptions in different languages. I would not remove them, feel free to continue your edits though. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 10:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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How can I be sysop of in Anarchopedia Portuguese? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 06:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, did you already contribute to Anarchopedia?. My view is that every contributor should be also a sysop. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 00:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi yes I contribute to the Anarchopedia in Portuguese as can be sysop? The project is abandoned in Portuguese and I will take care of it and need the tools of sysop and bureaucrat to better manage the project, help me? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 11:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Are you OK? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm fine fortunately, thank you for the concern. I was awaken by the quake but in my region there was no damage it seems. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Sir, I do not am spammer, my name is evil? If yes rename me on ManW. Sorry for spam (but i do not am spammer!),--[[User:MWEB|MWEB]] 13:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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But... you can give me these rights only on rum.anarchopedia.org please? Thank you very much!! --[[User:MWEB|MWEB]] 13:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello MWEB. Your nickname is fine, just most of my work lately is undoing spammers and I didn't see you around before.<br />
:We really need to organize a meeting for this and other issues... please check out our chat room on irc.indymedia.org:<br />
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You wrote "Socialism: is the mode of society in which goods are exchanged according to people's needs..."<br />
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What are goods in your opinion? (possible translation-problem) In my opinion goods only exists in capitalism, because goods also inluded labor and trade. Do You mean things? --[[User:X|X]] 07:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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For goods i meant any commodity that can be exchanged, like food, clothes etc, not labor or trade. Perhaps Marx's theory definition of "goods" includes labor, so I will correct the definition. Thanks for pointing out the problem. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 11:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Socialisme is commen te be misunderstood in many facets of the word. Socialism is a way of life in which you can freely give and receive back your needs by expressing them in any kind of way... Knowledge and food don't have to have a price the way they make it. Life just ain't that easy in many cases. Cases.. No.. Lifes...The need of money is exaturated in the modern society's. Money should contribute something to life. In this capitalistic sociaty everything has a price. Some just can't affort. That should not be necescary. Some are blinded by materialistic dreams. But materialisme is not human, and in that way not social. Socialisme cannot be defined in one word of sentance there are many books about it. I suggest that you should read one, just one. <br />
......... Sorry This is not my site, but I feel free to post this comment. If you don't want me doing it, I will stop and the owner is free to edit it :D:D <br />
Thanx for linking me!!! :D:D .. <br />
--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 18:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Thanx for reading my stuff!!!<br />
If you want to contact me? Feel free to do so.. ''(omitted to avoid spam)''--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 20:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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sorry for that : [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=2510&diff=16736&oldid=16735], i read it too quickly, i didn't see that it was talks on indonesian language. i thank it was vandalism. [[User:Aspam|Aspam]] 14:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Koekje ==<br />
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Hi Rev, could you please sysop me on meta, then I can help with clearing up some spam/vandalism :) (special:nuke is for admins only). Thanks. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 07:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I will do as you start contributing on meta. Please think twice before deleting an image as they can't be undeleted with our software. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 15:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::So we should leave copyvios around then? [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you are sure that it's a copyvio, then get rid of it. If you are strongly suspiscious, then ask a question, if nobody answers then delete. If you just don't know use <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:copyright unknown|copyright unknown]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. Basically we aren't government enforcement body, we can abide by the laws when needed, but don't volunteer your help either... q;-) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Fine, I'll tag them instead then :) had no idea that a procedure for deleting images existed here. Not sure what kind of 'contributions' I would need to make to meta though, all the content is on en: and I thought that any non-vandal could be an admin here... I'd just clear some stuff like [[Special:Contributions/Willy on Wheels|this]] up. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, to me it looked like a vandalism when today you deleted the image without asking anyone about it. So please forgive my hesitation. Aside from this, do you subscribe to any anarchist theories (individualism, social anarchism, mutualism)? Hopefully there is more you can do here than fighting vandals ;-) ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not an active anarchist in real life, but I do have an interest in the subject. I'm just a bored Wikipedia editor who likes the concept of a totally free wiki, so I decided to take a look around here at Anarchopedia, forgive me for not making any significant content contributions :) [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... I'm also an ex- wikipedia editor, I left them about two years ago because of their excessive concern with policies, and the difficulty to bring about reforms, though I value the time I was there also. Perhaps that aspect has improved lately, if, as I have been told, Wikimedia has become a representative democracy. Anarchopedia has openness and freedom as its stated goals, but in my opinion we still need to develop a fully decentralized system to build something that can be really large and thriving... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Why did you remove my edits ==<br />
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Why did you remove my edits to the [[Main Page]]? You gave no explanation, and I thought I was helping. --[[User_talk:Anonymity|<font color="#E50">'''An</font><font color="#F60">o</font><font color="#E71">n</font><font color="#E8A">y</font><font color="#E82">mi</font><font color="#E94">ty</font>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 05:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I did not understand your version of the page then. The one I restored has larger links and descriptions in different languages. I would not remove them, feel free to continue your edits though. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 10:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Sysop ==<br />
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How can I be sysop of in Anarchopedia Portuguese? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 06:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, did you already contribute to Anarchopedia?. My view is that every contributor should be also a sysop. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 00:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi yes I contribute to the Anarchopedia in Portuguese as can be sysop? The project is abandoned in Portuguese and I will take care of it and need the tools of sysop and bureaucrat to better manage the project, help me? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 11:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Earthquake... ==<br />
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Are you OK? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm fine fortunately, thank you for the concern. I was awaken by the quake but in my region there was no damage it seems. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)</div>
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User talk:Rev 22
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<p>Rev 22: Reverted edits by Rev 22 (Talk) to last version by MWEB</p>
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<div>Feel free to leave comments here or on [[eng:User talk:Rev 22|my talk page]] on [[eng:]].<br />
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You wrote "Socialism: is the mode of society in which goods are exchanged according to people's needs..."<br />
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What are goods in your opinion? (possible translation-problem) In my opinion goods only exists in capitalism, because goods also inluded labor and trade. Do You mean things? --[[User:X|X]] 07:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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For goods i meant any commodity that can be exchanged, like food, clothes etc, not labor or trade. Perhaps Marx's theory definition of "goods" includes labor, so I will correct the definition. Thanks for pointing out the problem. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 11:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Socialisme is commen te be misunderstood in many facets of the word. Socialism is a way of life in which you can freely give and receive back your needs by expressing them in any kind of way... Knowledge and food don't have to have a price the way they make it. Life just ain't that easy in many cases. Cases.. No.. Lifes...The need of money is exaturated in the modern society's. Money should contribute something to life. In this capitalistic sociaty everything has a price. Some just can't affort. That should not be necescary. Some are blinded by materialistic dreams. But materialisme is not human, and in that way not social. Socialisme cannot be defined in one word of sentance there are many books about it. I suggest that you should read one, just one. <br />
......... Sorry This is not my site, but I feel free to post this comment. If you don't want me doing it, I will stop and the owner is free to edit it :D:D <br />
Thanx for linking me!!! :D:D .. <br />
--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 18:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Thanx for reading my stuff!!!<br />
If you want to contact me? Feel free to do so.. ''(omitted to avoid spam)''--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 20:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== error ==<br />
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sorry for that : [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=2510&diff=16736&oldid=16735], i read it too quickly, i didn't see that it was talks on indonesian language. i thank it was vandalism. [[User:Aspam|Aspam]] 14:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Koekje ==<br />
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Hi Rev, could you please sysop me on meta, then I can help with clearing up some spam/vandalism :) (special:nuke is for admins only). Thanks. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 07:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I will do as you start contributing on meta. Please think twice before deleting an image as they can't be undeleted with our software. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 15:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::So we should leave copyvios around then? [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you are sure that it's a copyvio, then get rid of it. If you are strongly suspiscious, then ask a question, if nobody answers then delete. If you just don't know use <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:copyright unknown|copyright unknown]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. Basically we aren't government enforcement body, we can abide by the laws when needed, but don't volunteer your help either... q;-) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Fine, I'll tag them instead then :) had no idea that a procedure for deleting images existed here. Not sure what kind of 'contributions' I would need to make to meta though, all the content is on en: and I thought that any non-vandal could be an admin here... I'd just clear some stuff like [[Special:Contributions/Willy on Wheels|this]] up. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, to me it looked like a vandalism when today you deleted the image without asking anyone about it. So please forgive my hesitation. Aside from this, do you subscribe to any anarchist theories (individualism, social anarchism, mutualism)? Hopefully there is more you can do here than fighting vandals ;-) ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not an active anarchist in real life, but I do have an interest in the subject. I'm just a bored Wikipedia editor who likes the concept of a totally free wiki, so I decided to take a look around here at Anarchopedia, forgive me for not making any significant content contributions :) [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... I'm also an ex- wikipedia editor, I left them about two years ago because of their excessive concern with policies, and the difficulty to bring about reforms, though I value the time I was there also. Perhaps that aspect has improved lately, if, as I have been told, Wikimedia has become a representative democracy. Anarchopedia has openness and freedom as its stated goals, but in my opinion we still need to develop a fully decentralized system to build something that can be really large and thriving... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Why did you remove my edits ==<br />
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Why did you remove my edits to the [[Main Page]]? You gave no explanation, and I thought I was helping. --[[User_talk:Anonymity|<font color="#E50">'''An</font><font color="#F60">o</font><font color="#E71">n</font><font color="#E8A">y</font><font color="#E82">mi</font><font color="#E94">ty</font>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 05:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I did not understand your version of the page then. The one I restored has larger links and descriptions in different languages. I would not remove them, feel free to continue your edits though. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 10:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Sysop ==<br />
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How can I be sysop of in Anarchopedia Portuguese? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 06:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, did you already contribute to Anarchopedia?. My view is that every contributor should be also a sysop. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 00:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi yes I contribute to the Anarchopedia in Portuguese as can be sysop? The project is abandoned in Portuguese and I will take care of it and need the tools of sysop and bureaucrat to better manage the project, help me? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 11:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Earthquake... ==<br />
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Are you OK? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm fine fortunately, thank you for the concern. I was awaken by the quake but in my region there was no damage it seems. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi! ==<br />
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Hi Sir! I am a user who would like sysop status here for helping the community, I see that is not a very active community here. Thanks. --[[User:MWEB|MWEB]] 15:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</div>
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Rev_22&diff=22548
User talk:Rev 22
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<p>Rev 22: Reverted edits by MWEB (Talk) to last version by Ervinutz</p>
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<div>Feel free to leave comments here or on [[eng:User talk:Rev 22|my talk page]] on [[eng:]].<br />
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You wrote "Socialism: is the mode of society in which goods are exchanged according to people's needs..."<br />
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What are goods in your opinion? (possible translation-problem) In my opinion goods only exists in capitalism, because goods also inluded labor and trade. Do You mean things? --[[User:X|X]] 07:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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For goods i meant any commodity that can be exchanged, like food, clothes etc, not labor or trade. Perhaps Marx's theory definition of "goods" includes labor, so I will correct the definition. Thanks for pointing out the problem. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 11:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Socialisme is commen te be misunderstood in many facets of the word. Socialism is a way of life in which you can freely give and receive back your needs by expressing them in any kind of way... Knowledge and food don't have to have a price the way they make it. Life just ain't that easy in many cases. Cases.. No.. Lifes...The need of money is exaturated in the modern society's. Money should contribute something to life. In this capitalistic sociaty everything has a price. Some just can't affort. That should not be necescary. Some are blinded by materialistic dreams. But materialisme is not human, and in that way not social. Socialisme cannot be defined in one word of sentance there are many books about it. I suggest that you should read one, just one. <br />
......... Sorry This is not my site, but I feel free to post this comment. If you don't want me doing it, I will stop and the owner is free to edit it :D:D <br />
Thanx for linking me!!! :D:D .. <br />
--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 18:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
----<br />
Thanx for reading my stuff!!!<br />
If you want to contact me? Feel free to do so.. ''(omitted to avoid spam)''--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 20:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== error ==<br />
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sorry for that : [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=2510&diff=16736&oldid=16735], i read it too quickly, i didn't see that it was talks on indonesian language. i thank it was vandalism. [[User:Aspam|Aspam]] 14:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Koekje ==<br />
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Hi Rev, could you please sysop me on meta, then I can help with clearing up some spam/vandalism :) (special:nuke is for admins only). Thanks. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 07:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I will do as you start contributing on meta. Please think twice before deleting an image as they can't be undeleted with our software. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 15:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::So we should leave copyvios around then? [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you are sure that it's a copyvio, then get rid of it. If you are strongly suspiscious, then ask a question, if nobody answers then delete. If you just don't know use <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:copyright unknown|copyright unknown]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. Basically we aren't government enforcement body, we can abide by the laws when needed, but don't volunteer your help either... q;-) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Fine, I'll tag them instead then :) had no idea that a procedure for deleting images existed here. Not sure what kind of 'contributions' I would need to make to meta though, all the content is on en: and I thought that any non-vandal could be an admin here... I'd just clear some stuff like [[Special:Contributions/Willy on Wheels|this]] up. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, to me it looked like a vandalism when today you deleted the image without asking anyone about it. So please forgive my hesitation. Aside from this, do you subscribe to any anarchist theories (individualism, social anarchism, mutualism)? Hopefully there is more you can do here than fighting vandals ;-) ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not an active anarchist in real life, but I do have an interest in the subject. I'm just a bored Wikipedia editor who likes the concept of a totally free wiki, so I decided to take a look around here at Anarchopedia, forgive me for not making any significant content contributions :) [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... I'm also an ex- wikipedia editor, I left them about two years ago because of their excessive concern with policies, and the difficulty to bring about reforms, though I value the time I was there also. Perhaps that aspect has improved lately, if, as I have been told, Wikimedia has become a representative democracy. Anarchopedia has openness and freedom as its stated goals, but in my opinion we still need to develop a fully decentralized system to build something that can be really large and thriving... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Why did you remove my edits ==<br />
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Why did you remove my edits to the [[Main Page]]? You gave no explanation, and I thought I was helping. --[[User_talk:Anonymity|<font color="#E50">'''An</font><font color="#F60">o</font><font color="#E71">n</font><font color="#E8A">y</font><font color="#E82">mi</font><font color="#E94">ty</font>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 05:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I did not understand your version of the page then. The one I restored has larger links and descriptions in different languages. I would not remove them, feel free to continue your edits though. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 10:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Sysop ==<br />
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How can I be sysop of in Anarchopedia Portuguese? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 06:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, did you already contribute to Anarchopedia?. My view is that every contributor should be also a sysop. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 00:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi yes I contribute to the Anarchopedia in Portuguese as can be sysop? The project is abandoned in Portuguese and I will take care of it and need the tools of sysop and bureaucrat to better manage the project, help me? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 11:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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{{img-sem-uso|Image:BlankMap-World.png}}<br />
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== Earthquake... ==<br />
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Are you OK? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm fine fortunately, thank you for the concern. I was awaken by the quake but in my region there was no damage it seems. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi! ==<br />
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Please give me sysop rights here for atack vandalism on all anarchopedie's. Thank you! --[[User:Ervinutz|Ervinutz]] 14:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)</div>
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Ideas for the 4th General Meeting
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<div>Please, add your ideas here. If there is no section for your idea, please, add it.<br />
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==Organizational==<br />
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===Date and time===<br />
Please put down when you can attend the General Meeting in order of preference:<br />
* December 4 (8-20 UTC), December 1 (8-12 UTC), December 8 (8-12 UTC), December 11 (8-20 UTC) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] - Sorry can't do December 11th [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 12:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
* December 4 (16-20 UTC), December 11 (16-20 UTC) [[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]]<br />
* Unfortunately I will be out of the Internet for some days, so I will not be able to attend the meeting, but I will try to provide some suggestions regarding technical issues in this page. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 16:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
* December 8 and after. - Samarre, french encyclopedia<br />
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===General secretary?===<br />
* We need at least a person who would take care about daily jobs in our community; i.e. we need a secretary. I think that it shouldn't be one person (first of all, because it is hard to work alone), so I suggest a three persons secretariat. Also, I think that people in secretariat should rotate every three months (maybe more, maybe less, we should talk about it). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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*What involves the "daily work" of the general secretariat?<br />
--[[User:Libertà |Libertà ]] 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
Would´t mind... daily you mean...?<br />
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===General meetings on the wiki?===<br />
* I think that our IRC General Meetings are not so useful because not all people have enough of free time at the particular moment. We have a wiki and I think that we should use it. According to my experience, I suggest three-phases wiki General Meetings: (1) one week for gathering proposals, (2) one week for discussions about proposals and (3) one week for voting (if voting is needed). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Voting and members===<br />
* I agree with this and think it will be very useful. What sort of voting are we talking about, however? I'm very much opposed to majoritarian politics... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 07:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I don't think that simple majority is a good solution. Consensus-like system should be good enough (I think that 80% majority is OK). But, as I remember, we didn't have any non-consensual decision through our almost three years of history ;) Also, a good questions are: who is voting?, which people are "us"? We should define at least a person per language who would be responsible for new people; or we should make some other mechanism... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* I think that the [http://rampart.co.nr rampART collective] constitution deals with that quite well. When you simply use their services you are a visitor, if you want to join you simply have to begin participating and on the second participation you are a part of it. Now they are quite weird, as it doesn't actually work this way in real life... but i think it would be a good thing. Let's say that if a person has at least 2 days of contritubions (whether that is articles or any other sort of contributions) the person is a part of the collective. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I learned one good lesson while participating on Serbian Wikipedia and Wikimedia Serbia: Until we were small and unknown project, we were very good. When we started to go to public, we became an easy target for people who were trying to heal their frustrations there... I don't want to talk a lot here about that experience, but I don't participate there since April. So, the point is to find a good defense positions for the community. Even we have much more similar political positions then any community on Wikipedia has, I know destructive anarchists (and what about non-anarchists who are willing to spend a lot of time to destruct one anarchist project?). So, if we want to have such fast adoption in the community, we need a fast exclusion, too... But, I think that better idea is to find some slower and safer method for adopting new members. Some of the ideas for thinking are:<br />
**# Local adoption and local rules. This may mean, but not necessarily (and maybe better not) language-based local communities. In general, this should be a model of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/affinity_group affinity groups] (btw, we don't have that article on eng:). So, we should constitute some number of affinity groups (for the beginning, we may say that we have as many affinity groups as languages Anarchopedia has) and to leave to the particular groups a way of adoption of new members (which would become members of Anarchopedian community, too). Also, we should find some way for relatively fast recognizing of affinity groups: a procedure of one week voting after some group express desire to become Anarchopedian affinity group? (We should talk a lot more about this issue. This paragraph is just a scratch...) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
**# The crucial thing in the world full of hierarchies is to find a solution between openness and integrity of our own community. So, the previous model (above) may be a good one, but, for sure, it is not the only one. So, we should talk about possible models of organizing our community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Publicity of work===<br />
* There is one more thing: If we have something which shouldn't be decided publicly (I know people who don't like to work publicly ;) ), then such decisions may be made on IRC. However, the main idea is to relax IRC decisions because of the main reason (see above). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
** I'm for public decisions for things that are public. For example the discussion on Anarchist Point of View must be public... but the discussion how we pay for something that needs to be paid for needs to be private if it names some people or something. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Time of the next session===<br />
* <s>In that sense, I suggest that we make 4th General Meeting on IRC (for example, at Sunday, 22nd July) just to delegate three persons for temporary secretariat who would prepare the 5th General Meeting on wiki.</s> --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* So, when would we have another session? For sure, after the a-camp, but when? Maybe to wait people to back from a-camp and to decide then? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Transparency===<br />
There will eventually be some major problems if Anarchopedia doesn't become more transparent. There needs to be a clear explanation, a '''single''' place where all the agreed rules are listed. At the very most it should be two places, one for the Anarchopedia as the whole, and one for the particular language. It should not be like Wikipedia where users learn the rules slowly as the time goes by, as this creates preferential treatment for the users that have already been a part of the project, and as such is in fact a form of hidden hierarchy. The rules that must be listed (whatever we decide these rules should say):<br />
* Point of view on Anarchopedia<br />
* Giving people software access priviledges<br />
* Blocking people for vandalism<br />
* How to propose changes to the rules<br />
[[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 15:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please see [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Finances==<br />
* We need to gather some money for hosting and domains... However, Libre should tell more where we are standing. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
**how do we organise the donations's data backup ? do i have to put that in clear (and the fact that all peoples can see it) or do i have to put the list in private just for anarchopedian peoples ? or do we put it on public/private anarchopedian-lists ? i think names don't have to be enounced in the donation's list, or maybe just pseudo (but no one could have put their pseudo when they have send their donation). problem is that, like i am the treasurer, it would need maybe some controls on money which go on accounts... you can trust in me, don't quiet. But if we were two peoples to verify money account (paypal, others), it would be best, maybe. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 17:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)'''<br />
*** I think that our finances should be transparent. This means that we should announce publicly how much money do we have and how do we spend them. People who gave money should have possibility to decide would they do that anonymously or not, but we should put the list of donations (like: person1 -- 10 EUR, anon1 -- 10 EUR, anon2 -- 20 EUR...). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
*** Yes, it is a good idea to have more than one person as treasurer. I shouldn't be that, Beta_M is willing to take a responsibility of general secretary, X doesn't like to deal with banks, so Rev is the only person on my mind now (however, maybe we have other people who are able/willing to be treasurers). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
****In fact, i think too that it must be transparent. But i thank with some last discussions, that there were a problem with money transparence... I've put [[Anarchopedia:Finances|donations's list here]]. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
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==Technical issues==<br />
* Anarchopedia is taking a lot of Tachanka's CPU (sometimes 70%). The only relevant solution is to find some money and get more resources... See finances for details ;) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*: This is a critical problem, I think. CPU usage is high but still we are not serving many pages per second. Our number of users is limited by the number of pages we can serve. I have enabled [http://anarchopedia.org/server-statistics this page] via the apache configuration, to estimate any speed improvements. Possible solutions:<br />
*:# Compiling PHP or trying other PHP code optimization. (using php5-xcache meant a 3x speed up, but we are still below 2 pages served per second). More optimization should be possible by not compiling separately the code for each language-based anarchopedia.<br />
*:# Installing and configuring an HTTP caching proxy like squid (as was used in the past), this should speed up especially the requests from search engine bots and the occasional readers, leaving more space for contributors.<br />
*:# Rate limiting the requests from search engine bots.<br />
*:# Changing from Mediawiki to a different, faster software (may not be easy).<br />
*:# Trying a different version of Mediawiki.<br />
*:# Hardware upgrade (eg. more RAM)<br />
*:~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
* We should set up a standard regarding the icons we use for certain actions of categories. This should be set up global, since the upload is on meta. This way we won’t fill up the hdds with useless images, and everything will become way more accessible. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
* People upload images with lowercase first letter... this makes them inaccessible ([[:Image:black cat.png]]) and this in turn leads to duplication ([[:Image:99051.jpg]]), can this be changed in any way... possibly just by making a note on the upload page saying that it's important to keep the first letter capital. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Server===<br />
I'm not content with our server-place in USA. I also dislike a place in Europe and prefer a place in south/middle-america. How about Mexico (in example vientos.info) or Venezuela? --[[User:X|X]] 17:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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has this been sort it out?<br />
my apollogies i was kicked out.<br />
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==Ideas==<br />
* I opened test phase of "[[Anarchopedian blog]]". I think that we should talk about it at the linked page (at the moment nothing is there; I'll write something about it, but anyone who has some questions, ideas, suggestions etc. about this issue -- let (s)he feel free to start the page. The main idea of the blog is to gather community. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:Maybe you already know about this, maybe you don't. I've just found it now. http://anarchoblogs.protest.net/ [[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 21:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::Good point, there is no reason to reinvent the wheel when the resources (specifically 'human resources') are not that great in our project yet. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I can't disagree with you on that but I think that the main goal of a blog, for a group or collective, is to get a way of communicating what's around, what's being done, to invite to participation,... I think it could bring the project to more real-life-connectedness (new word) - samarre (''french AP'')<br />
* Also, I think that we should start a project "[[people.anarchopedia.org]]", which should be a social networking site for anarchists, which would allow categorization by interests, ideas etc. What others think about it? I made a link to the page, so anyone interested in such project may add her/his comments there. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:I don't know if this is such a good idea. I understand you are trying to get more people on anarchopedia, and this will definitely get them, but it won’t get the type of people that would actually contribute to anarchopedia. They’ll basically just fill up their profile pages with useless junk, and use up the space on the servers for nothing. --[[User:Blindattack|Blindattack]] 08:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*::Yes, this is always a problem. Maybe we should introduce blog now and to see how it is going with that... If our experience with blogs would be good enough (i.e. we got some new editors), maybe social public networking site wouldn't be so bad idea. I think that such things are needed by the online anarchist community and that we should try to make it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 11:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
*:I wish to disagree with this. Let's think about who will actually blog. Most likely it will be only some of the people who are already on anarchopedia, it will not bring up more people. Social networking however, does help. The problem is that it needs to be very well throught through, and it should be something well done or not done at all. I think this topic has been discussed on #anarchopedia before. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Projects space==<br />
I would like to add space on meta wiki that would be used on contact between the different apedias. A page where different apedias could explain their projects would be very helpful to understand others and maybe inspire from what they create. - [[User:Samarre-fr]]<br />
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: Iʼll definitely second this proposal. I think that there needs to be enough autonomy for the decisions made in the different communities, but others should know of what is going on. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 10:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: I propose this page: [[Anarchopedia:Inter-projects]]. If you have anything to add or note, feel free to do so. If a more international expression could fit, I would personally find it better. - samarre<br />
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==Are the projects saved?==<br />
This one will maybe be answered without needing a general assembly, but I still have this question unresolved: are the projects saved somewhere so if the site is hacked, internet goes down or whatever, the texts will be available? - samarre<br />
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==ThreadMode==<br />
I think that having people discuss articles in http://uesmod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ThreadMode is a great idea, and have articles look more like MeatballWiki-like discussions than "articles" which seems too much like NPOV to me. I believe we should include, welcome all points of view (except if they are to promote spam), but this view may be a bit flawed when it comes to authoritarians or people on the "side" of neutrality. But I think that things would be better with ThreadMode, not DocumentMode. Another thing is that we could eliminate talk pages and user talk pages (because user pages and mainspace pages will be discussions) which will save some server space. --[[User:Anonymity|'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans,'Bitstream Vera Sans';"><font color="#a00">A<font color="#a44">n<font color="#c22">o<font color="#b60">n<font color="#a77">y</font>m</font>i</font>t</font>y</font></span>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 22:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't like that idea. There are already thousands upon thousands of forums for anarchist discussion. There are also wikis which have "All Points of View" policy. But currently there is nothing like Anarchopedia. If we will try to make this project like all the others, we will lose the diversity and any reason for people to be here. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 13:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Protection==<br />
I believe that protection of pages should be a last resort, there should be a limited number of pages protected. Also protecting talk pages should not be allowed, as it disallows people from expressing something. I think that this should be one of the policies. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Anonymity==<br />
===IP addresses in database===<br />
I am currently working on the simple way to make the IP addresses stored in the database almost useless to the attacker who manages to get ahold of our database (either through social engineering or other means). My plan is to hash all the IP addresses before they get stored in the database. This way we can still compare if two IP addresses are in fact the same (allowing us to check for sockpoppetry, or to block spammers), but makes it more expensive to track down the person from the hash in the database. Negative aspects include that i'll probably have to make a slight hack in the code of MediaWiki (i will announce before doing it, and will definitely back everything up prior to that) which will make it more difficult to update to newer versions (as the hack will have to be replecated). The database aspect will be done with the trigger on mysql tables, so that change will be seemless. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
===freekiwiki===<br />
Please accept my apologies for the slowness of the delivery of the workable [http://freekiwiki.sf.net freekiwiki], i am working on it, and hope to have a release which can work propperly in synchrony with MediaWiki. I do not have the release schedule, and cannot say when i will be done, as i am performing a major redesign at the moment. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 09:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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=== Compatibility etc. ===<br />
The only thing which I would like to be implemented in all changes is the compatibility with MediaWiki code. If we don't have such compatibility, we wouldn't be able to upgrade MediaWiki, which usually includes a very basic things, like anti-spam prevention. The best way for doing so is to make an extension for MediaWiki. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Also, we should be possible to see if two addresses belongs to the same C class. I think that such solution was made by IRC daemon (on irc.indymedia.org). In brief, particular numbers inside of IPv4 notation should be encrypted. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I have been writing a lengthy response to your post disagreeing with you, and realised that my IP hashing project won't help. If two people use the same IP they will still show up identical after the hash, and if the person can use proxy, nothing stops one from using proxy in the different C class. So here-by i am stopping the hash project. (see my proposal now below) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::New CheckUser interface (our is very old) may see client software, too (or, at least, how client software introduces themselves to web server). Very often way for making (stupid) vandalism is to use dynamic IP address of one provider, which is usually inside of the same C class. So, having some kind of sum for each IP address may be very useful. Or, at least, having a separate sum for the first three numbers of an IP address (it is not so simple to crack 2^48 of combinations even with known algorithm). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Note, also, that one thing is encryption of MediaWiki database and the other thing is encryption of Apache logs. Without solving both things, the problem is not solved. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 10:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Question: For how long do we keep the logs? Would it be possible to set up a simple script that would wipe the logs from January on Chinese New Year, and logs from February on April Fools? The same can be done with the IP addresses in the databases. I mean if after a month we still don't know if the person is a vandal or not, we won't learn that afterwards. I am not talking about IPs which were blocked, or even IPs of the users who aren't logged in, but rather the IPs which are stored for the logged in users in the recentchanges table. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Generally, until the disk is full (or until Anarchopedia is moving on some other server) and after that an Anarchopedian with good enough Internet connection and enough of space on their hard disk is backupping logs. My personal opinion about logs is that they are our history and that they should be kept somewhere out of servers (encrypted, whatever). However, if dominant opinion is to delete logs, it is OK for me (I understand privacy concerns). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I also agree that we need to be compatible, but I cannot program, therefore, I don't think I can help. --[[User:Anonymity|Anon.]] | [[User talk:Anonymity|Talk]] ''([[Special:Emailuser/Anonymity|<font color="#d34700">@</font>]]'' 23:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==what's an APOV==<br />
*Following the last G.M., some anarchists were leaving the project cause that acceptance of capitalistsPOV in here. do we have to leave all this project and going on (e.g) infoshop ?<br />
*post-modernism terminology, capitalist terminology, socialist terminology, anarchist terminology ? what's freedom and equality ? do we need authoritarians theories to live and practice anarchy ?<br />
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-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
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(The next text was originally written in Russian about ruWikipedia and posted at [[rus:User:Caesarion/ÐТЗ]]. There are minor differences between ru and en Wikipedias, but you should understand me)<br />
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One of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:5 five pillars] of Wikipedia is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPOV NPOV] (neutral point of view). In a nutshell: 'All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias.' I want to remind two types of violation: 1) bias; 2) incompleteness.<br />
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There is APOV (anarchistic point of view) in Anarchopedia, but there is no concensus what it is. I'll try to formulate it.<br />
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Well. Wikipedia's definition consists of 2 parts. The first tells that editors must present facts, but mustn't propagandize that one fact is true and other is wrong. The second tells that all points of view must be presented fully and proportionally.<br />
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APOV consist of 2 parts, too. And the first is the same as Wikipedia has: APOV requires only presentation of facts, but no propaganda. The difference is in the second part.<br />
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APOV requires acquaintance with all points of view (completeness must be), but only acquaintance. And fully consideration is needed only from the view of anarchist (or anarchists, because anarchism consists of many schools). Also there must be criticism (if any) of these points of view.<br />
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Well, I'll try to formulate the second part of APOV: all point of view must be presented, but fully consideration is needed only for the anarchists points of view (and their criticism).<br />
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Finally I want to remind, that Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, but not a mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misha_Verbitsky Misha Verbitsky] wrote in his book 'Anticopyright' words, which, I think, must be the first rule of any thematic wiki-encyclopaedia:<br />
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<p>Discussion of arguments pros and cons copyright is a stupid work; it is like religious debate about advantages of Linux over Microsoft (and vice versa) or criminal Yeltsin's gang (which must be judged) and necessity of market reforms. Adherents of different points of view have no chances to come to an agreement, and even won't listen to each other.</p><br />
<p>Of cource, it is impossible to get any sense from these arguments. Idea, any idea, could win only if its opponents will die. Point of this book is not to persuade anyone; persuasion is the product of high salary or when someone is hit with something heavy on the head. This book is not for that, but for fixing of different instructive stories about anticopyright.</p><br />
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-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:oops sorry, i didn't see that there were a response. <br />
:i think APOV have to be depending of an anarchist perspective. all point of view can be stated but the perspective of articles have to be anarchist. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]''' 7 February 2009.<br />
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== Case-sensitivity of the first character ==<br />
First of all two links: [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_name#Case-sensitivity_of_the_first_character]. So, let's talk about $wgCapitalLinks. Now the first character is case-sensitive in many (A)pedias. I'm not sure it is the best. I'll try to summarize the pros and cons (please feel free to edit).<br />
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=== Arguments for the first character ''should'' be case-sensitive ===<br />
* Depending on the first character some words have different meanings. E.g. '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Internet Internet]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/internet internet]''' or '''[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/God God]/[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/god god]'''.<br />
* The only extra action editor must do is to add '''''also''''' template in the beginning of the article.<br />
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=== Arguments for the first character ''should not'' be case-sensitive ===<br />
* Not so mush words have different meanings. Wikipedia also has articles '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet Internet]''' and '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God God]''', but it is not a problem. (A)pedia is an encyclopaedia, not a dictionary, so it is better to do as Wikipedia does.<br />
* Somebody could forget to add '''''also''''' template. And somebody could forget the meaning of the word when he or she makes link. Mechanism of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation disambiguation page] garantees no errors like these.<br />
* Sometimes link could be in the beginning of sentence, sometimes in the middle. There are 2 solutions: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Piped_links piped links] and redirects. But it is easier to make unpiped links then piped. And make redirects for MOST articles is not the best.<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
We must understand the goal and the means. The goal is clear: to differ meanings of one word. The means is also clear: each meaning should have its own article. I hope everyone agrees with this.<br />
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The question is which mechanism is better: case-sensitivity of the first character or disambiguation page? Ex facte the first mechanism is looked more natural. But judge not of men and things at first sight! Yes, I agree, the second mechanism is more sophisticated, but it has one really big advantage: it prevents errors. It will be impossible to confuse one article with another, because there will be only one disambiguation page for both links and two articles with really different names. So I think we should use case-'''in'''sensitive first character in all (A)pedias. [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarchopedia is... ==<br />
What is Anarchopedia? Now this simple question doesn't have the only answer. Look at this:<br />
* A People's Encyclopedia. Anarchopedia is an open knowledge-portal and online anarchist community.' -- [[Main Page]]<br />
* NULL -- [[eng:Main Page]]<br />
* Anarchopedia is a repository of information freely editable by anyone with few, if any restrictions.' -- [[eng:Anarchopedia:About]]<br />
* Anarcopedia es la primera enciclopedia wiki anarquista.' -- [[spa:Portada]]<br />
* Anarcopédia, A enciclopédia libertária.' -- [[por:Página principal]]<br />
* a primeira enciclopédia wiki anarquista' -- [[por:Anarcopédia]]<br />
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I think it is very important to understand what we are (and what we are not) and to formulate it in a few sentonces and post it in every main page (and other suitable places). So let's write down statements (to reach a consensus) and then we should combine them in a few (better one) sentences.<br />
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=== Anarchopedia is ===<br />
* '''Multilanguage wiki-face of world anarchism.'''<br />
: Is it forever, that anarchopedia.org uses wiki and only wiki? Will we use any other technology together with wiki?<br />
: Is it true that we are the world face? Is there any bigger, more popular site like Anarchopedia?<br />
* '''An experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.'''<br />
* '''At least a part of Anarchopedia is encyclopaedia.'''<br />
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=== Is Anarchopedia? ===<br />
* '''Anarchist community?'''<br />
: I disagree that Anarchopedia is a place for anarchists only. I think Anarchopedia is a place where all people could get (and put) information about anarchism. <br />
* '''Nothing but encyclopaedia?'''<br />
: Of cource, encyclopaedia about anarchism is the main idea of this site. I think we shouldn't stop. We have wiki, so it is possible for example to publish online (or store scans of offline) newpaper about anarchism.<br />
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=== Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not ===<br />
* '''Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda.'''<br />
: Encyclopaedia must contain no propaganda. Encyclopaedia must tell truth independently of its authors views. In other places (e.g. on the users personal pages) propaganda is acceptable, but not in encyclopaedia.<br />
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-- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What is truth ? isn't there capitalist's truth, statist's truth, anarchist's truth and others differents truth depending on your point of view ? i think there's an anarchist's truth, and that anarchopedia have to take an APOV, or, to die in post-modernism restricto-terminologisation novlang. -- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 21:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)'''<br />
[[Category:General Meetings]]<br />
:: Scientific facts are truth. I hope everyone agree that there is no capitalism/statist/anarchistic/other science. 'There are much more straights than gays' -- it is fact. 'Gays are worse/better than straight' -- it is not fact, it is opinion of some people. If we write an article about gays, we must tell about this opinion and about people who participate it, but we mustn't assert that it is true or false. And even in the article 'anarchy' we mustn't assert that anarchy is better than authority. -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 21:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<!-- i talk very badly english, and i am not a scientific --><br />
:::Ok i understand what you meant first ; It is taking a scientific POV about truth. But it exist differents scientific POV about things, differents theories... and some theories can be false (Geocentric model, Germ theory of disease), cause basis are bad.<br />
:::"terminology" can having differents meanings depending POV. And that even science can't cut and saying what is the good terminology or good signifiance of words... there's history of terminology depending movements. Anarchism own his terminology, by his history, which is not the same that capitalists/statists/others ones... Meanings can change with history and evolution of life/society, but not the basis (hypothesis, axioms ?)... <br />
:::By example : Anarchism fight for Liberty and equality which are the opposite to authority. Hierarchical is authoritarian, then theories which defend hierarchical are authoritarian, and are opposite to liberty and equality, then to anarchism. by example, "anarcho"-capitalism defend hierarchical, then there's nothing anarchism in that theory. Then a definition/introduction must explain clearly in the article that it is not anarchism, but an oxymoron, a false theory.<br />
:::And to reply to "Anarchopedia as encyclopaedia is not... Mouthpiece for anarchism propaganda" ; it existed an "[[anarchistic encyclopaedia|anarchist encyclopedia]]" which was written by anarchists (and near) in which you can read some really good anarchist propaganda... Then if Anarchopedia is an encyclopaedia, and that there's no anarchist propaganda, why this "Anarcho"-encyclopaedia-project ?<br />
:::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]]'''<br />
:::: If there are several definitions of a term, must write down all of them. E.g. for the article 'anarcho-capitalism' it should be something like this:<blockquote><br />
::::: Anarcho-capitalists (and most researchers and some other anarchists, e.g. anarcho-individualists) state, that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism...<br><br>Most other anarchists (especially anarcho-communists and anarcho-collectivists) state, that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other.<br />
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:::: Such definition covers all of the meanings and propagandizes nothing. This is what any encyclopedia must be.<br />
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:::: I didn't read "anarchist encyclopedia", but who calls it an 'encyclopedia'? Themselves, I think. To call oneself and to be -- it is not the same. If they propagandize something, they are not an encyclopedia.<br />
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:::: And Anarchopedia is 'anarcho' because, firstly, it isn't a general encyclopedia like Wikipedia is. There must be no articles in Anarchopedia which have no relation to anarchism. And secondly, Anarchopedia is an experiment in Anarchy and anarchistic management.<br />
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:::: -- [[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 08:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::In that example of definition, it take a capitalist POV, under a scientific neutral POV bias. It define implicitly hypothesis that "Anarchism" beeing only against state, then like capitalists are against actual form of state (in fact "a"-c want their private state, their private monopole of force to protect their private property) it allow to enounce it like being in anarchism, but it's a false hypothesis, cause anarchism is against all form of state (private, public, etc) and hierarchies... The hypothesis of this definition is false. with a such hypothesis, we can add in all sort of authoritarian theories/movements, which don't accept actual State... but would want their particular State. That is a scientific and libertarian POV i enounce, and not a scientific and neutral POV. I don't believe in neutrality. Neutrality is for wp. Neutralism is for mainstream. I am for an anarchist perspectivism. The aim is anarchy, means have to be connected to that, and vis versa.<br />
:::::This definition take a capitalist POV, it use in the defintion all their ideological/terminological bias. And that is scientific, it just search all their propaganda, it use the same. it reproducte their ideology.<br />
:::::There's no need to allow capitalist propaganda to use Anarchopedia, wikipedia (or others) is enough for them.<br />
:::::I am an anarchist without adjectives, i recognize all form of anarchism, and i reject all '''archists'''. '''capitalists''' can't be anarchists, cause they are '''hierarchists'''. they are only a radical form of liberalism.<br />
:::::What it is written like example of definition can't be an introduction. it can be just a debate beetween Anarchism and "A"-capitalism. But an introduction need a scientific and non-neutral POV. <br />
:::::in [[:eng:anarcho-capitalism]], i propose to enounce a minimal introduction of that theory depdnding a anarchist perspective :<blockquote><br />
:::::"''The "anarcho"-capitalism is a liberal political philosophy and theory, non-anarchist, who want to privatize state for the benefit of capitalist competing companies. They defend actual economical and social hierarchy. Anarcho-capitalists state that '''anarcho-capitalism''' is a school in anarchism... They attempts to reconcile capitalism, as defined in classical liberalism, with Anarchism and anarchist themes such as opposition to the State and individual freedom. Most other anarchists state that the word '''anarcho-capitalism''' is an oxymoron, a false theory, because anarchism and capitalism are not compatible with each other, and that anti-statism and individual freedom aren't sufficient to be enounced like "anarchist"''"<br />
:::::</blockquote><br />
:::::About the "anarchist encyclopedia" (only in french), it is sure it wasn't a "neutralist encyclopedia". Articles of that "anarchist encyclopedia" are reproducted in here : [http://www.encyclopedie-anarchiste.org/index.html l'Encyclopédie Anarchiste de Sébastien Faure].<br />
:::::In fact, even the "Encyclopedia - a systematic dictionary of the sciences, arts, and crafts -" from Diderot and d'Alembert had the aim to fight religious and political fanatism, and apologize rational and freedom spirit. I think Anarchopedia can fight against economical and political authoritarism in all sorts... like capitalism, statism, nationalism, etc. Do we have to support authoritarians views which presents themselves like libertarians ? no. We know what was/is wrong with moralist (religious & co) authoritarians, we know what was/is wrong with economics (capitalists & co) and politicals (statists & co) authoritarians... and we are, anarchist, anti-authoritarians. do we have to having shame of that ?<br />
:::::-- '''[[User:Libre|Libre]] 11:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)'''<br />
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There are too many irrelevant articles. And too many red links, which, if created, would only add to the list of irrelevant articles. Is this an encyclopedia of anarchism, or just another general encyclopedia, created primarily by anarchists? I suppose a general encyclopedia without the problematic restrictions of Wikipedia might be beneficial, but in general those restrictions aren't really problematic. Their NPOV policy is good for most general issues. It's when we start talking about contentious issues, like anarchism, that it becomes a problem -- and that's where an encyclopedia of anarchism becomes necessary. I think this encyclopedia should be limited to the subject at hand. Irrelevant articles should be deleted, and red links should not be made if the articles they initiate would be irrelevant. Instead, we should simply link to Wikipedia (or some other general encyclopedia) for general and irrelevant issues. I'm sure we could play "seven degrees of separation" and find tangential relevance for just about any issue, but common sense is enough to tell us which articles need to be here and which don't. I'm not implying rules and enforcement here, just consensus agreement and self-restraint. The current consensus seems to be for the project to become a general encyclopedia, written mostly from the anarchist perspective. I suggest we rethink this. I suggest an encyclopedia of anarchism, limited accordingly, by agreement. --[[User:Razor6|Razor6]] 20:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I would suggest that we leave aside the term "truth" for the purposes of this discussion. I think that the standard for posting should be factual accuracy, with the understanding that facts can be interpreted in myriad different ways. The idea of "neutral POV" is an oxymoron; no point of view is every really neutral. It would make more sense, in my opinion, to allow for multiple points of view on the same basic facts as long as those points of view are made as explicit as possible.<br />
--[[User:elisa]]<br />
<br />
While it is neither necessary nor practical to insist that truth is required, it seems to me entirely possible to infer that the search for truth, at least, is part of the goals of this encyclopaedia. That way we are not caught in the trap that WP got in: Verifiability Uber Alles, and other devotions to compromises. Ignore All Rules never gets used in WP, and that is why. If you are not allergic to European history, read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance Auld Alliance] for an example of the potential truth or at least beauty of 'essays'; every day I pray some deletionist Philistine does not get ahold of that article.[[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 07:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
=== Wholesale deletion of articles ===<br />
I believe everything on the Spanish Civil War has either been deleted or removed, probably by some capitalist who came across the website. Try to look any information up on it, you will end up with nothing. Yesterday it was all there, but today there is nothing on the Spanish Civil War.<br />
--[[User:XC(A)libur]] <br>Anarchangel moved this comment on 25 Sept [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>I concur; I rewrote a Spanish Civil War article, and it also was deleted; the record of my writing it disappeared from my Contributions. That would have taken an administrator to accomplish on WP, I dunno about here. I wrote a Guatemala coup of 1954, Democracy Now!, and numerous other articles; they were all deleted, and again, the record disappeared. Please please pay attention to this problem, I really want to contribute here but I cannot if it is all for nothing. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
My bad, sorry. When anyone clicks on the link to this discussion, they get moved to Meta, and Meta shows none of the contributions for Anarchopedia, nor is there an obvious link back to Anarchopedia. All my articles are still here. Or, there. You know what I mean. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 09:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)</div>
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<div>Anarchopedia licensing is '''per page'''. If you see a licensing template at the bottom of the page, then you should follow those licensing rules. If you do not see any template, then you may use the content without any restriction (in some jurisdictions it means that you must mention the author(s) of the content).<br />
<br />
== Rationale ==<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia is edited mostly by anarchists, most of whom do not care about copyright. However, Anarchopedia is an Internet site hosted by the collective Tachanka in the United States of America. While state force may damage Anarchopedia (ultimately, to shut down Anarchopedia), Anarchopedia must follow the minimal set of rules described inside of the USA copyright law. Following those rules is related just to the adoption of the external materials and materials contributed by non-anarchists (and others who care about licensing).<br />
<br />
'''The Anarchopedian community ''will not'' impose copyright restrictions on third parties.''' Any licensing restriction related to Anarchopedia content is strictly connected to materials adopted from external sources, as well as to materials contributed by particular contributors who care about licensing. Thus, just those persons and entities in such cases may try to impose copyright restrictions.<br />
<br />
== Using the content ==<br />
<br />
=== Default values ===<br />
<br />
If there is no licensing template on the article page (usually at the bottom), then you are able to use Anarchopedia content without restriction. In Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions this means that you are able to use Anarchopedia content as public domain content, while in the Continental jurisdictions you should treat the content as though published under an attribution-only license (one example of such a license is the Creative Commons Attribution License).<br />
<br />
Even in such cases (in Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions) that you are not compelled by law to provide attribution, it is advisable to do so, so that the source of the information can be located if necessary. However, in such cases, you are left to your own discretion whether to follow this common practice or not.<br />
<br />
=== Reading and personal use of content ===<br />
<br />
You are able to read and use for personal purposes any material without any restriction. No license is acceptable for Anarchopedia which forbids those rights.<br />
<br />
=== On site modification of content ===<br />
<br />
You may modify content on Anarchopedia. No license is acceptable for Anarchopedia which forbids that right.<br />
<br />
=== Terms of use related to anarchists ===<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia content may be licensed "for Anarchopedia only". If you see such a template on the article page (usually at the bottom), then you should not distribute that particular content.<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia content may be licensed under the "terms of anarchist solidarity". If you are not an anarchist or anarchist organization, then you should not distribute that particular content.<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia content may be licensed under the terms of any other acceptable solidarity (socialist, anti-authoritarian, etc.). If your political positions are not as described, or if you do not belong to such an organization, then you should not distribute that particular content.<br />
<br />
=== Commercial and non-commercial use of content ===<br />
<br />
The vast majority of Anarchopedia content may be used commercially. If you do not see it explicitly written that some particular content may not be used for commercial purposes (i.e., if the template at the bottom of the page does not contain the word "non-commercial" or the abbreviation "NC"), then you may use the content commercially.<br />
<br />
== Contributing content to Anarchopedia ==<br />
<br />
A primary goal of Anarchopedia should be to provide useful content. Although we generally do not care about licensing, entities and persons who care about statist and capitalist rules generally do care about licensing. If we do not explicitly allow them to use our content, then they will not use it; but a free society is not possible without free access to knowledge.<br />
<br />
In light of the above, here is a list of licenses from the most acceptable to the least acceptable:<br />
<br />
# '''Public domain / attribution-only''' (depending of jurisdiction). This is the Anarchopedia default. If you do not put any license template on the content you have contributed, then that content will be published under those conditions. ''Content licensed in this way is compatible with any other license.''<br />
# '''Attribution-only forced'''. We may use and create content explicitly licensed under attribution-only terms of use or under some license which defines it. Such licenses are, for example, CC-BY and GNU Lesser General Public License, and BSD revised license. ''Content licensed in this way is compatible with any other license except public domain.''<br />
# '''Copyleft license'''. Examples of copyleft licenses are the GNU Free Documentation License, the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License, and the GNU General Public License, among others. In brief, such licensing allows any kind of usage, distribution and modification of the content, provided that any modifications are likewise released under the same license. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses.''<br />
#* '''Important note:''' If you choose to license your content under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License '''and''' the GNU Free Documentation License (or if you have adopted content licensed in this way), or under the first two licensing types listed above, then Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects may reuse that content. This is not true for the types of acceptable licenses below.<br />
# '''Solidarity terms'''. "Solidarity terms" mean that the content may be used only by a particular group related to anarchists and Anarchopedia. We may adopt materials which may be used only by anarchists, socialists, anti-authoritarians and so on. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses.''<br />
# '''Non-commercial attribution-only licenses'''. We may use non-commercial content, as Anarchopedia is not a commercial project. One example for such licenses is the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial License. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses, except with non-commercial share-alike licenses.''<br />
# '''Non-commercial share-alike licenses'''. We may use this type of licenses. One example of such licenses is the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share-Alike license. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses.''<br />
# '''Anarchopedia only'''. The least of our acceptable licenses. Note that such content should not be used anywhere else and, because of that, it does not allow the free spreading of knowledge.<br />
<br />
If there is similar content licensed by two different types of licenses, then we should prefer the more acceptable options.<br />
<br />
Below is an incomplete list of '''unacceptable''' license types:<br />
<br />
# '''Non-derivative licenses'''. Such licenses are not acceptable for Anarchopedia because, by its very nature, Anarchopedia content is constantly changing. Examples of such licenses are the Creative Commons Non-Derivative licenses.<br />
# '''Time-limited license'''. Such licenses are not acceptable for Anarchopedia because usage of Anarchopedia content should not be subjected to expiration.<br />
# '''Unacceptable "solidarity" terms'''. There are no "solidarity" terms of use which assume any kind of segregation or discrimination based on ethnic, cultural, or any other lines that are incompatible with anarchism.<br />
# '''Any kind of limited usage not described as acceptable'''.<br />
<br />
If you have any questions related to licenses, or if you want to be better informed about them, then see the license descriptions page at GNU.org.[http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html]</div>
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<hr />
<div><center>'''''This is a draft! Discussion about this document is opened from April 21st, 2009 to May 31st, 2009.<br>Please, use the [[Talk:License|talk page]] for discussion. For background information, see [[License change]].'''''</center><br />
<br />
Anarchopedia licensing is '''per page'''. If you see a licensing template at the bottom of the page, then you should follow those licensing rules. If you do not see any template, then you may use the content without any restriction (in some jurisdictions it means that you must mention the author(s) of the content).<br />
<br />
== Rationale ==<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia is edited mostly by anarchists, most of whom do not care about copyright. However, Anarchopedia is an Internet site hosted by the collective Tachanka in the United States of America. While state force may damage Anarchopedia (ultimately, to shut down Anarchopedia), Anarchopedia must follow the minimal set of rules described inside of the USA copyright law. Following those rules is related just to the adoption of the external materials and materials contributed by non-anarchists (and others who care about licensing).<br />
<br />
'''The Anarchopedian community ''will not'' impose copyright restrictions on third parties.''' Any licensing restriction related to Anarchopedia content is strictly connected to materials adopted from external sources, as well as to materials contributed by particular contributors who care about licensing. Thus, just those persons and entities in such cases may try to impose copyright restrictions.<br />
<br />
== Using the content ==<br />
<br />
=== Default values ===<br />
<br />
If there is no licensing template on the article page (usually at the bottom), then you are able to use Anarchopedia content without restriction. In Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions this means that you are able to use Anarchopedia content as public domain content, while in the Continental jurisdictions you should treat the content as though published under an attribution-only license (one example of such a license is the Creative Commons Attribution License).<br />
<br />
Even in such cases (in Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions) that you are not compelled by law to provide attribution, it is advisable to do so, so that the source of the information can be located if necessary. However, in such cases, you are left to your own discretion whether to follow this common practice or not.<br />
<br />
=== Reading and personal use of content ===<br />
<br />
You are able to read and use for personal purposes any material without any restriction. No license is acceptable for Anarchopedia which forbids those rights.<br />
<br />
=== On site modification of content ===<br />
<br />
You may modify content on Anarchopedia. No license is acceptable for Anarchopedia which forbids that right.<br />
<br />
=== Terms of use related to anarchists ===<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia content may be licensed "for Anarchopedia only". If you see such a template on the article page (usually at the bottom), then you should not distribute that particular content.<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia content may be licensed under the "terms of anarchist solidarity". If you are not an anarchist or anarchist organization, then you should not distribute that particular content.<br />
<br />
Anarchopedia content may be licensed under the terms of any other acceptable solidarity (socialist, anti-authoritarian, etc.). If your political positions are not as described, or if you do not belong to such an organization, then you should not distribute that particular content.<br />
<br />
=== Commercial and non-commercial use of content ===<br />
<br />
The vast majority of Anarchopedia content may be used commercially. If you do not see it explicitly written that some particular content may not be used for commercial purposes (i.e., if the template at the bottom of the page does not contain the word "non-commercial" or the abbreviation "NC"), then you may use the content commercially.<br />
<br />
== Contributing content to Anarchopedia ==<br />
<br />
A primary goal of Anarchopedia should be to provide useful content. Although we generally do not care about licensing, entities and persons who care about statist and capitalist rules generally do care about licensing. If we do not explicitly allow them to use our content, then they will not use it; but a free society is not possible without free access to knowledge.<br />
<br />
In light of the above, here is a list of licenses from the most acceptable to the least acceptable:<br />
<br />
# '''Public domain / attribution-only''' (depending of jurisdiction). This is the Anarchopedia default. If you do not put any license template on the content you have contributed, then that content will be published under those conditions. ''Content licensed in this way is compatible with any other license.''<br />
# '''Attribution-only forced'''. We may use and create content explicitly licensed under attribution-only terms of use or under some license which defines it. Such licenses are, for example, CC-BY and GNU Lesser General Public License, and BSD revised license. ''Content licensed in this way is compatible with any other license except public domain.''<br />
# '''Copyleft license'''. Examples of copyleft licenses are the GNU Free Documentation License, the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License, and the GNU General Public License, among others. In brief, such licensing allows any kind of usage, distribution and modification of the content, provided that any modifications are likewise released under the same license. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses.''<br />
#* '''Important note:''' If you choose to license your content under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License '''and''' the GNU Free Documentation License (or if you have adopted content licensed in this way), or under the first two licensing types listed above, then Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects may reuse that content. This is not true for the types of acceptable licenses below.<br />
# '''Solidarity terms'''. "Solidarity terms" mean that the content may be used only by a particular group related to anarchists and Anarchopedia. We may adopt materials which may be used only by anarchists, socialists, anti-authoritarians and so on. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses.''<br />
# '''Non-commercial attribution-only licenses'''. We may use non-commercial content, as Anarchopedia is not a commercial project. One example for such licenses is the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial License. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses, except with non-commercial share-alike licenses.''<br />
# '''Non-commercial share-alike licenses'''. We may use this type of licenses. One example of such licenses is the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share-Alike license. ''Content licensed in this way is '''not''' compatible with other licenses.''<br />
# '''Anarchopedia only'''. The least of our acceptable licenses. Note that such content should not be used anywhere else and, because of that, it does not allow the free spreading of knowledge.<br />
<br />
If there is similar content licensed by two different types of licenses, then we should prefer the more acceptable options.<br />
<br />
Below is an incomplete list of '''unacceptable''' license types:<br />
<br />
# '''Non-derivative licenses'''. Such licenses are not acceptable for Anarchopedia because, by its very nature, Anarchopedia content is constantly changing. Examples of such licenses are the Creative Commons Non-Derivative licenses.<br />
# '''Time-limited license'''. Such licenses are not acceptable for Anarchopedia because usage of Anarchopedia content should not be subjected to expiration.<br />
# '''Unacceptable "solidarity" terms'''. There are no "solidarity" terms of use which assume any kind of segregation or discrimination based on ethnic, cultural, or any other lines that are incompatible with anarchism.<br />
# '''Any kind of limited usage not described as acceptable'''.<br />
<br />
If you have any questions related to licenses, or if you want to be better informed about them, then see the license descriptions page at GNU.org.[http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html]</div>
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2009-09-05T20:12:47Z
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<hr />
<div>==Discussed==<br />
# Choosing hosting option (tachanka?)<br />
# APOV - we should decide what is and what is not APOV <br />
# Better communication between local @pedia collectives (does anybody know someone from ie. the chinese @pedia?)<br />
# Body to control domain<br />
<br />
==Decisions==<br />
===Hosting===<br />
'''Consensus reached'''<br />
<br />
It was unanimously decided that Anarchopedia and other collectives that use Anarchopedia hosting should move to '''''tachanka'''''.<br /><br />
Main reason for decision seemed to be that &ldquo;anything is better than current set-up&rdquo;<br />
<br />
'''''The cost of this hosting is about 100€/month.'''''<br />
<br />
The hosting and the cost of the hosting will be shared with some others websites:<br />
* kontrapunkt - paid 30€/month<br />
* [http://indymedia.dk/ indymedia.dk]<br />
<br />
Money will be raised by donations, and at least one of [[fundraiser]] will be organised by [[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] and [[:fr:User:stevo|stevo]] (around December).<br />
<br />
Donations preview ''(If you can donate regularly, please say so in the discussion of this page and update the amount below)'':<br />
* 20€/month from [http://deu.anarchopedia.org/ Germany]<br />
* 5€/month from [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/ France]<br />
Total: 25€/month<br />
<br />
It was noted that tachanka doesn't demand the exact sum of money, but rather asks for donations.<br />
<br />
====Detail about tachanka====<br />
[https://www.tachanka.org/ Website]<br />
<br />
<Alster> there's no contract yet and there won't be one, i don't think. what we've been talking about so far...<br /><br />
<Alster> tachanka would setup between 2 and 4 [http://linux-vserver.org/ vservers] with a total resources like this: 30 GB HDD, 1024 MB RAM<br /><br />
<Alster> additionally, backup space on a remote server would be offered at some point<br /><br />
<Alster> so you can have backups on two physically seperate locations<br /><br />
<Alster> there's no specific prices, but we've made suggestions as to what could be paid<br /><br />
<eamr> tachanka is a radical political provider - is it right?<br /><br />
<Alster> that's correct<br /><br />
<Alster> Tachanka is very dedicated to secure setups, which protect your privacy and the privacy of your users.<br /><br />
<Alster> for example, we have quite strict logging polcies<br /><br />
<Alster> we work on top of encrypted hard disk partitions<br /><br />
<br />
===APOV===<br />
'''Consensus not reached'''<br />
<br />
Most people felt that there should be some sort of Anarchist POV is needed to protect Anarchopedia from being overrun by authoritarian left and anti-authoritarian right (as well as other unrelated content).<br />
<br />
People want to exclude from Anarchopedia sexist, racist, homophobic, pro-state, etc. contents.<br />
<br />
The case of "anarcho"-capitalism should also be defined in APOV (accepted or rejected).<br />
<br />
The aim is to make a common ground.<br />
<br />
[[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] believed that this will lead to censorship and interfighting.<br />
<br />
[[:fr:User:Stevo|Stevo]] believed that this will clarify the aim of Anarchopedia, which is an encyclopaedia about anarchism for the french one.<br />
<br />
[[:fr:User:Libre|Libre]] will translate the [[:fr:APOV|french article]].<br />
<br />
Decision will be reached during the next general meeting.<br />
<br />
===Better interwiki communication===<br />
How to communicate with for example [http://chi.anarchopedia.org chinese's anarchopedia]?<br />
<br />
===Body to control domain===<br />
'''No solutions founded'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] is at the moment only owner of domain.<br />
<br />
It will be hard to register association on international level<br />
<br />
==Signed off==<br />
* I think there were more points, but this is what i remember to be correct [[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
* I think this is a correct representation of the views expressed during the meeting. I strongly disagree with censoring minority views as that would imply either continous in-fighting between factions (attempting to censor each other), or the emergence of a [[centralism|central]] governing body deciding what can be published and what cannot. ([[Anarchopedia:en:what_Anarchopedia_is_not|What Anarchopedia is not]]) Censorship can be avoided by moving minority views from the main namespace. ([http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DeleteByMoving delete by moving]). Content which is not supported by any minority or which may put at risk the survival of Anarchopedia (spam, libel) should however be removed. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 16:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
** The aim is not to censored content. As it said in [[Anarchopedia:en:itself]]: ''<nowiki>[Anarchopedia is]</nowiki> An encyclopedia of anarchism'', so an APOV could help us to define what is anarchism for Anarchopedia's users and avoid discussion with no and between for example an "anarcho"-capitalist and an anti-capitalist. As I see, I've left wikipedia because of the libertarians who change the ''NPOV'' in their own POV, using any means necessary (liying, power of the number in vote to decide if something is true or not, vandalism). The problem is the same with "anarcho"-racism, "anarcho"-nationalism... I don't wan't to see anarchopedia became an other wikipedia. [[:fr:User:Stevo|'''<font color="#FF0000">S</font><font color="#000000">tevo</font>''']] 15:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
*** That is one of the reasons I left Wikipedia too... I suppose such faults are inherent in any collaborative project adopting a semi-authoritarian model, with rules enforced by a separate class of users (sysops). I have had some problems with anarcho-capitalists on english anarchopedia, (see for example the [[eng:anarcho-capitalism|article on anarcho-capitalism]]). I think adopting the "anarchist points of view" will be useful to clarify the matter, but discussions will continue as long as the project remains active... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 17:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
**** As I said during the meeting - I had the same problems as you with trolls and right-wingers as you on Wikipedia, and I see preparing APOV as absolutely necessary move.--[[User:XaViER|XaViER]] 10:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==[[3rd General Meeting/log|log]]==<br />
<br />
[[Category:General Meetings]]</div>
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<hr />
<div>==Discussed==<br />
# Choosing hosting option (tachanka?)<br />
# APOV - we should decide what is and what is not APOV <br />
# Better communication between local @pedia collectives (does anybody know someone from ie. the chinese @pedia?)<br />
# Body to control domain<br />
<br />
==Decisions==<br />
===Hosting===<br />
'''Consensus reached'''<br />
<br />
It was unanimously decided that Anarchopedia and other collectives that use Anarchopedia hosting should move to '''''tachanka'''''.<br /><br />
Main reason for decision seemed to be that &ldquo;anything is better than current set-up&rdquo;<br />
<br />
'''''The cost of this hosting is about 100€/month.'''''<br />
<br />
The hosting and the cost of the hosting will be shared with some others websites:<br />
* kontrapunkt - paid 30€/month<br />
* [http://indymedia.dk/ indymedia.dk]<br />
<br />
Money will be raised by donations, and at least one of [[fundraiser]] will be organised by [[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] and [[:fr:User:stevo|stevo]] (around December).<br />
<br />
Donations preview ''(If you can donate regularly, please say so in the discussion of this page and update the amount below)'':<br />
* 20€/month from [http://deu.anarchopedia.org/ Germany]<br />
* 5€/month from [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/ France]<br />
Total: 25€/month<br />
<br />
It was noted that tachanka doesn't demand the exact sum of money, but rather asks for donations.<br />
<br />
====Detail about tachanka====<br />
[https://www.tachanka.org/ Website]<br />
<br />
<Alster> there's no contract yet and there won't be one, i don't think. what we've been talking about so far...<br /><br />
<Alster> tachanka would setup between 2 and 4 [http://linux-vserver.org/ vservers] with a total resources like this: 30 GB HDD, 1024 MB RAM<br /><br />
<Alster> additionally, backup space on a remote server would be offered at some point<br /><br />
<Alster> so you can have backups on two physically seperate locations<br /><br />
<Alster> there's no specific prices, but we've made suggestions as to what could be paid<br /><br />
<eamr> tachanka is a radical political provider - is it right?<br /><br />
<Alster> that's correct<br /><br />
<Alster> Tachanka is very dedicated to secure setups, which protect your privacy and the privacy of your users.<br /><br />
<Alster> for example, we have quite strict logging polcies<br /><br />
<Alster> we work on top of encrypted hard disk partitions<br /><br />
<br />
===APOV===<br />
'''Consensus not reached'''<br />
<br />
Most people felt that there should be some sort of Anarchist POV is needed to protect Anarchopedia from being overrun by authoritarian left and anti-authoritarian right (as well as other unrelated content).<br />
<br />
People want to exclude from Anarchopedia sexist, racist, homophobic, pro-state, etc. contents.<br />
<br />
The case of "anarcho"-capitalism should also be defined in APOV (accepted or rejected).<br />
<br />
The aim is to make a common ground.<br />
<br />
[[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] believed that this will lead to censorship and interfighting.<br />
<br />
[[:fr:User:Stevo|Stevo]] believed that this will clarify the aim of Anarchopedia, which is an encyclopaedia about anarchism for the french one.<br />
<br />
[[:fr:User:Libre|Libre]] will translate the [[:fr:APOV|french article]].<br />
<br />
Decision will be reached during the next general meeting.<br />
<br />
===Better interwiki communication===<br />
How to communicate with for example [http://chi.anarchopedia.org chinese's anarchopedia]?<br />
<br />
===Body to control domain===<br />
'''No solutions founded'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] is at the moment only owner of domain.<br />
<br />
It will be hard to register association on international level<br />
<br />
==Signed off==<br />
* I think there were more points, but this is what i remember to be correct [[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
* I think this is a correct representation of the views expressed during the meeting. I strongly disagree with censoring minority views as that would imply either continous in-fighting between factions (attempting to censor each other), or the emergence of a [[centralism|central]] governing body deciding what can be published and what cannot. ([[Anarchopedia:en:what_Anarchopedia_is_not|What Anarchopedia is not]]) Censorship can be avoided by moving minority views from the main namespace. ([http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DeleteByMoving delete by moving]). Content which is not supported by any minority or which may put at risk the survival of Anarchopedia (spam, libel) should however be removed. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 16:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
** The aim is not to censored content. As it said in [[Anarchopedia:en:itself]]: ''<nowiki>[Anarchopedia is]</nowiki> An encyclopedia of anarchism'', so an APOV could help us to define what is anarchism for Anarchopedia's users and avoid discussion with no and between for example an "anarcho"-capitalist and an anti-capitalist. As I see, I've left wikipedia because of the libertarians who change the ''NPOV'' in their own POV, using any means necessary (liying, power of the number in vote to decide if something is true or not, vandalism). The problem is the same with "anarcho"-racism, "anarcho"-nationalism... I don't wan't to see anarchopedia became an other wikipedia. [[:fr:User:Stevo|'''<font color="#FF0000">S</font><font color="#000000">tevo</font>''']] 15:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
*** That is one of the reasons I left Wikipedia too... I suppose such faults are inherent in any collaborative project adopting a semi-authoritarian model, with rules enforced by a separate class of users (sysops). I have had some problems with anarcho-capitalists on english anarchopedia, (see for example the [[eng:anarcho-capitalism|article on anarcho-capitalism]]). I think adopting the "anarchist points of view" will be useful to clarify the matter, but discussions will continue as long as the project remains active... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 17:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
**** As I said during the meeting - I had the same problems as you with trolls and right-wingers as you on Wikipedia, and I see preparing APOV as absolutely necessary move.--[[User:XaViER|XaViER]] 10:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==[[3rd General Meeting/log|log]]==<br />
<br />
[[Category:General Meetings]]</div>
Rev 22
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=3rd_General_Meeting&diff=22295
3rd General Meeting
2009-09-01T02:34:56Z
<p>Rev 22: removing spam</p>
<hr />
<div>==Discussed==<br />
# Choosing hosting option (tachanka?)<br />
# APOV - we should decide what is and what is not APOV <br />
# Better communication between local @pedia collectives (does anybody know someone from ie. the chinese @pedia?)<br />
# Body to control domain<br />
<br />
==Decisions==<br />
===Hosting===<br />
'''Consensus reached'''<br />
<br />
It was unanimously decided that Anarchopedia and other collectives that use Anarchopedia hosting should move to '''''tachanka'''''.<br /><br />
Main reason for decision seemed to be that &ldquo;anything is better than current set-up&rdquo;<br />
<br />
'''''The cost of this hosting is about 100€/month.'''''<br />
<br />
The hosting and the cost of the hosting will be shared with some others websites:<br />
* kontrapunkt - paid 30€/month<br />
* [http://indymedia.dk/ indymedia.dk]<br />
<br />
Money will be raised by donations, and at least one of [[fundraiser]] will be organised by [[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] and [[:fr:User:stevo|stevo]] (around December).<br />
<br />
Donations preview ''(If you can donate regularly, please say so in the discussion of this page and update the amount below)'':<br />
* 20€/month from [http://deu.anarchopedia.org/ Germany]<br />
* 5€/month from [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/ France]<br />
Total: 25€/month<br />
<br />
It was noted that tachanka doesn't demand the exact sum of money, but rather asks for donations.<br />
<br />
====Detail about tachanka====<br />
[https://www.tachanka.org/ Website]<br />
<br />
<Alster> there's no contract yet and there won't be one, i don't think. what we've been talking about so far...<br /><br />
<Alster> tachanka would setup between 2 and 4 [http://linux-vserver.org/ vservers] with a total resources like this: 30 GB HDD, 1024 MB RAM<br /><br />
<Alster> additionally, backup space on a remote server would be offered at some point<br /><br />
<Alster> so you can have backups on two physically seperate locations<br /><br />
<Alster> there's no specific prices, but we've made suggestions as to what could be paid<br /><br />
<eamr> tachanka is a radical political provider - is it right?<br /><br />
<Alster> that's correct<br /><br />
<Alster> Tachanka is very dedicated to secure setups, which protect your privacy and the privacy of your users.<br /><br />
<Alster> for example, we have quite strict logging polcies<br /><br />
<Alster> we work on top of encrypted hard disk partitions<br /><br />
<br />
===APOV===<br />
'''Consensus not reached'''<br />
<br />
Most people felt that there should be some sort of Anarchist POV is needed to protect Anarchopedia from being overrun by authoritarian left and anti-authoritarian right (as well as other unrelated content).<br />
<br />
People want to exclude from Anarchopedia sexist, racist, homophobic, pro-state, etc. contents.<br />
<br />
The case of "anarcho"-capitalism should also be defined in APOV (accepted or rejected).<br />
<br />
The aim is to make a common ground.<br />
<br />
[[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] believed that this will lead to censorship and interfighting.<br />
<br />
[[:fr:User:Stevo|Stevo]] believed that this will clarify the aim of Anarchopedia, which is an encyclopaedia about anarchism for the french one.<br />
<br />
[[:fr:User:Libre|Libre]] will translate the [[:fr:APOV|french article]].<br />
<br />
Decision will be reached during the next general meeting.<br />
<br />
===Better interwiki communication===<br />
How to communicate with for example [http://chi.anarchopedia.org chinese's anarchopedia]?<br />
<br />
===Body to control domain===<br />
'''No solutions founded'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] is at the moment only owner of domain.<br />
<br />
It will be hard to register association on international level<br />
<br />
==Signed off==<br />
* I think there were more points, but this is what i remember to be correct [[:en:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
* I think this is a correct representation of the views expressed during the meeting. I strongly disagree with censoring minority views as that would imply either continous in-fighting between factions (attempting to censor each other), or the emergence of a [[centralism|central]] governing body deciding what can be published and what cannot. ([[Anarchopedia:en:what_Anarchopedia_is_not|What Anarchopedia is not]]) Censorship can be avoided by moving minority views from the main namespace. ([http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DeleteByMoving delete by moving]). Content which is not supported by any minority or which may put at risk the survival of Anarchopedia (spam, libel) should however be removed. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 16:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
** The aim is not to censored content. As it said in [[Anarchopedia:en:itself]]: ''<nowiki>[Anarchopedia is]</nowiki> An encyclopedia of anarchism'', so an APOV could help us to define what is anarchism for Anarchopedia's users and avoid discussion with no and between for example an "anarcho"-capitalist and an anti-capitalist. As I see, I've left wikipedia because of the libertarians who change the ''NPOV'' in their own POV, using any means necessary (liying, power of the number in vote to decide if something is true or not, vandalism). The problem is the same with "anarcho"-racism, "anarcho"-nationalism... I don't wan't to see anarchopedia became an other wikipedia. [[:fr:User:Stevo|'''<font color="#FF0000">S</font><font color="#000000">tevo</font>''']] 15:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
*** That is one of the reasons I left Wikipedia too... I suppose such faults are inherent in any collaborative project adopting a semi-authoritarian model, with rules enforced by a separate class of users (sysops). I have had some problems with anarcho-capitalists on english anarchopedia, (see for example the [[eng:anarcho-capitalism|article on anarcho-capitalism]]). I think adopting the "anarchist points of view" will be useful to clarify the matter, but discussions will continue as long as the project remains active... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 17:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
**** As I said during the meeting - I had the same problems as you with trolls and right-wingers as you on Wikipedia, and I see preparing APOV as absolutely necessary move.--[[User:XaViER|XaViER]] 10:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==[[3rd General Meeting/log|log]]==<br />
<br />
[[Category:General Meetings]]</div>
Rev 22
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=License_change/Decision&diff=22242
License change/Decision
2009-07-25T10:19:30Z
<p>Rev 22: Reverted edits by 61.148.115.250 (Talk) to last version by Rev 22</p>
<hr />
<div>The license of Anarchopedia for interfering with statist and capitalist entities is [[GFDL]] (otherwise, we don't care about it). The main reason for choosing that license is compatibility with Wikipedia. Wikipedia is now changing license to a kind of double licensing between GFDL and CC-BY-SA. Basically, the change is not relevant from our point, '''but''' if we don't change the license as Wikipedia changes it, the content from Anarchopedia won't be able to be included in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Because of that, we need to make a decision.<br />
<br />
'''Discussion and voting starts at March 19th and ends at April 20th, 23:59.''' Option with the most of the votes will pass. One person may vote once '''per option'''.<br />
<br />
== Relevant pages ==<br />
<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update Licensing update] page for Wikimedia projects.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Questions_and_Answers Questions and answers] made by Wikimedia community and WMF staff.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/License_comparison License comparison] at Meta Wikimedia.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Timeline Timeline] of the Wikimedia transition.<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
About import into Anarchopedia: is it so big problem? Will anyone worry if Anarchopedia breaks licensing? Even if yes, I don't think that import articles is so important for Anarchopedia. I think it's better to write one's own small anarchistic article than copy a big and substantially useless one.<br />
<br />
About export from Anarchopedia. This is not problem of Anarchopedia, this is problem of Wikipedia (and others). But! It will be problem only if Anarchopedia is against export. As mentioned above, 'license of Anarchopedia for interfering with statist and capitalist entities is GFDL (otherwise, we don't care about it)'. So, we are not against that out articles will be copyed. '''There is no problem of export at all!'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Importing articles is not an issue because Wikipedia will have a form of dual licensing, which means that only articles with explicitly CC-BY-SA-only contributions won't be able to be imported. The number of such articles will raise, but I don't think that it will be a serious issue in the future. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
: More important issue is related to spreading our work. The fact is that Wikipedia is the most important online knowledge resource. While Wikipedia per se is not a statist nor capitalist entity, Wikipedia follows strictly statist and capitalist rules. If we don't allow them explicitly to use our content, they won't use it. We may treat it as a problem which is not our, in the sense of Anarchopedian community, but I think that it is a problem in the sense of spreading our ideas. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
According to Jimmy Wales, the reasons for Wikimedia to move from the GFDL to the CC-BY-SA license are: <br />
<br />
"The GFDL was originally formulated to address a specific set of problems, including the possibility that some companies might use non-free documentation as a way of encumbering otherwise free software. The design decisions that went into development of a documentation license don't always address the problems that come up with massive multi-user collaboration projects like Wikipedia, and they may in fact create new problems that make free content less easy to use.<br />
<br />
This is a large part of the reason why Creative Commons has designed a specific generic copyleft license for works which are not software, the CC-BY-SA license. The Creative Commons licenses have seen rapid adoption on the web, with more than 130 million works estimated to be licensed under one of them." --[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 21:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Poll ==<br />
<br />
'''Decision on this poll is valid only if Wikimedia changes their licensing.'''<br />
<br />
=== I don't care ===<br />
(These votes won't be counted.)<br />
<br />
* (This is no vote, just a comment.) I don't like others to make profit from what I write, so I'd like to have the NC (non-commercial) option added when switching to CC. To me this is even more important than trying to get our articles copied to wikipedia. I'm thus not tempted to take part in this poll :-)<br />
** The option below allows it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to multiple licensing / public domain ===<br />
(We would be able to import every articles of wikipedia and other sites (multiple licensing). We would be able to give our original articles to wikipedia and other sites (public domain). All options would need more defining, but this one will need especially more defining: which licenses are acceptable.)<br />
<br />
# The best option for me. --[[User:K2|K2]] 22:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
# --[[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]] 10:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
# well, isnt it just the same like dual licensing just otherweise said? i think its not really relevant for a-pedia wether it will be run under GFDL or cc-by-sa. but if its only the question of formalities, i m for combining these two licenses this way. --[[User:Spongebob S. Pants|Spongebob S. Pants]] 17:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
* '''<s>This is not an option</s>''', according to the GFDL terms. The only option is to switch to CC-BY-SA. BTW, it (Wikipedia-like license) will look like share-alike PD in practice. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
** To be more precise: "Wikipedia-like" means any option which includes CC-BY-SA inside of it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
*** I understood now the sense of the proposal. However, just ''new'' materials may be under PD, which would make our life more complex. <br />
At the other side, I don't think that it is an important issue to us. I don't expect that any anarchist would sue someone else because of license violation. We need licensing just because of explicitly saying to some statist and capitalist entities and entities which follow statist and capitalist rules that they may copy our content under specific conditions. For everybody else, licensing issues are completely irrelevant. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 15:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<tt>However, just ''new'' materials may be under PD, which would make our life more complex.</tt><br />
* Yes, I said "our original articles". Original articles in PD and the other articles under licenses.<br />
Life is easy if you use templates: http://ita.anarchopedia.org/Tag_licenze --[[User:K2|K2]] 00:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<tt>We need licensing just because of explicitly saying to some statist and capitalist entities and entities which follow statist and capitalist rules that they may copy our content under specific conditions.</tt><br />
* Yes, you can say to them: "''See the template at the end of the article. If you don't see any template, the article is in the PD.''". This option is the only way to import every articles of wikipedia and '''other sites''' '''legally'''. For example, if you use GFDL or CC-BY-SA, you cannot import an article released under cc-by-nc. This is a great limit. In my opinion, anarchopedia don't want limits. The Knowledge don't want limits. Eat, dear anarchopedia, eat every content! :-) --[[User:K2|K2]] 00:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
** The formal problem with licenses is that we are able to use just one licensing type of external materials per article. For example, if we import GFDL text, we are not able to import CC-BY-(NC)-SA there, too. However, if we say that templates are solving "the complexity of our life" :) I agree that it is a valid option. At least, we don't care about licenses and we may take a pragmatic approach: we'll use any license while we wouldn't have problems with state enforcement. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Stay at GFDL ===<br />
(We would be able to import current Wikipedia articles, but we won't be able to give our articles to Wikipedia in the future and won't be able to import CC-BY-SA-only articles from Wikipedia and other sources.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Wikipedia licensing ===<br />
(Anarchopedia articles could be freely mixed with Wikipedia content and CC-BY-SA content from other sources, but we won't be able to import GFDL-only articles.)<br />
#[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Wikipedia licensing with a possibility of importing GFDL texts ===<br />
(As previous, but we would be able to import GFDL-only articles. The resulting GFDL-only Anarchopedia articles could not be exported to Wikipedia. This option makes our life very complex.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to the straight dual licensing ===<br />
(We would be able to import current Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia would be able to take our articles, but '''we woult not''' be able to import CC-BY-SA-only articles from Wikipedia or other sources and GFDL-only articles from other sources.)<br />
#This is the best option, I suppose --[[User:Anna|Anna]] 22:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
#Hi! Me too.--[[User:F.1|F.1]] 23:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to the straight dual licensing with a possibility to import GFDL and CC-BY-SA texts ===<br />
(Combination of the two previous options. Anarchopedia GFDL-only articles could not be exported to wikipedia. It makes our life very complex.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to CC-BY-SA ===<br />
(Similar to switching to Wikipedia licensing, but simpler solution with only one future license for Anarchopedia: Anarchopedia articles could be freely mixed with Wikipedia content and CC-BY-SA content from other sources, but we won't be able to import GFDL-only articles.)<br />
#[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Public Domain ===<br />
Licenses are a matter of copyright law, which is backed up with state violence. Why are we discussing this? Release to the public domain. Yes, this does mean that propertarian scum can profit from it, but I fail to see how we as anarchists can advocate blocking that through state violence.<br />
:In practice, your proposal is the same as the first one ("Switch to multiple licensing / public domain"). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
[[Category:Anarchopedia]]</div>
Rev 22
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=License_change/Decision&diff=22232
License change/Decision
2009-07-19T09:26:16Z
<p>Rev 22: Reverted edits by 208.98.17.162 (Talk) to last version by Rev 22</p>
<hr />
<div>The license of Anarchopedia for interfering with statist and capitalist entities is [[GFDL]] (otherwise, we don't care about it). The main reason for choosing that license is compatibility with Wikipedia. Wikipedia is now changing license to a kind of double licensing between GFDL and CC-BY-SA. Basically, the change is not relevant from our point, '''but''' if we don't change the license as Wikipedia changes it, the content from Anarchopedia won't be able to be included in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Because of that, we need to make a decision.<br />
<br />
'''Discussion and voting starts at March 19th and ends at April 20th, 23:59.''' Option with the most of the votes will pass. One person may vote once '''per option'''.<br />
<br />
== Relevant pages ==<br />
<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update Licensing update] page for Wikimedia projects.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Questions_and_Answers Questions and answers] made by Wikimedia community and WMF staff.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/License_comparison License comparison] at Meta Wikimedia.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Timeline Timeline] of the Wikimedia transition.<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
About import into Anarchopedia: is it so big problem? Will anyone worry if Anarchopedia breaks licensing? Even if yes, I don't think that import articles is so important for Anarchopedia. I think it's better to write one's own small anarchistic article than copy a big and substantially useless one.<br />
<br />
About export from Anarchopedia. This is not problem of Anarchopedia, this is problem of Wikipedia (and others). But! It will be problem only if Anarchopedia is against export. As mentioned above, 'license of Anarchopedia for interfering with statist and capitalist entities is GFDL (otherwise, we don't care about it)'. So, we are not against that out articles will be copyed. '''There is no problem of export at all!'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Importing articles is not an issue because Wikipedia will have a form of dual licensing, which means that only articles with explicitly CC-BY-SA-only contributions won't be able to be imported. The number of such articles will raise, but I don't think that it will be a serious issue in the future. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
: More important issue is related to spreading our work. The fact is that Wikipedia is the most important online knowledge resource. While Wikipedia per se is not a statist nor capitalist entity, Wikipedia follows strictly statist and capitalist rules. If we don't allow them explicitly to use our content, they won't use it. We may treat it as a problem which is not our, in the sense of Anarchopedian community, but I think that it is a problem in the sense of spreading our ideas. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
According to Jimmy Wales, the reasons for Wikimedia to move from the GFDL to the CC-BY-SA license are: <br />
<br />
"The GFDL was originally formulated to address a specific set of problems, including the possibility that some companies might use non-free documentation as a way of encumbering otherwise free software. The design decisions that went into development of a documentation license don't always address the problems that come up with massive multi-user collaboration projects like Wikipedia, and they may in fact create new problems that make free content less easy to use.<br />
<br />
This is a large part of the reason why Creative Commons has designed a specific generic copyleft license for works which are not software, the CC-BY-SA license. The Creative Commons licenses have seen rapid adoption on the web, with more than 130 million works estimated to be licensed under one of them." --[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 21:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Poll ==<br />
<br />
'''Decision on this poll is valid only if Wikimedia changes their licensing.'''<br />
<br />
=== I don't care ===<br />
(These votes won't be counted.)<br />
<br />
* (This is no vote, just a comment.) I don't like others to make profit from what I write, so I'd like to have the NC (non-commercial) option added when switching to CC. To me this is even more important than trying to get our articles copied to wikipedia. I'm thus not tempted to take part in this poll :-)<br />
** The option below allows it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to multiple licensing / public domain ===<br />
(We would be able to import every articles of wikipedia and other sites (multiple licensing). We would be able to give our original articles to wikipedia and other sites (public domain). All options would need more defining, but this one will need especially more defining: which licenses are acceptable.)<br />
<br />
# The best option for me. --[[User:K2|K2]] 22:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
# --[[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]] 10:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
# well, isnt it just the same like dual licensing just otherweise said? i think its not really relevant for a-pedia wether it will be run under GFDL or cc-by-sa. but if its only the question of formalities, i m for combining these two licenses this way. --[[User:Spongebob S. Pants|Spongebob S. Pants]] 17:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
* '''<s>This is not an option</s>''', according to the GFDL terms. The only option is to switch to CC-BY-SA. BTW, it (Wikipedia-like license) will look like share-alike PD in practice. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
** To be more precise: "Wikipedia-like" means any option which includes CC-BY-SA inside of it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
*** I understood now the sense of the proposal. However, just ''new'' materials may be under PD, which would make our life more complex. <br />
At the other side, I don't think that it is an important issue to us. I don't expect that any anarchist would sue someone else because of license violation. We need licensing just because of explicitly saying to some statist and capitalist entities and entities which follow statist and capitalist rules that they may copy our content under specific conditions. For everybody else, licensing issues are completely irrelevant. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 15:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<tt>However, just ''new'' materials may be under PD, which would make our life more complex.</tt><br />
* Yes, I said "our original articles". Original articles in PD and the other articles under licenses.<br />
Life is easy if you use templates: http://ita.anarchopedia.org/Tag_licenze --[[User:K2|K2]] 00:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<tt>We need licensing just because of explicitly saying to some statist and capitalist entities and entities which follow statist and capitalist rules that they may copy our content under specific conditions.</tt><br />
* Yes, you can say to them: "''See the template at the end of the article. If you don't see any template, the article is in the PD.''". This option is the only way to import every articles of wikipedia and '''other sites''' '''legally'''. For example, if you use GFDL or CC-BY-SA, you cannot import an article released under cc-by-nc. This is a great limit. In my opinion, anarchopedia don't want limits. The Knowledge don't want limits. Eat, dear anarchopedia, eat every content! :-) --[[User:K2|K2]] 00:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
** The formal problem with licenses is that we are able to use just one licensing type of external materials per article. For example, if we import GFDL text, we are not able to import CC-BY-(NC)-SA there, too. However, if we say that templates are solving "the complexity of our life" :) I agree that it is a valid option. At least, we don't care about licenses and we may take a pragmatic approach: we'll use any license while we wouldn't have problems with state enforcement. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Stay at GFDL ===<br />
(We would be able to import current Wikipedia articles, but we won't be able to give our articles to Wikipedia in the future and won't be able to import CC-BY-SA-only articles from Wikipedia and other sources.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Wikipedia licensing ===<br />
(Anarchopedia articles could be freely mixed with Wikipedia content and CC-BY-SA content from other sources, but we won't be able to import GFDL-only articles.)<br />
#[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Wikipedia licensing with a possibility of importing GFDL texts ===<br />
(As previous, but we would be able to import GFDL-only articles. The resulting GFDL-only Anarchopedia articles could not be exported to Wikipedia. This option makes our life very complex.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to the straight dual licensing ===<br />
(We would be able to import current Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia would be able to take our articles, but '''we woult not''' be able to import CC-BY-SA-only articles from Wikipedia or other sources and GFDL-only articles from other sources.)<br />
#This is the best option, I suppose --[[User:Anna|Anna]] 22:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
#Hi! Me too.--[[User:F.1|F.1]] 23:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=== Switch to the straight dual licensing with a possibility to import GFDL and CC-BY-SA texts ===<br />
(Combination of the two previous options. Anarchopedia GFDL-only articles could not be exported to wikipedia. It makes our life very complex.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to CC-BY-SA ===<br />
(Similar to switching to Wikipedia licensing, but simpler solution with only one future license for Anarchopedia: Anarchopedia articles could be freely mixed with Wikipedia content and CC-BY-SA content from other sources, but we won't be able to import GFDL-only articles.)<br />
#[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Public Domain ===<br />
Licenses are a matter of copyright law, which is backed up with state violence. Why are we discussing this? Release to the public domain. Yes, this does mean that propertarian scum can profit from it, but I fail to see how we as anarchists can advocate blocking that through state violence.<br />
:In practice, your proposal is the same as the first one ("Switch to multiple licensing / public domain"). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<div>I like this default value. [[User:Sj|Sj]] 02:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Possible Licenses ==<br />
Creative Commons: Attribution-Share Alike 3.0<br />
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/<br />
<br />
CopyLeft<br />
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== Rescued link ==<br />
<br />
I didn't see this anywhere and had to find it through my own history. It should be posted somewhere because it contains pertinent background info: http://meta.anarchopedia.org/License_change<br />
:Added. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Licensing: purity versus pragmatism ==<br />
<br />
I find myself torn on this issue. If we want to remain pure anarchists, then of course we can't wield copyright law to our own advantage; we must release to the public domain. But why remain pure on this one count when we're not pure on so many others? We compromise with the enemies of anarchism all the time. For instance, I'm sure most of us are connected to the Internet via capitalist ISPs; but we are justified in this because we're using capitalism to undermine capitalism. And that's the entire point of copyleft licensing: using copyright to undermine copyright! In all candor, I feel less pure knowing that we're potentially contributing to capitalism by releasing to the public domain (where capitalists might capitalize on our work), than I would feel by releasing under a copyleft license like the GPL. Considering the realities of the situation, releasing to the public domain seems to be not only an empty expression of anarchist purity, but a self-destructive one; it is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.<br />
<br />
== A topical essay ==<br />
<br />
Anyone interested in the licensing discussion should read this excellent, thought-provoking essay by Anna Nimus (reading time ~1 hr; I had to break the link to get past the spam filter):<br />
<br />
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html<br />
<br />
This is a complicated issue. Here is a summary of the problem, as I see it:<br />
<br />
1) As anarchists, we want information to be free, so we feel compelled to release to the public domain;<br />
<br />
2) But we don't want to empower our enemies, so we feel compelled to use their own copyright law against them by releasing under a copyleft license.<br />
<br />
3) However, not all copyleft licenses are alike, so we feel compelled to use one with a non-commercial clause;<br />
<br />
4) But the more restrictive we become, the more we compromise on our principles.<br />
<br />
5) Moreover, by releasing under any license whatsoever, we affirm that which we oppose: the control of information.<br />
<br />
So the complication is twofold: 1) can we justify using means which compromise our principles, for the sake of achieving ends which uphold them; 2) if yes, then does our desire to achieve those ends outweigh our desire to reject the very concept of the ownership of ideas. If not, then we're back where we started: we can only grind our teeth as our enemies capitalize on our efforts to spread information freely; we can only implore them not to exploit us for their own gain; we can only stand by and watch as our principles are violated, thereby facilitating their violation, and, in effect, compromising once again.<br />
<br />
In short: We're damned if we license, and damned if we don't.</div>
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<div>The license of Anarchopedia for interfering with statist and capitalist entities is [[GFDL]] (otherwise, we don't care about it). The main reason for choosing that license is compatibility with Wikipedia. Wikipedia is now changing license to a kind of double licensing between GFDL and CC-BY-SA. Basically, the change is not relevant from our point, '''but''' if we don't change the license as Wikipedia changes it, the content from Anarchopedia won't be able to be included in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Because of that, we need to make a decision.<br />
<br />
'''Discussion and voting starts at March 19th and ends at April 20th, 23:59.''' Option with the most of the votes will pass. One person may vote once '''per option'''.<br />
<br />
== Relevant pages ==<br />
<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update Licensing update] page for Wikimedia projects.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Questions_and_Answers Questions and answers] made by Wikimedia community and WMF staff.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/License_comparison License comparison] at Meta Wikimedia.<br />
* [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Timeline Timeline] of the Wikimedia transition.<br />
<br />
== Discussion ==<br />
About import into Anarchopedia: is it so big problem? Will anyone worry if Anarchopedia breaks licensing? Even if yes, I don't think that import articles is so important for Anarchopedia. I think it's better to write one's own small anarchistic article than copy a big and substantially useless one.<br />
<br />
About export from Anarchopedia. This is not problem of Anarchopedia, this is problem of Wikipedia (and others). But! It will be problem only if Anarchopedia is against export. As mentioned above, 'license of Anarchopedia for interfering with statist and capitalist entities is GFDL (otherwise, we don't care about it)'. So, we are not against that out articles will be copyed. '''There is no problem of export at all!'''<br />
<br />
[[User:Caesarion|Caesarion]] 16:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Importing articles is not an issue because Wikipedia will have a form of dual licensing, which means that only articles with explicitly CC-BY-SA-only contributions won't be able to be imported. The number of such articles will raise, but I don't think that it will be a serious issue in the future. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
: More important issue is related to spreading our work. The fact is that Wikipedia is the most important online knowledge resource. While Wikipedia per se is not a statist nor capitalist entity, Wikipedia follows strictly statist and capitalist rules. If we don't allow them explicitly to use our content, they won't use it. We may treat it as a problem which is not our, in the sense of Anarchopedian community, but I think that it is a problem in the sense of spreading our ideas. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 01:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
According to Jimmy Wales, the reasons for Wikimedia to move from the GFDL to the CC-BY-SA license are: <br />
<br />
"The GFDL was originally formulated to address a specific set of problems, including the possibility that some companies might use non-free documentation as a way of encumbering otherwise free software. The design decisions that went into development of a documentation license don't always address the problems that come up with massive multi-user collaboration projects like Wikipedia, and they may in fact create new problems that make free content less easy to use.<br />
<br />
This is a large part of the reason why Creative Commons has designed a specific generic copyleft license for works which are not software, the CC-BY-SA license. The Creative Commons licenses have seen rapid adoption on the web, with more than 130 million works estimated to be licensed under one of them." --[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 21:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Poll ==<br />
<br />
'''Decision on this poll is valid only if Wikimedia changes their licensing.'''<br />
<br />
=== I don't care ===<br />
(These votes won't be counted.)<br />
<br />
* (This is no vote, just a comment.) I don't like others to make profit from what I write, so I'd like to have the NC (non-commercial) option added when switching to CC. To me this is even more important than trying to get our articles copied to wikipedia. I'm thus not tempted to take part in this poll :-)<br />
** The option below allows it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 18:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to multiple licensing / public domain ===<br />
(We would be able to import every articles of wikipedia and other sites (multiple licensing). We would be able to give our original articles to wikipedia and other sites (public domain). All options would need more defining, but this one will need especially more defining: which licenses are acceptable.)<br />
<br />
# The best option for me. --[[User:K2|K2]] 22:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
# --[[User:Esperanza|Esperanza]] 10:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
# well, isnt it just the same like dual licensing just otherweise said? i think its not really relevant for a-pedia wether it will be run under GFDL or cc-by-sa. but if its only the question of formalities, i m for combining these two licenses this way. --[[User:Spongebob S. Pants|Spongebob S. Pants]] 17:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
* '''<s>This is not an option</s>''', according to the GFDL terms. The only option is to switch to CC-BY-SA. BTW, it (Wikipedia-like license) will look like share-alike PD in practice. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
** To be more precise: "Wikipedia-like" means any option which includes CC-BY-SA inside of it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
*** I understood now the sense of the proposal. However, just ''new'' materials may be under PD, which would make our life more complex. <br />
At the other side, I don't think that it is an important issue to us. I don't expect that any anarchist would sue someone else because of license violation. We need licensing just because of explicitly saying to some statist and capitalist entities and entities which follow statist and capitalist rules that they may copy our content under specific conditions. For everybody else, licensing issues are completely irrelevant. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 15:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<tt>However, just ''new'' materials may be under PD, which would make our life more complex.</tt><br />
* Yes, I said "our original articles". Original articles in PD and the other articles under licenses.<br />
Life is easy if you use templates: http://ita.anarchopedia.org/Tag_licenze --[[User:K2|K2]] 00:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<tt>We need licensing just because of explicitly saying to some statist and capitalist entities and entities which follow statist and capitalist rules that they may copy our content under specific conditions.</tt><br />
* Yes, you can say to them: "''See the template at the end of the article. If you don't see any template, the article is in the PD.''". This option is the only way to import every articles of wikipedia and '''other sites''' '''legally'''. For example, if you use GFDL or CC-BY-SA, you cannot import an article released under cc-by-nc. This is a great limit. In my opinion, anarchopedia don't want limits. The Knowledge don't want limits. Eat, dear anarchopedia, eat every content! :-) --[[User:K2|K2]] 00:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
** The formal problem with licenses is that we are able to use just one licensing type of external materials per article. For example, if we import GFDL text, we are not able to import CC-BY-(NC)-SA there, too. However, if we say that templates are solving "the complexity of our life" :) I agree that it is a valid option. At least, we don't care about licenses and we may take a pragmatic approach: we'll use any license while we wouldn't have problems with state enforcement. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Stay at GFDL ===<br />
(We would be able to import current Wikipedia articles, but we won't be able to give our articles to Wikipedia in the future and won't be able to import CC-BY-SA-only articles from Wikipedia and other sources.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Wikipedia licensing ===<br />
(Anarchopedia articles could be freely mixed with Wikipedia content and CC-BY-SA content from other sources, but we won't be able to import GFDL-only articles.)<br />
#[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Wikipedia licensing with a possibility of importing GFDL texts ===<br />
(As previous, but we would be able to import GFDL-only articles. The resulting GFDL-only Anarchopedia articles could not be exported to Wikipedia. This option makes our life very complex.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to the straight dual licensing ===<br />
(We would be able to import current Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia would be able to take our articles, but '''we woult not''' be able to import CC-BY-SA-only articles from Wikipedia or other sources and GFDL-only articles from other sources.)<br />
#This is the best option, I suppose --[[User:Anna|Anna]] 22:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
#Hi! Me too.--[[User:F.1|F.1]] 23:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to the straight dual licensing with a possibility to import GFDL and CC-BY-SA texts ===<br />
(Combination of the two previous options. Anarchopedia GFDL-only articles could not be exported to wikipedia. It makes our life very complex.)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to CC-BY-SA ===<br />
(Similar to switching to Wikipedia licensing, but simpler solution with only one future license for Anarchopedia: Anarchopedia articles could be freely mixed with Wikipedia content and CC-BY-SA content from other sources, but we won't be able to import GFDL-only articles.)<br />
#[[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 14:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Switch to Public Domain ===<br />
Licenses are a matter of copyright law, which is backed up with state violence. Why are we discussing this? Release to the public domain. Yes, this does mean that propertarian scum can profit from it, but I fail to see how we as anarchists can advocate blocking that through state violence.<br />
:In practice, your proposal is the same as the first one ("Switch to multiple licensing / public domain"). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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ouquaite\.freeweb7\.com<br />
ifrance\.com\/img<br />
fluffy-mind\.ifrance\.com<br />
ultra-creator\.110mb\.com<br />
wedner\.info\/content<br />
125mb\.com\/web\/last-minute<br />
kocarawf\.125mb\.com<br />
remayfuy\.airsofthost\.com<br />
jessicaalbanake\.com<br />
zodip\.info<br />
nibko\.info<br />
puli\.org\.cn<br />
blender-too\.cn<br />
ifrance\.com<br />
125mb\.com<br />
150mb\.com<br />
rohutsonik\.angelfire\.com<br />
buytramadolpills\.info<br />
infoforit\.info<br />
tanned\.cn<br />
itforus\.info<br />
likit\.info<br />
h18\.ru<br />
freehostia\.com<br />
horcrionebay\.ifrance\.com<br />
wpfreeblogs\.com<br />
glchinsy\.angelfire\.com<br />
dreameradrift\.ibelgique\.com<br />
kitmun\.cn<br />
knock-knock\.cn<br />
fast-road\.cn<br />
kefensic\.angelfire\.com<br />
armbreak\.angelfire\.com<br />
assure9\.cinebb\.com<br />
zyndopa\.info<br />
freepornclips\.bravehost\.com<br />
goxasi\.info<br />
hequila\.info<br />
hpirale\.info<br />
dbigirltlcxn\.com<br />
medvance\.edu<br />
firststepchat\.tripod\.com<br />
il-mondo\.nodify\.info<br />
jaily\.info<br />
technorati\.com/wtf<br />
forums\.ugo\.com/showthread\.php<br />
kwyndex\.info<br />
kevcan\.info<br />
littlesunshine\.50webs\.org<br />
drdos\.50webs\.org<br />
understandish\.50webs\.org<br />
dejablu503\.50webs\.org<br />
www\.lakeland\.cc\.il\.us\/alumni\/forum<br />
newcarma\.cn<br />
dewais\.info<br />
nygorer\.info<br />
xolia\.cn<br />
omestlo\.info<br />
buichi\.cn<br />
gazed\.cn<br />
unlain\.cn<br />
futari\.cn<br />
tramadol<br />
k12\.mo\.us<br />
borntofrag\.net<br />
pack357\.us<br />
support\.daemonnews\.org<br />
500hats\.net<br />
cutbit\.cn<br />
uzmilana\.com<br />
artfontany\.cz<br />
alpe-fountains\.com<br />
jtcmed\.com<br />
suncom\.uz<br />
jesper-holm\.dk<br />
marketingstat\.com<br />
blackhole\.aas\.org<br />
explon\.info<br />
deralma\.info<br />
twelika\.info<br />
rochene\.info<br />
roweche\.info<br />
droven\.info<br />
perils\.info<br />
thumba\.info<br />
choppie\.info<br />
neeze\.info<br />
glend\.info<br />
busied\.info<br />
zorgam\.info<br />
paraguay24\.de<br />
useth\.info<br />
iptek\.net\.id<br />
init-fi\.com<br />
nettihuuto\.com<br />
idilis\.ro<br />
isisle\.info<br />
quotex\.info<br />
open-box\.info<br />
unguem\.info<br />
wow-look\.info<br />
stoups\.info<br />
xanax<br />
wrawler\.info<br />
futurenuke\.com<br />
unrust\.info<br />
electrodrome\.net<br />
overhit\.info<br />
rotic\.info<br />
boyro\.info<br />
ercast\.info<br />
episomes\.info<br />
missmark\.info<br />
sicman\.com<br />
unbak\.info<br />
embrac\.info<br />
behav\.info<br />
www\.obsoletecomputermuseum\.org\/forums\/viewmessages\.php<br />
marsenshow\.nl<br />
(coolish|footle|injelly|skunkish|whacks)\.info<br />
(earlyg|wiither)\.cn<br />
w8w\.pl<br />
(adbo|ajdv|aqat)\.info<br />
servemp3\.com<br />
sizam\.cn<br />
(bozines|chummies|damiote|hulkage|minatare)\.info<br />
(aura|activeimage|2001)\.c3\.hu<br />
farmelco\.hu<br />
salona-yachts\.eu<br />
(adbo|aqat|ajdv)\.info<br />
(balkon|deske|pararadio|rajk|exindex|c3|kempelen)\.hu<br />
(dights|phytyl|radiosaid|longroot|tiptilt|alexinic|threader)\.info<br />
(rabbies|menevian|fodosion|neustons)\.info<br />
profil\.bz<br />
jushige\.cn<br />
(axta|bizc|cack)\.info<br />
(bibliored\.org|sedbogota\.edu)\.co<br />
(hoosierfishing|indianaoutfitters)\.com<br />
roycemotor\.com<br />
ankelia-nature\.com<br />
(asie|tch)-voyages\.com<br />
panties-pictures\.com<br />
lumayagrealty\.com<br />
hdac\.org<br />
lewakins\.com<br />
xuccco\.com<br />
coastguard\.co\.ph<br />
tarsierfoundation\.org<br />
talentmodeles\.com<br />
cvscaft-tcc\.edu\.ph<br />
norcab\.com\.au<br />
(clootie|vulkanik|evoker|bratzdoll|peyote|emptio|catchers|outstay|mary-jane|orbitar)\.cn<br />
businessconsultingguide\.info<br />
dahuc\.org<br />
pwnd\.net/forum<br />
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http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Rev_22&diff=22011
User talk:Rev 22
2009-04-06T22:15:38Z
<p>Rev 22: /* Earthquake... */</p>
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<div>Feel free to leave comments here or on [[eng:User talk:Rev 22|my talk page]] on [[eng:]].<br />
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You wrote "Socialism: is the mode of society in which goods are exchanged according to people's needs..."<br />
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What are goods in your opinion? (possible translation-problem) In my opinion goods only exists in capitalism, because goods also inluded labor and trade. Do You mean things? --[[User:X|X]] 07:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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For goods i meant any commodity that can be exchanged, like food, clothes etc, not labor or trade. Perhaps Marx's theory definition of "goods" includes labor, so I will correct the definition. Thanks for pointing out the problem. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 11:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Socialisme is commen te be misunderstood in many facets of the word. Socialism is a way of life in which you can freely give and receive back your needs by expressing them in any kind of way... Knowledge and food don't have to have a price the way they make it. Life just ain't that easy in many cases. Cases.. No.. Lifes...The need of money is exaturated in the modern society's. Money should contribute something to life. In this capitalistic sociaty everything has a price. Some just can't affort. That should not be necescary. Some are blinded by materialistic dreams. But materialisme is not human, and in that way not social. Socialisme cannot be defined in one word of sentance there are many books about it. I suggest that you should read one, just one. <br />
......... Sorry This is not my site, but I feel free to post this comment. If you don't want me doing it, I will stop and the owner is free to edit it :D:D <br />
Thanx for linking me!!! :D:D .. <br />
--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 18:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Thanx for reading my stuff!!!<br />
If you want to contact me? Feel free to do so.. ''(omitted to avoid spam)''--[[User:Annemiek|Miss @]] 20:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== error ==<br />
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sorry for that : [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=2510&diff=16736&oldid=16735], i read it too quickly, i didn't see that it was talks on indonesian language. i thank it was vandalism. [[User:Aspam|Aspam]] 14:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Koekje ==<br />
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Hi Rev, could you please sysop me on meta, then I can help with clearing up some spam/vandalism :) (special:nuke is for admins only). Thanks. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 07:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I will do as you start contributing on meta. Please think twice before deleting an image as they can't be undeleted with our software. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 15:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::So we should leave copyvios around then? [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you are sure that it's a copyvio, then get rid of it. If you are strongly suspiscious, then ask a question, if nobody answers then delete. If you just don't know use <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:copyright unknown|copyright unknown]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. Basically we aren't government enforcement body, we can abide by the laws when needed, but don't volunteer your help either... q;-) [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 16:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Fine, I'll tag them instead then :) had no idea that a procedure for deleting images existed here. Not sure what kind of 'contributions' I would need to make to meta though, all the content is on en: and I thought that any non-vandal could be an admin here... I'd just clear some stuff like [[Special:Contributions/Willy on Wheels|this]] up. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, to me it looked like a vandalism when today you deleted the image without asking anyone about it. So please forgive my hesitation. Aside from this, do you subscribe to any anarchist theories (individualism, social anarchism, mutualism)? Hopefully there is more you can do here than fighting vandals ;-) ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not an active anarchist in real life, but I do have an interest in the subject. I'm just a bored Wikipedia editor who likes the concept of a totally free wiki, so I decided to take a look around here at Anarchopedia, forgive me for not making any significant content contributions :) [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 15:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I see... I'm also an ex- wikipedia editor, I left them about two years ago because of their excessive concern with policies, and the difficulty to bring about reforms, though I value the time I was there also. Perhaps that aspect has improved lately, if, as I have been told, Wikimedia has become a representative democracy. Anarchopedia has openness and freedom as its stated goals, but in my opinion we still need to develop a fully decentralized system to build something that can be really large and thriving... ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Why did you remove my edits ==<br />
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Why did you remove my edits to the [[Main Page]]? You gave no explanation, and I thought I was helping. --[[User_talk:Anonymity|<font color="#E50">'''An</font><font color="#F60">o</font><font color="#E71">n</font><font color="#E8A">y</font><font color="#E82">mi</font><font color="#E94">ty</font>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 05:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I did not understand your version of the page then. The one I restored has larger links and descriptions in different languages. I would not remove them, feel free to continue your edits though. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 10:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Sysop ==<br />
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How can I be sysop of in Anarchopedia Portuguese? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 06:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, did you already contribute to Anarchopedia?. My view is that every contributor should be also a sysop. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 00:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi yes I contribute to the Anarchopedia in Portuguese as can be sysop? The project is abandoned in Portuguese and I will take care of it and need the tools of sysop and bureaucrat to better manage the project, help me? [[User:Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt|Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt]] 11:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Earthquake... ==<br />
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Are you OK? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm fine fortunately, thank you for the concern. I was awaken by the quake but in my region there was no damage it seems. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 22:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)</div>
Rev 22
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Sandbox&diff=21905
Sandbox
2009-02-06T16:22:31Z
<p>Rev 22: Redirecting to Anarchopedia:Sandbox</p>
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Rev 22
http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia_talk:English&diff=21838
Anarchopedia talk:English
2008-12-18T14:12:50Z
<p>Rev 22: Reverted edits by 218.210.63.162 (Talk) to last version by Rev 22</p>
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<div>== I made some revisions ==<br />
The original article said that if people don't speak English, that they should go to Anarchopedia:Syndicate and pick their language. But if they didn't speak English, THEY COULDN'T READ THAT MESSAGE. It also says to comply with the GFDL for other sites, but other sites don't necessarily support the GFDL. If a copyright holder doesn't want their content shared on other sources, it's illegal to plagiarize. So, I clarified both, as well as making... some other good edits. [[User:Vandal|Vandal]] 13:03, 21 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I think the ideal solution would be to write a multilingual Main Page with links to the different language-based "Syndicates". [[User:a|Anonymous]] 16:34, 21 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Good point. Of course, just leaving it up there as it is is rather humorously ironic. And by the way, please don't revert my article. I put a lot of work into it. If you want to improve it, I would appreciate it if you would just edit it instead of outright reverting it. [[User:Vandal|Vandal]] 19:47, 21 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::I personally don't know enough languages to make a multilingual page myself. I have made another revision of the main page, removing some of the sarcasm, adding links to the individual "syndicate" pages, and hopefully clearing up the inconsistency about the "GFDL corpus" you spotted. I have also removed the article counter as I think it is a bit silly. [[User:a|Anonymous]] 02:40, 22 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Messed up ==<br />
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the editing buttons are all messed up! I thought this was just a joke site! Sorry for vandalising!<br />
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I need to hit refresh before any of the buttons or left sidebar shows up<br />
:OK :) But, I don't understand what is the problem with buttons...--[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:15, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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== Site owner? ==<br />
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who is the site owner here? [[User:Tsunamic|Tsunamic]] 14:02, 30 Sep 2004 (CDT)<br />
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:The site owner seems to be [[User:Millosh]], who is also our [[Anarchopedia:Lowest Troll|Lowest Troll]].<br />
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== Theme ==<br />
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I think we should make the theme black. For one, it would distinguish it from other wiki based sites. For another, black is a common theme among anarchists ([[black flag]], etc.). And finally, it's easier on the eyes. --[[User:Paragon|Paragon]] 11:28, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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:I was think almost the same: Black part (upper or left) is anarchist part (anarchopedia); blue or yellow or some other colour (down or right) for other fields (encyclopedia). What do you think? However, I am not designer and it is not OK, I don't have anything against. Also, do anyone knows/can/wants to make Anarchopedia theme for MediaWiki? I can upload it... --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 11:40, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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::I don't know anything about making a MediaWiki theme, sorry. I was thinking of using a black background with light grey and/or white text though. Links could be light blue and red or something like that. Personally I don't like yellow. --[[User:Paragon|Paragon]] 12:29, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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:::Not to denegrate the work that's been done here so far, but the anarchapedia's main page design is quite nice...[[User:38.116.136.215|38.116.136.215]] 01:09, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::::Thank you :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 11:57, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Keep agoin' 'ere Buddy, but toning down the text into a lighter shade of grey would help my endurance here also; added a little hint about [http://www.anarchopedia.org/index.php/en:economics en:Ulrich von Beckerath] who's work can also be found in [http://www.free.de/geld ge:] --[[User:poetpiet|poetpiet]] 13 Oct<br />
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::::::I work on user interfaces in my day job, and although I can sympathize with the apparent intent of this visual appearance, if you will take these comments as a constructive criticism - this appearance is a big mistake!<br />
::::::Although it might be an effective gimmick to use a reversed text appearance for the front page, to use this appearance theme globally will make it too difficult to use the site for hours at a time. (I've only read a few pages, and I already have a headache from the harsh appearance of the text - especially on the talk pages.) There is a reason why reversed text is used sparingly - it is simply too tiring to the human eye to look at reversed text for long periods of time.<br />
::::::If you ever want this site to grow beyond an opening statement, into a site with real "legs", you'll inevitably need to use a more sane text color scheme for the bulk of your pages, as serious readers will simply not put up with this look.<br />
::::::Computer screens used to have this appearance a few decades ago, but once it became feasible to show high contrast, black on white text, user interface designers, and later almost all users, quickly abandoned the bizarre-looking reverse text appearance en masse, and this apperance has now faded into obscurity. These days you only see this scheme in odd places - point of sale terminals used in discount stores, or in military installations that are stuck on the macho green on black thing. :)<br />
::::::Please, more serious discussion and articles, and fewer gimmicks with the appearance. You've got a great start here on an alternative to Wikipedia, so please don't turn away your potential audience because of a gimmicky design that makes it tiring to read your text! --[[User:69.110.24.8|69.110.24.8]] 13:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It's not gimmicky, it's functional. High contrast only makes it worse. Having a white background makes the screen garish, and harsh on the eyes. Using a dark background makes for easy reading. [[User:Paragon|ParagonX]] 13:37, 2 Apr 2005 (CST)<br />
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== German Anarchopedia ==<br />
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I started working on the german anarchopedia site ;-)<br />
Well I work on deu.anarchopedia.org now, but I see that on anarchopedia.org(the english wiki) are already some german artikel, without any content so I stay on the German wiki, I would like to know were I shall work now. So at first I stay at deu.anarchopedia.org wiki ;-) --henning<br />
:Yes, deu.anarchopedia.org is the right place for Anarchopedia in German. [[Anarchopedia:Deutsch]] is the old page. When you copy (if you need) contents from the old page, it should be removed. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:37, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:Also, if you want developer status (and it would be nice to have at least one person with dev status), please ask [[User:Guanaco]] for that. (He knows MediaWiki a lot better then me :) ) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:40, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::I copied all Content(well there wasn't that much :P) you can delete that page now, Atm. iam working at a new design (you can see it on the main page). And tomorrow I get a user account here and conntact the guy for developer status(well I dont know what that is but..). Also I would like to give spread the starting of Anarchopedia Germany(indymedia germany etc.) is that okay? --henning<br />
:::Please, look at [[Anarchopedia:en:name space#Another decision about name space|here]] and vote :) We have problem about CPU usage if we are using Rewrite Engine in Apache. It is good idea to call other people to work, but if we would turn off Rewrite Engine, external links to articles will not work. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 16:24, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::Someone started German pages, but he is not active enymore. Also, contents of templates are at some other place (links to templates are broken). Also, I think that deu has more now then German page ever had :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 16:24, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::Developer can something (I forgot what, but Guanaco knows :) ) what sysops can't. I think that it is something about MediaWiki maintaince. In general, everyone who is not crazy, who knows something about MediaWiki and who is "libertarian socialist" should have dev status... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 16:24, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::Developers can lock/unlock the database, hand out bot and developer flags, delete images on www, and directly query the databases on the language Anarchopedias. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 19:00, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
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== Vandalism ==<br />
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I've reverted vandalism twice from "128.252.102.138" in two days. It's very disturbing vandalism. Do we believe in collective punishment here? I.e. does the collective have the right to expel persistantly violent individuals?--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 17:13, 16 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
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The vandalism was on the main page here, by the way.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 19:17, 16 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:Address can be blocked if that person(s) make(s) vandalism again (you can do that, too). But, I didn't see any serious attack... (Even on eng: yesterday or on www one month ago.) If we have some serious attacks in the future, we can use our bots. There are a lot of such things on Wikipedia, which is not so open as Anarchopedia is. The problem here is delete permission to anyone. But, I think we should try this way ''some time''. If vandalisms are more often then now, we should think again about delete permission. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 20:00, 16 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::I was asking for in future, just in case this guy keeps repeating it. Cause it was quite disturbing, I don't know if you read it, but it was quite a sexist piece of work. Considering this was the second time in two days on the main page, I thought it made sense to figure out what the policy is here in case it happens again. I have warned him, so we'll see. --[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 03:09, 17 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::I can't figure out how to find out vandal's ip's to ban/block them. The vandalism is at the level of complete chaos, and I don't mean anarchy or freedom. Message me if you can tell me anything about this.--[[User:FETuriousness|FETuriousness]] 03:05, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Unintentionally blanked Main Page. Sorry. Can someone please fix it?--[[User:FETuriousness|FETuriousness]] 03:33, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::OK...Got it. Maybe this isn't such chaos after all.--[[User:FETuriousness|FETuriousness]] 04:33, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== New rewrite rules ==<br />
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With old rewrite rules it was not possible to upload files. With new it is possible. You will see links like ".../index.php/some_page", but it is possible to type "http://deu.anarchopedia.org/some page" and your url will be rewritten to "http;//deu.anarchopedia.org/index.php/some_page". When we would have some faster machines or some better MediaWiki code, we would have "nice urls", too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:35, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
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Also, you can change your skin to ApMonoBook or to any other now. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:35, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
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== Logo ==<br />
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I designed a t-shirt (with a definition of 'anarchism') a while back and I was pretty stoked with the outcome. It uses a star like the current Anarchopedia logo but is a little more sophisticated. I'm happy to upload it if people like it and want to use it as the Anarchopedia logo. It's got an 'A' in it too, which I imagine could be played on no end. It could be any colour (the example below is a dark red) and I could cut it down to the just the symbol for the main logo and add "Anarchopedia" instead of "Anarchism" for a larger version. See example [http://www.last-straw.net/images/anarchism_red.png here] --[[User:Christiaan|Christiaan]] 00:24, 13 Jan 2005 (CDT)<br />
:You are welcome :) I would like (your) black star (not dark red), but we can make some voting about that. What do you think? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:47, 13 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
:One more thing: Ask people from [[:deu:]] if they want your logo, too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:55, 13 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
::can you tell something more about the t-shirt action - how had people reacted, where do you live (which country / environment etc.)? it sounds like really a good idea...<br />
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:No action, just a graphic I designed for a t-shirt. I'm from New Zealand. --[[User:Christiaan|Christiaan]] 18:32, 13 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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Our German friends don't have much to say. How about I crop the image as mentioned and we have some kind of vote? First question though, what sort of copyright or lack thereof do you think we should use? Should we use GNU Free as for the rest of the site, or should a logo be treated differently (as Wikipedia does)? &mdash;[[User:Christiaan|Christiaan]] - [[User talk:Christiaan|<big><big>'''&#9742;'''</big></big>]] 23:50, 18 Jan 2005<br />
:Yes, they are very quiet :) But, I said to you that you should ask them just for [[:deu:]], not for Meta. Contributors to Meta should decide what should be Meta logo. We can [[vote for logo|vote here]]. I'll announce it on the main page. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:31, 20 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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::I did, see [[:deu:Diskussion:Hauptseite#Logo]]. &mdash;[[User:Christiaan|Christiaan]] - [[User talk:Christiaan|<big><big>'''&#9742;'''</big></big>]] 10:21, 23 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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== Awful colour ==<br />
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the color scheme on current events page is really bad for people to read you might want to change it<br />
:Just meta has that color scheme as default ([[:eng:]], [[:deu:]] and others have classic scheme as default). When you log in, you can switch to classic Monobook scheme. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
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I know. It looks like hell. I'm [[Anarchopedia:Sandbox|trying to completely redo]] [[Anarchopedia:English|this page]], but it and the code are almost as nonsensical as [http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php/state#Philosophies_of_the_state justifications for the state].--[[User:FETuriousness|FETuriousness]] 01:08, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Spammers ==<br />
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Is anyone against implementation of SpamBlacklist extension with initial Wikimedia-CreativeCommons list? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:02, 26 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
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If no one has anything against in the next seven days, I'll implement it on Meta. (I am asking all communities for that: i.e. people from Meta, [[:deu:]], [[:eng:]] and [[:fra:]]. I'll implement it on [http://hrv.anarchopedia.org/ hrv:]] because I don't think that my friend Marko has anything against it.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
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== Whats going on here ==<br />
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I like the idea of this site. I dont know if you have givin up or what but if I could help in anyway.<br />
Rev. Terry<br />
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:Hm. We are working, but not a lot :) Use [[:eng:]] for an encyclopedia. If you have any general comment, idea, etc., write it here. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:13, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
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== Criticism ==<br />
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This was posted right in the main page. I move it here before reverting the page to avoid being accused of censorship. [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 22:42, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:'''If this is anarchy, why do I have to log in?''' ''- You can't fuck with an experiment like that!''<br />
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::Cause you spam/vandal too much ; if you didn't spam/vandal here, you wouldn't have to log in. How do you protect against spam/vandals attacks ? you just block spam/vandals and you make a log in pass as a wall to their easy spam/vandalism. We are not living on anarchy we want to live in, as said Malatesta : "Not whether we accomplish anarchism today, tomorrow, or within ten centuries, but that we walk towards anarchism today, tomorrow, and always.". If you don't want walk on anarchism today, tomorrow and always, you have done a choice, don't reject your own responsability on others. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 13:00, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hell's no! Just block their IP, or their entire IP range!--[[User:FETuriousness|FETuriousness]] 03:17, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::::To mandate someone to block IP's and to disconnect some spamusers account (3/4 from users listed) from the project ? i am not against an account for anti-vandal/anti-spam use. [[User:aspam|aspam]] 11:12, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Thumbnails==<br />
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I'm working on articles in the French section of anarchopedia... and I was wondering if it would be possible for the admin to upgrade the version of MediaWiki of anarchopedia so that we can use the thumbnail functions for the images, as we do in wikipedia. You know, using that kind of syntax : " Image:xxx.jpg|right|thumbnail|caption text "...<br />
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Thanks ! [[User:Anne Archet|Anne Archet]] 23:31, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes it would be good to have the thumb function... [[User:Libre|Libre]] 13:01, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==A suggestion==<br />
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I think the Main Page should make it clearer that this is Meta Anarchopedia, not English Anarchopedia, otherwise things [[Special:Contributions/69.244.215.225|like this]] may happen.<br />
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Perhaps we can put a message like at the top of the page:<br />
<div align="center">This is '''Meta Anarchopedia''', the place for discussion and coordination of Anarchopedia</div><br />
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[[eng:Main Page|eng.anarchopedia]] already has a similar message, too.<br />
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[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 21:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)</div>
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2008-12-18T14:12:48Z
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<div>I'll be away from Anarchopedia (and Wikipedia) for a while.</div>
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<p>Rev 22: Reverted edits by 24.61.91.141 (Talk) to last version by Esperanza</p>
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<div>'''What Anarchopedia is not''' is the opposite of [[Anarchopedia:Itself]]. For those who believe that things are best defined by negation, this list is quite important: <br />
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*Anarchopedia is not an authoritarian project.<br />
**Anarchopedia doesn't accept/create articles about authoritarians unless anti-authoritarians' criticism is also accepted. [[Anarchopedia_talk:en:what_Anarchopedia_is_not#Articles_on_authoritarians|criticism]]<br />
*Anarchopedia doesn't have a [[power structure]].<br />
**Anarchopedia doesn't have a small group of people that decides what is right and what is wrong.<br />
*Anarchopedia is not a Leninist or Bolshevik wiki.<br />
*Anarchopedia is not censored.<br />
* Anarchopedia is not [[Wikipedia]]. Like Wikipedia, it is based on MediaWiki and has similar goals. Unlike Wikipedia, Anarchopedia does not have the structure of Admin, Bureaucrat, Checkuser, Oversight and do not censor articles.<br />
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[[Category:Anarchopedia documentation]]</div>
Rev 22
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Archives of events and notes
2008-12-17T22:21:04Z
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<div>#New Anarchopedias: [[:ara:|Arabic]], [[:zho:|Chinese]], [[:dut:|Dutch]], [[:epo:|Esperanto]], [[:jpn:|Japanese]], [[:nob:|Norwege (bokmal)]], [[:nno:|Norwege (nynorsk)]], [[:por:|Portuguese]] and [[:swe:|Swedish]]. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 07:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
#Our 2nd IRC-Channel [irc://irc.indymedia.org/anarchopedia #anarchopedia@irc.indymedia.org] is officially registered since today. --[[User:X|X]] 00:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''[[1st General Meeting]]''' of communities from Anarchopedia will be at May <s>13th</s> '''20th''', 19h (7PM) UTC (21h CEST...) on [irc://irc.freenode.net/anarchopedia #anarchopedia @irc.freenode.net]. Please, [[1st General Meeting|take a part]] in making ideas for talk on the meeting.<br />
#The 4th session of the [[Anarchopedia:1st General Meeting|1st General Meeting]] will be on Saturday, June 24th, 17h (5PM) UTC (19h CEST...) on IRC channel [irc://irc.indymedia.org/anarchopedia #anarchopedia] at ''irc.indymedia.org''.<br />
#The [[Anarchopedia:1st General Meeting/third session|third session]] of the [[Anarchopedia:1st General Meeting|1st General Meeting]] will be on '''Sunday, June 18th, 17h (5PM) UTC (19h CEST...)''' on IRC channel [irc://irc.indymedia.org/anarchopedia #anarchopedia] at ''irc.indymedia.org''. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 13:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
#The [[Anarchopedia:1st General Meeting/second session|second session]] of the [[Anarchopedia:1st General Meeting|1st General Meeting]] will be at '''Saturday, June 3rd, 19h (7PM) UTC (21h CEST...)''' on the channel [irc://irc.indymedia.org/anarchopedia #anarchopedia] on ''irc.indymedia.org''. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
#New Anarchopedias: [[:ara:|Arabic]], [[:zho:|Chinese]], [[:dut:|Dutch]], [[:epo:|Esperanto]], [[:jpn:|Japanese]], [[:nob:|Norwege (bokmal)]], [[:nno:|Norwege (nynorsk)]], [[:por:|Portuguese]] and [[:swe:|Swedish]]. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 07:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
#Our 2nd IRC-Channel [irc://irc.indymedia.org/anarchopedia #anarchopedia@irc.indymedia.org] is officially registered since today. --[[User:X|X]] 00:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''[[1st General Meeting]]''' of communities from Anarchopedia will be at May <s>13th</s> '''20th''', 19h (7PM) UTC (21h CEST...) on [irc://irc.freenode.net/anarchopedia #anarchopedia @irc.freenode.net]. Please, [[1st General Meeting|take a part]] in making ideas for talk on the meeting.<br><br />
#There is a new Anarchopedia in [http://dan.anarchopedia.org Danish] up, welcome! <br />
#Meta is moved to the new server. During the next couple of hours all Anarchopedias would be moved to the new server. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:49, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
#Anarchopedia would not be online one day during the next 15 days. I am changing servers. Please, forward this message to Anarchopedia in your language. If you have some other questions, please use ICQ or IRC to ask me. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:29, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
#[http://pol.anarchopedia.org/ Polish] and [http://rus.anarchopedia.org/ Russian] Anarchopedia are up. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 09:04, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
#Temporary rule on meta: and eng: because of spammers: only registered users can edit. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 17:38, 28 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
#Anarchopedia's server was down for around 17 hours because of one irresponsible action (scanning) of one person (not related to Anarchopedia) which has shell account. I don't expect such actions anymore. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 07:56, 19 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
#All contributors to Anarchopedia can have email @anarchopedia.org. For more informations see [[Anarchopedia:email]] --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:32, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)<br />
#We have [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Image:Logo.png new logo]. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:32, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)<br />
#Our friend [[User:Christiaan|Christiaan]] has made a proposal for a new Anarchopedia logo. [[vote for logo|We should vote]] about new logo on Meta. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:34, 20 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
#With old rewrite rules it was not possible to upload files. With new it is possible. You will see links like ".../index.php/some_page", but it is possible to type <nowiki>"http://deu.anarchopedia.org/some page" and your url will be rewritten to "http://deu.anarchopedia.org/index.php/some_page"</nowiki>. When we would have some faster machines or some better MediaWiki code, we would have "nice urls", too. Also, you can change your skin to ApMonoBook or to any other now. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:41, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
#Articles from "Anarchopedia" and "Equipment for life" are moved to [[:eng:]]. For sure, there are some other articles (not linked from the Main Page) to be moved. Also, if someone knows, let (s)he do something with [[:en:dictionary|dictionary]]. However, from now Meta is Meta, [[:eng:]] is encyclopedia in English. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:38, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
#I started with moving texts from Meta to [[eng:]]. For sure, we have to move sections "[[Template:Anarchopedia|Anarchopedia]]" and "[[Template:Equipment for life|Equipment for life]]". I think that "meta" articles should stay here (what is Anarchopedia, factions, sysops etc.). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:54, 9 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
#<s>We have to make another decision about name space at Anarchopedia. Please, vote [[Anarchopedia:en:name space#Another decision about name space|here]]. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:41, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)</s> (We have both.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 15:22, 6 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
#'''Anarchopedia is divided into languages. (Default skin is MonoBook, but users can choose ApMonoBook skin.) Now, we have Anarchopedia in [http://deu.anarchopedia.org/ German], [http://eng.anarchopedia.org/ English], [http://fra.anarchopedia.org French], [http://hrv.anarchopedia.org Croatian] (interface is in English, there is no Croatian translation???), [http://ita.anarchopedia.org Italian] (bad translation), [http://spa.anarchopedia.org Spanish] and [http://srp.anarchopedia.org/ Serbian] (bad translation). More about that on [[Anarchopedia:Multilingualism|multilingualism]].''' --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 21:55, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
#Logistic for language separation is almost done. [[Anarchopedia:en:administration/generatevhostscript|The scripts]] for automatization of that process have their "alpha" form. [http://test.anarchopedia.org Test Anarchopedia] is implementation of configuration. '''Problem is Test's big usage of processor time. (Apache goes up to 20% of CPU.) We need [[Anarchopedia:Work in progress|to find what is the problem]].''' --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
#I made patch for [http://www.mediawiki.org MediaWiki] so we can use MonoBook and "ApMonoBook" (AnarchoPedia MonoBook) both. Patch is not in function here, but it would be used at new sites. You can test it at [http://test.anarchopedia.org Test Anarchopedia]. Place for patch is [http://www.anarchopedia.org/software/mediawiki/ here]. You can find there [http://www.anarchopedia.org/software/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.3.7-patch-Anarchopedia-0.1.tar.gz .tar.gz] and [http://www.anarchopedia.org/software/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.3.7-patch-Anarchopedia-0.1.tar.bz2 .tar.bz2] file as well as you can [http://www.anarchopedia.org/software/mediawiki/mediawiki-1.3.7-patch-Anarchopedia-0.1/ browse directory]. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:14, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
#[[Anarchopedia:Work in progress|Work in progress]]: deviding Anarchopedia into separate (language) projects. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 11:25, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
#<s>We need to make [[Anarchopedia:en:name space#Decision about name space|decision about name space]]. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:41, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)</s><br />
#Temporary Anarchopedia's name space is different then interwiki standard. But, you don't need to type according to Anarchopedia's name space. You can type your text as "plain wiki" and then translate it with [http://www.anarchopedia.org/dev/toapns/toapns-0.1/toapns-php.php script for translation]. (This is PHP script. We need JavaScript translation, too. If you want to make such script, please see [http://www.anarchopedia.org/dev/toapns/toapns-0.1/toapns-php.php.txt source code of the script].) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:08, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
#Anarchopedia has been upgraded to MediaWiki 1.3.6. Report any problems to [[Anarchopedia:MediaWiki configuration]].<br />
#<nowiki><span> tags have been enabled. Please use <span> and <div> instead of <font>.</nowiki> [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 17:01, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#'''Anarchopedia is now case-sensitive! Be careful with wiki links!''' --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 01:14, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#Would we write [[Anarchopedia:en:Anti-press|some kind of "anti-press article"]] to say to anarchist community that we are existing? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 07:35, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#I hope you would like my new "design" (i.e., organization of the main page). We will change it in the future, for sure... --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 17:53, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#Anarchopedia has new CSS template. Some design of the front page will come soon. If you have some idea related to design, feel free to talk at [[Anarchopedia:en:Design]]. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:41, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#All of users are now sysops/bureaucrats. For details, see [[Anarchopedia:Sysops]] --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 12:15, 3 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#IANA's reseller [http://www.godaddy.com/ Go Daddy], where domain Anarchopedia.org was registered, had some problems. It moved back DNS servers to old two and for a few hours (around 2004/10/03 00:00 GMT) host (www.)anarchopedia.org couldn't be reached. In the near future I'll make some infrastructure, so people can be informed about such situations at some other place. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:49, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
#'''We need [[Anarchopedia:How to organize Anarchopedia|to find a solution]] for organization of our work.'''</div>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Blues]]</div>
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Anarchopedia:en:direct democracy
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<div>While all kinds of things are said [[Anarchopedia:We|by any of us]] in [[Anarchopedia:Itself]] about [[politics]] and [[civics]], the actual [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] should be set as much as possible by [[direct democracy]]. This suggests we mostly decide by [[Anarchopedia:Referenda]].<br />
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== seeking consensus ==<br />
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However, referendum questions don't arise from nowhere, and the language they employ is also not strictly neutral, and requires some buy-in and deliberate consultation and [[outreach]] to find [[consensus]]. [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] must accept "that it is possible to characterize disputes fairly, so that all the major participants will be able to look at the resulting text, agreeing that their views are presented sympathetically and as completely as possible (within the context of the discussion)." - one of only two assumptions shared with Wikipedia's "Neutral point of view". However, that doesn't make it easy:<br />
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This requires some [[consensus democracy]] and [[deliberative democracy]] and some elements even of [[representative democracy]] to make work. In most situations, these forms of democracy are preferable to [[voting systems]]:<br />
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*[[Consensus decision making]] should apply where a policy is constrained, where [[Anarchopedia:Advice]] is offered that needs to draw on everyone's knowledge and experience and instincts, or where we have a lot of time and not many people who care - such as the exact wording of some article that is not part of [[Anarchopedia:Policy]]. A [[consensus democracy]] may also be preferred within [[Anarchopedia:Faction]]s to make joint decisions that affect only themselves. See below for some.<br />
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== democracy frames disputes ==<br />
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*[[Deliberative democracy]] should apply to [[Anarchopedia:Question]]s such as the [[Anarchopedia:FAQ]], or any other open-ended issue where we don't need to make any one decision fast. Bottom-up accumulation of [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] and ratification into [[what Anarchopedia is not]] can continue in this way until someone objects to or disputes a point. ''No [[faction]]s required yet! Really this is what goes on, on talk pages.''<br />
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*[[Direct democracy]] can be invoked directly as [[Anarchopedia:Referenda]], in cases where it's generally agreed that the [[Anarchopedia:Question]] is clear, and the [[Anarchopedia:Advice]] offered about it has all been heard. Some [[voting system]] needs to be chosen for this. ''Please review them.''<br />
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== factions engage in disputes ==<br />
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The above should deal with 99% of cases, including overt political debates. The rest is for the other 1%, which include [[epistemology]] and [[ontology]] problems that just aren't resolvable without some formal [[dispute resolution]]:<br />
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To avoid generating some elaborate [[hierarchy]] like Wikipedia's "Arbitration", however, "we should characterize disputes rather than engage in them." - another assumption we share with Wikipedia's "neutral point of view". We only report disputes. To do so efficiently requires some work:<br />
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*[[Representative democracy]] starts to matter when disputes have arisen and are consistently recurring and there are so many people involved that no one has time to thoroughly understand each other in depth and must rely on some intermediaries and filters - this is when the [[Anarchopedia:Faction]]s really are needed. Three functions that they can or should be called on to perform:<br />
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::An [[IP block]] ideally would be up to a user's own faction to decide - it's not something that should be done to one by an enemy who is not taking your political views into account. It should be your friends saying you've gone too far. If you have no friends, well, you are a faction unto yourself, and if you don't declare or state your agenda, maybe you're [[Anarchopedia:Enemy]]?<br />
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::Before any [[Anarchopedia:Referenda]], each [[Anarchopedia:Faction]] should be called on to ratify the wording of the question at hand. Whether or not they have participated in the deliberations beforehand. If they at least have a chance to object that the question is politically slanted or wrongly stated, or that the time of the choice is related to some particular group's agenda, the odds that they will respect the will of the majority afterwards is higher.<br />
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:::Also, each faction may get a certain number of [[Anarchopedia:Referenda]] to propose, like one per month, to bring issues that they care about to the fore. A condition of this might be that the issue is very clearly stated so that there is no [[terminology dispute]] about what is actually being decided.<br />
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::When there is a dispute about the accuracy of reporting of a particular group's views or positions, the [[Anarchopedia:Faction]] that holds the most similar views should be the one that makes final decisions about the wording, as they are the ones most likely to make the most subtle distinctions that the other factions don't recognize or respect.<br />
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There are default factions created by software: [[Anarchopedia:Sysops]] and the [[Anarchopedia:Vandals]] they seek out and [[block IP]] of. Ideally this is all they do. Sysops should be people trusted by all non-vandal factions to decide what [[vandalism]] is, and they should lose that power if any faction disputes their judgment at all. Very few of these people are really needed:<br />
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Maybe just one [[Lowest Troll]], implying that [[Anarchopedia:Trolls]] (those generally unconcerned with offending anyone, and perhaps somewhat eccentric) are the ones who must decide who they will, and won't, consider a troll not a vandal.<br />
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== Followup ==<br />
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When there are more [[Anarchopedia:Recruits]] with [[personal experience]] in [[large public wiki]]s to share, [[Anarchopedia:We|we]] should discuss the above. Ideally we'd involve at least two, maybe three, members of<br />
each of the [[Anarchopedia:Greens]], [[Anarchopedia:Golds]], [[Anarchopedia:Blues]], [[Anarchopedia:Reds]], [[Anarchopedia:Pinks]], [[Anarchopedia:Elves]], [[Anarchopedia:Black bloc]] and [[Anarchopedia:Trolls]]. These are just names for sample [[Anarchopedia:faction]]s that might get involved in the above eventually. They can change later.<br />
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See [[direct democracy]], [[grassroots democracy]], [[anticipatory democracy]], [[participatory democracy]] and [[voting systems]] for more background on how to organize [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] democratically.<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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* [http://joi.ito.com/static/emergentdemocracy.html Joichi Ito's paper on Emergent Democracy]</div>
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<div>A '''Black Bloc''' is an [[anarchist]] [[patroll]] of a major protest or demonstration. Their role is:<br />
*to assert the strong right to [[anonymity]], often wearing black masks<br />
*to protect nonviolent protestors (ordinary [[trolls]]) from the police<br />
*to distract the police and prevent them from executing a planned attack on the nonviolent protestors<br />
*to convince police officers to quit working on behalf of the oppressors<br />
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The '''Black Bloc''' are a valuable [[Anarchopedia:Faction]].<br />
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Heroes of the Black Bloc include: <br />
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* ''... who else? ...''<br />
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See also: {{faction bar}}</div>
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GFDL corpus access provider
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<div>A '''GFDL corpus access provider''' or '''GFDLcap''' is a [[web service]] or other [[net media]], or potentially even [[email]] or [[CD-ROM]] distributor, that provides access to a large portion of the [[GFDL corpus]] [[open content]].<br />
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== current options ==<br />
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The best known of these is [[Wikipedia]]. There is often some confusion between that project and the corpus. ''This confusion is not only tolerated but created by its [[sysop power structure]], many of whom are implicated in [[sysop vandalism]]. Wikipedia likes to pretend it is the only such access provider.''<br />
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[[Wikinfo]] and [[Anarchopedia:Itself]] are lesser known '''access provider'''s, in stricter compliance with the GFDL, to the degree that is possible given that it relies on [[XML export]] by [[Wikipedia]] for most content.<br />
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[[Wikinfo]] takes a [[sympathetic point of view]], refusing to mix critical and sympathetic views in an article. ''This is a direct challenge to the [[neutral point of view]] [[wiki ideology]] that is promoted by Wikipedia, since that view gives maximum power to those who claim to be 'neutral' but are in a position of technologically granted power.''<br />
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[[Anarchopedia:Itself|Here at Anarchopedia]] [[Anarchopedia:We|we - whoever that is]] keep the critical and sympathetic views together but do not put a [[sysop power structure]] in charge of editorial decisions like [[deletion policy]] or who is a [[troll]] and what [[alleged or collective identity]] they do and do not share. ''See [[Anarchopedia:troll IP]], [[Anarchopedia:troll ID]] and [[Anarchopedia:faction]] and [[Anarchopedia:tendency]] for more on these questions and how we resolve Wikipedia's many authority and hierarchy problems in a more democratic way.''<br />
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Other corpus access providers focus on particular subsets of the material, and do not have facilities to automatically import via the Wikipedia interface:<br />
*[[Consumerpedia]]<br />
*[[Disinfopedia]]<br />
*[[Consumerium]]<br />
*[[Metaweb]]<br />
<br />
In addition, there are many [[Wikipedia mirror]]s that do not provide edit access but read-only access. These might or might not be considered to be true '''access providers''' but in any case some of them, like [[NationMaster]] have added a lot of information that may be of interest for some purposes.<br />
<br />
== challenges ==<br />
<br />
There are several challenges common to all '''GFDL corpus access provider'''s:<br />
*agreeing on a [[wikitext standard]] and priorities to guide [[wiki code]] changes to accomodate it; ''[[GetWiki]] and [[MediaWiki]] are so far the only options.''<br />
*meeting the rigid terms of the [[GFDL]] itself, especially with regard to [[attribution]] and [[source access]], i.e. to the original text written in the [[wikitext standard]], not the [[HTML]] form into which it is rendered for [[printable page|print]]s or presentation.<br />
::lack of [[interwiki identity standard]] makes attribution quite unreliable<br />
::having one [[standard wiki URI]] from which to retrieve the source, that can be easily predicted and made permanent<br />
::[[interwiki link standard]]s so that differently-purposed or POV'd [[large public wiki]]s can link to each other<br />
*resolving [[point of view]] differences, to which there are several approaches:<br />
::[[neutral point of view]] tries to do this always within one article, attributing disputed claims, but of course, a [[systemic bias]] then applies<br />
::[[multiple point of view]] tries to separate views into articles of their own, e.g. as at [[Metaweb]] or via the "faction" system proposed at some wikis<br />
::[[sympathetic point of view]] tries to separate positive and negative views, whatever that means<br />
*dealing with [[server load]], especially for [[full text search]]<br />
*inadequate PHP-based software like [[MediaWiki]] and [[GetWiki]] - a concern [[Metaweb]]'s supporters are paying particular attention to<br />
*compiling and [[collaborative filter]]ing to present adapted articles - a concern [[Consumerium]] takes very seriously<br />
*[[governance]] problems in deal with a very large group of editors, ''see [[rule of 150]] for one possible limit to this''<br />
*Tracking with change to the [[GFDL corpus]] as a whole, so that the best material can be copied into those services interested in presenting it to their users.<br />
<br />
== future integration ==<br />
<br />
There are proposals extant to track all changes to the GFDL corpus in any of the known '''access providers''', and perhaps simplify signup for [[jabber]] or other services that could serve as basis for [[interwiki identity standard]]. Such proposals are simplified by an [[interwiki link standard]] and [[standard wiki URI]], though they are not strictly required simply for tracking.<br />
<br />
There are also proposals to work with [[FSF]] and [[Creative Commons]] much more closely to avoid abuses of the [[GFDL]]'s terms and spirit.<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gnu.org/encyclopedia/announcement.html Richard Stallman's initial plans for the GFDL corpus]<br />
* [http://www.arena.org.ar/gnupedia-historia.html History of the first GFDLcap, GNUpedia] (Spanish - [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arena.org.ar%2Fgnupedia-historia.html+&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools english translation])<br />
<br />
Probably the best reference on this question is [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/GFDL_corpus_access_provider en: CreativeCommons: GFDL corpus access provider]] since [[Creative Commons]] and their [[Common Content]] initiative and [[CC-by-sa]] license provide a clear alternative to [[GFDL]] and they have a strong motive to work closely with all such access providers to achieve [[dual license]]d GFDL and [[CC-by-sa content]].</div>
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<div>The '''[[Anarchopedia]] Greens''' are a valuable [[Anarchopedia:Faction]].<br />
<br />
[[Anarchopedia:We|We]] hope those who outline [[Green Party policy]] will help us figure out [[Anarchopedia:Policy]] too - and how to do [[consensus democracy]] with a lot of people over the Internet, which some [[Green Parties]] already try to do.<br />
<br />
Heroes of the Anarchopedia Greens include: <br />
<br />
* [[Mahatma Gandhi]]<br />
* [[Jane Goodall]]<br />
* [[Elizabeth Hurley]] - yes, she sued tabloids and gave the money to chimps!<br />
* [[Steve Irwin]] - because [[Trolls|things that bite you on the leg]] are good<br />
* [[Tooker Gomberg]]<br />
* [[Jello Biafra]]<br />
* [[Winona LaDuke]]<br />
* ''... who else? ...''<br />
<br />
See also: {{faction bar}}</div>
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<div>Informally, the "real numbers" are the [[rational number]]s with all<br />
the holes plugged.<br />
<br />
Before we proceed with any formalism, let's exhibit an example of a<br />
"hole" in the rational numbers. Take, for our "hole", the square root<br />
of 2. Suppose <math>x^2 = 2</math>. If x is a rational number then<br />
we can express it as a fraction, and what's more, we can express it as<br />
a ''reduced'' fraction. Let '''I''' = the set of [[integer]]s. Then:<br />
<br />
:(1) <math>x = {n \over m},\ \ n,m \in \mathbb{I}</math><br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
:(2) <math>\not\exists p,q,k \in \mathbb{I} \left (k > 1 \ \and \ n = p \cdot k \ \and \ m = q \cdot k \right )</math><br />
<br />
Then we must have<br />
<br />
:(3) <math> {\left ({ n \over m} \right ) }^2 = 2</math><br />
<br />
:(4) <math> {{n^2} \over {m^2}} = 2</math><br />
<br />
:(5) <math> n^2 = 2 \cdot m^2</math><br />
<br />
And so <math>n^2</math> must be ''even''. But since the square of any ''odd'' integer is also ''odd'', we see that '''n''' must ''also'' be even.<br />
<br />
If n is even, then clearly <math>n^2</math> must be divisible by<br />
''4''. In that case, n<sup>2</sup>/2 must also be even,<br />
and since we have<br />
<br />
:(6) <math> {{n^2} \over 2} = m^2</math><br />
<br />
we see that <math>m^2</math> is even also. By the same argument,<br />
therefore, m must be even. But if both n and m are even, we must be<br />
able to find p and q such that,<br />
<br />
:(7) <math>p,q \in \mathbb{I}\ (n = 2 \cdot p \ \and \ m = 2 \cdot q)</math><br />
<br />
But this contradicts (2), and we conclude that <math>\sqrt 2</math><br />
must not be expressible as a rational number.<br />
<br />
The real numbers add the ''continuum axiom'' to the axioms satisfied by<br />
the rational numbers:<br />
<br />
:(A.1) '''Any nonempty subset of the real numbers which is bounded above has a least upper bound.'''<br />
<br />
There are actually several equivalent ways to state the continuum<br />
axiom. The statement I've just given, though perhaps not maximally<br />
intuitive, is convenient for use in the construction of the real<br />
numbers.<br />
<br />
We've just shown, above, that the rational numbers<br />
do ''not'' satisfy the continuum axiom. For consider the set:<br />
<br />
:<math>S \equiv \{x \ | \ x^2 < 2\}</math><br />
<br />
This is certainly nonempty: <math>1 \in S</math>. It's certainly bounded<br />
above: 3 is larger than any element of S. But the least upper bound<br />
of the set is <math>\sqrt 2</math> which is not a rational number.<br />
<br />
Very well, so the rationals don't satisfy (A.1) -- but how do we<br />
know ''any'' set will satisfy it? How do we know the real numbers<br />
exist? We will construct them ... or, rather, we will sketch the<br />
construction of the reals; the details actually fill a slim book (see<br />
references).<br />
<br />
We will start with the rational numbers, which we call Q. We first<br />
define a ''cut'' (also called a "Dedekind cut"). If a nonempty subset<br />
of the rationals, &Gamma;, is a ''cut'', then it divides the rational<br />
numbers in two:<br />
<br />
:(C.1) <math>x \in \Gamma \ \and \ y < x \Rightarrow y \in \Gamma</math><br />
<br />
:(C.2) <math>x \not\in \Gamma \ \and \ y > x \Rightarrow y \not\in \Gamma</math><br />
<br />
:(C.3) <math>(y \not\in \Gamma \Rightarrow y \geq x) \Rightarrow x \in \Gamma</math><br />
<br />
Property (C.1) says a cut contains a continuous block of numbers, extending to the "left". Property (C.2) says that the numbers that are ''not'' in the cut are also a continuous block, extending to the ''right''.<br />
Property (C.3) says that, if a cut has a rational least upper bound,<br />
then that bound is a member of the cut set.<br />
<br />
We observe immediately that each rational number, q, corresponds to a<br />
cut:<br />
<br />
:<math>\Gamma(q) \equiv \{ x \in Q \ | \ x \leq q \}</math><br />
<br />
From here on, we will use rational numbers interchangeably with the<br />
cuts corresponding to them. In particular, we'll use "0", "1", and<br />
"-1" to refer to &Gamma;(0), &Gamma;(1), and &Gamma;(-1), as the need<br />
arises.<br />
<br />
At this point, we observe that the set '''S''', defined above, is also a<br />
cut, and it corresponds to <math>\sqrt 2</math>. If we view the<br />
rational numbers as being contained in the set of cuts, via the<br />
correspondence <math>q \leftrightarrow \Gamma(q)</math>, then the<br />
set of cuts must therefore be a ''proper'' superset of the rational<br />
numbers.<br />
<br />
The set of all cuts will be our model of the real numbers. But we're<br />
not done yet: we still need to define comparisons, and we need to<br />
define multiplication and addition.<br />
<br />
Comparisons are easy. It's simpler to define <math>\leq</math> than<br />
<math> < </math>, so that's what we'll do. For two cuts, G and H,<br />
<br />
:<math>G \leq H \equiv x \in G \ \Rightarrow \ x \in H</math><br />
<br />
Addition is easy, too.<br />
<br />
:<math> G + H \equiv \{x+y\ | x \in G\ \and\ y \in H\}</math><br />
<br />
Multiplication is a bit trickier. The problem is that all our cuts<br />
have "tails" extending arbitrarily far to the left, and if we just<br />
multiply all the members of two cuts we'll get something that has a<br />
tail extending arbitrarily far to the ''right''. So we need to be<br />
cleverer than that.<br />
<br />
We can define the product of two ''non-negative'' cuts:<br />
<br />
:<math>G,H \geq 0 \Rightarrow G \cdot H = \{x\ |\ \exists y \in G, z \in H (y \geq 0 \ \and \ z \geq 0 \ \and \ x \leq yz)\}</math><br />
<br />
Now, before we define the product of two ''general'' cuts, we need a few<br />
"helper definitions". The first of these is ''negation'':<br />
<br />
:<math>-G = \{x\ |\ \forall y \in G (x \leq -y) \}</math><br />
<br />
We can define absolute value in terms of negation:<br />
<br />
:<math>|G| = \begin{cases} G, & \mbox{if } G \geq 0 \\ -G, & \mbox{if } G < 0 \end{cases}</math><br />
<br />
We'll define one "helper function":<br />
<br />
:<math>Sgn(G) \equiv \begin{cases}1, & \mbox{if } G \ \geq 0 \\ -1, & \mbox{if } G < 0 \end{cases} </math><br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
:<math>Sgn(G,H) \equiv Sgn(G) \cdot Sgn(H)</math><br />
<br />
We also need to define multiplication of a cut by ''-1'':<br />
<br />
:<math>-1 \cdot G \equiv -G</math><br />
<br />
And finally, we can define multiplication of two general cuts:<br />
<br />
:<math>G \cdot H \equiv Sgn(G,H) \cdot (|G| \cdot |H|)</math><br />
<br />
This completes the creation of the model. We have defined comparisons,<br />
addition, and multiplication. The rationals are embedded in the new<br />
model, and the comparison operation is clearly an extension of the<br />
comparison operation for the rationals. The definitions for addition<br />
and multiplication are pretty clearly the appropriate extensions from<br />
the rationals but rigorous proofs of those claims, as well as the claim that the model satisfies the axioms of the reals (the [[field axioms]]) would take more work than what I have displayed here.<br />
<br />
The continuum axiom, as I stated it here, just describes a cut of the<br />
rationals. In our model for the real numbers, the least upper bound<br />
of such a set is the cut itself. So the model does indeed satisfy the<br />
continuum axiom.<br />
<br />
'''The Axiom of Choice'''<br />
<br />
It's worth calling some attention to one of the steps I glossed over.<br />
I rather casually said we would form the set of all cuts of the<br />
rationals. That's actually an enormous set, and it's formed as a<br />
subset of an equally enormous set, which is the [[power set]] of the<br />
rational numbers. It actually requires an [[uncountably infinite]]<br />
number of operations to form the set of all cuts. The assertion that<br />
we can form that set depends on the [[axiom of choice]]. This leads<br />
to the real numbers having some rather peculiar properties, and not<br />
everyone feels it's entirely legitimate.<br />
<br />
It is possible to develop a version of analysis that doesn't depend on<br />
the axiom of choice, based on what are called the [[constructible real]]s.<br />
<br />
<br />
-----------<br />
References:<br />
<br />
See Edmund Landau, Foundations of Analysis, for a thorough exposition<br />
of the construction of the real numbers. I've glossed over a lot and<br />
left out a great deal on this page. Landau does it "right". If you<br />
can find it in the library, that's the way to go -- it's well worth<br />
reading once, but it's not a book you'll refer to a lot.<br />
<br />
--[[User:sal|SAL]] 03:39, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)</div>
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<div>The best way to determine '''Anarchopedia's Purpose''' is to gather what is said about that in its articles on more specific topics. That way, anyone who cares about some goal, principle, or understanding, can say there how it affects or should affect [[Anarchopedia:en:itself|Anarchopedia:itself]]. There are no "special articles" that "only trusted people" can edit. This is exactly how we propose also to evolve [[Anarchopedia:en:policy|Anarchopedia:policy]].<br />
<br />
Where it becomes clear that there is substantial resistance to some purpose, this can be reflected in [[Anarchopedia:en:what Anarchopedia is not|what Anarchopedia is not]], but only after users in conflict have debated it extensively. In other words, neither purpose nor exclusions from purpose should be decided arbitrarily by any one "editor".<br />
<br />
''See [[Anarchopedia:en:direct democracy|direct democracy]] for how issues are resolved if this bottom-up process needs to be accelerated, e.g. when decisions become urgent.''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Anarchopedia documentation]]</div>
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<div>Open [[workgroup]] and permanent [[workshop]] focused on skill sharing, and cooperative software development. <br />
<br />
===Motivation===<br />
Some free-software dev-groups tend to be become quite closed to outside contributors over time. Examples of this can be the Linux dev-group led by [[:eng:Benevolent Dictator|Benevolent Dictator]] [[:eng:Linus Torvalds|Linus Torvalds]], or the Debian developers group which even [[:eng:Richard M. Stallman|Richard M. Stallman]] had difficulty joining. Nobody should be rejected simply because of inexperience, everybody can find their place learning, teaching or developing. It is argued that the [[:eng:centralism|centralist]] social model used in some dev-groups actually impairs the development of the software itself, for example leading to unnecessary and wasteful [[:eng:forks|forking]], or results in software which does not meet the demands of the user-base.<br />
<br />
===Resources===<br />
* [irc://irc.indymedia.org/coders #coders chatroom], on [http://irc.indymedia.org/ irc.indymedia.org].<br />
* [http://hacklab.org.uk/ hackLab in UK]<br />
*...<br />
<br />
===Open tasks===<br />
* Finding a more creative and less obvious name for the group.<br />
*...<br />
<br />
===Projects===<br />
*[[:deu:a-connect|a-connect]] (in german) - project for dynamically sharing data between databases - [https://wws.dynalias.org:8443/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page wiki site]<br />
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/freekiwiki freekiwiki, The Freenet Wiki] ''[[http://www.sourceforge.net Source Forge]'' (unfortunately closed until [[:eng:2007|2007]] [[:eng:May 15|May 15]] due to [[:eng:Kingston University|the University]] regulations governing final year projects)<br />
*an interactive, immersive, application for language learning. The application will train the student to associate pictures with spoken or written phrases. It should be possible to implement this on [[Anarchopedia]] (Mediawiki) by adding customizable (per-page) javascript support. See also [[Template:javascript]].<br />
*...<br />
<br />
===Subjects===<br />
*[[Javascript]]<br />
*...<br />
<br />
===Participants===<br />
Membership is not required, but it would be nice if you could sign your (nick)name here, along with the skills you would like to learn or share with others. (Use <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> to sign)<br />
<br />
*~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'': [[Perl]], [[C]], [[Unix]]<br />
*~''[[User:Anarko_Charrua|Anarko_Charrua]]'': Learning<br />
* ''[[:eng:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]'': Can teach [[anonymity]], [[Freenet]], [[Java]], [[C++]], [[Agile Development]]; Want to learn [[MediaWiki]] (mostly how the parser works)<br />
* ''[[:eng:User:Bis|Bis]]'': perl, Applescript; Want to learn: video editing, free software, SQL; Want to participate in: free software testing and development.<br />
* ''[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|brib]]'': PHP, Java. Want to learn: Ruby<br />
*~''[[User:singuia|singuia]]'': [[HTML]], some [[PHP]], [[Anonymity]], [[Image Manipulation (Gimp)]] - Want to learn: [[C]], [[Java]], more [[PHP]] and [[SQL]]; Want to participate in: free software development<br />
*~''[[User:jayeola|jayeola]]'': Share [[Bash]], [[Installations]], [[Linux]], [[Virtualisation (Xen)]], [[Wireless network monitoring (aircrack & kismet)]]; Want to learn [[Networking]]<br />
<br />
*~''[[User:ivorw|ivorw]]'': Can teach: [[Perl]], [[C]], [[C++]], [[Unix]]. Interested in learning [[Python]] and [[Ruby]].<br />
*~scout: [[HTML]], [[CSS]], [[PHP]], [[Linux]], some [[Ruby]], enough [[SQL]]<br />
*[[User:Ibu|Ibu]]: Can teach: Basics of bash, debian, PHP. Interested in: Python twisted, Postgres HA-Clustering<br />
<br />
[[Category:workshop]]</div>
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<div>To add a new section a new proposal please click [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php?title=Anarchopedia:en:proposal_for_new_project&action=edit&section=new here]<br />
<br />
==the UnWikipedia==<br />
Someone has suggested a wiki or a wiki space *ONLY* for articles deleted from [[Wikipedia]] by [[sysop vandalism]] in particular, or censors in general who want certain topics not to be mentioned or certain bias embedded in every article, e.g. [[mechanistic bias]] or [[authoritarian bias]] which are the natural [[systemic bias]]es of Wikipedia itself because of its authoritarian geeks in charge, most notably the American geeks in Florida who think nothing of rigging elections via Diebold.<br />
:This is a great idea - is it still current? I tried to look up Anarchopedia on Wikipedia, and blow me - it isn't there - it's been deleted, and banned from being re-created. And they say in one of the very very many Wikipedia policies that there's no censorship at Wikipedia. No, of course there isn't! Can we get all material banned from Wikipedia re-created here? [[User:62.254.64.16|62.254.64.16]] 22:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::At least in part, this is possible. There is actually a project related to this: [[eng:Anarchopedia:Wikipedia datadump]]. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:So, do you want something like "unwikipedia.anarchopedia.org"? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 16:23, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
this is fun i like the piss station and the poo pot!<br />
::It might be more subversive to call it "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org" - this serves to 1. reinforce the generic use of "a wikipedia" meaning a multi-language whole-corpus [[GFDL corpus access provider]] and fight [[Wikimedia]] on its [[trademark]] [[usurper]] policy, 2. emphasize "a" as in "amoral", "aseptic", etc., meaning "not" or "anti" 3. lay the ground work to shorten both to "apedia" someday if this becomes the premier [[GFDLcap]]!<br />
:::I can make "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org", but it seems that domain "apedia.org" doesn't exist (what do you think about that domain?). Also, do you think that it is better to have awikipedia devided into languages (like en.awikipedia.anarchopedia.org, de.awikipedia.anarchopedia.org)? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 19:57, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Yes divide it exactly as wikipedia.org does; it is also reasonable to call it de.npov.anarchopedia.org or something that just ignores the whole question of what portal it was written in and emphasizes its npov - which over time will be [[new troll point of view]] not [[neutral point of view]]i hate thi this is so stupid i am the creator of wikipedia i will hunt you down and tourture you for many years and then you i will wait until you take your own lives goodbye see you soon<br />
<br />
::I don't like this idea. I'm one of the promoters of the Wikipedia datadump and every once in a while go around recovering articles that are about to be deleted from tha horrible place, but this progrect (a-wikipedia) will most likely become place where tons of troll shit and advertisement will be placed. This also creates ton of redundancy, let's say we have Anarchist Anne, where does she go for information? Is it en.fuckwikipedia.anarchopedia.org or just eng.anarchopedia.org? What if there already is an article on eng.anarchopedia.org which is much better than the stuff that gets deleted from WP. And finally, i do see that some articles that get deleted from WP are really garbage. I believe that articles on schools and stuff should be allowed to stay (since people will actually look at them), but there are articles about some celebrity's girlfriend, or just spam that comouflaging itself as "original research" (the original research i think should definitely be preserved). In case if you didn't notice i'm an anti-trollist, i think that trolls are an anti-social element of our community and i will not support them, but i do think that we need to create a common account for Anarchopedia on Wikipedia, and vote '''Anarchowikify''' each time we move the article that will almost surely be removed. This will raise awareness about this place, and will only irritate censors, without causing any nuisance for honest users. [[:eng:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
<br />
===removing ideology===<br />
A preliminary step would be to [[anarchize]] the material in a systemic way to remove these biases and restore the natural human-body-centric view of real humans with real bodies, i.e. [[anarchize:body, cognition and senses]] material instead of following [[Wikipedia]]'s ideal of pure [[ideology]], symbol [[recognition]] and [[operant conditioning]] - the basis of its [[sysop vandalism]]...<br />
<br />
:Hmm we might need to remove some [[trollist]] ideology later too, as this pendulum has swung a certain way out.<br />
<br />
::Not far enough!<br />
<br />
==DemocraticDomain==<br />
Another suggestion is to figure out how all the [[domain name]]s and [[web hosting]] and [[email service]]s of a [[large public wiki]] and its [[wiki management]] can be handled democratically so it is possible to for all users to potentially campaign to be the "domain owner". If only a minimal institution where no one has special priveleges, that is designed to actively prevent a [[command hierarchy]] from existing, that could be close to a real [[anarchization]]. It would be a good prototype for the vanguard [[world trolling anarchization]] to do this to the entire web and disenfranchise anti-democratic "domain owners".<br />
<br />
:I forgot to say something about that. Yes, it is a good idea. But, the only problem is "owner-system" of present world. How can we organize ownership of hosting server and domains? I would like to hear the idea; as well as I would like to implement it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:22, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
<br />
::A [[domain holder]] isn't always the "owner" - in some domains you only are a [[domain lease holder]] and all domains in that TLD are owned. There is no reason to care what [[ICANN]] says. Just set up your own [[personal DNS]] and point all the .whatever to anything you want, or just ignore the . and populate the space with URLs like "en:troll_war" that are one to one correspondence with http://en.anarchopedia.org/wiki/troll_war<br />
<br />
::So, the correct answer is that we never see "http://DOMAIN.TLD" but instead see "LANGUAGE://ARTICLE" and eventually just "LANGUAGE:ARTICLE" just as in an [[interwiki link standard]] - this makes wikis the whole web<br />
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:::I didn't understand this last bit, http is the name of the internet protocol, replacing it with a language code would not work. I like the idea of running a personal DNS with different domain name associations, but how does one convince the DNS servers associated with Internet Providers to refer to our hypotetical servers?<br />
:::One preliminary idea toward the goal of sharing the ownership would be to publish the expenses made or needed to buy the domain and the servers and allow donations (preferably anonymous). Every amount donated should be published (on the wiki or otherwise) to confirm that the donation did really get through, and to determine when the expenses have been covered. [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 22:17, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Others==<br />
*[http://meta.anarchotext.org/ Anarchotext]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchobook.org/ Anarchobook]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchtionary.org/ Anarchtionary]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchoquote.org/ Anarchoquote]<br />
*[http://meta.anarchosource.org/ Anarchosource]<br />
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:I find that project's ideas interesting. I have put some quotes in french on [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Mod%C3%A8le:Citations_anarchistes Citations anarchistes]. i am working on a [http://fra.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Calendrier Calendrier] to make some ephemerides (daily bleed in english?). For propositions, maybe that would be better ? :<br />
:*[http://text.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchotext]<br />
:*[http://book.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchobook]<br />
:*[http://diktionary.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchtionary]<br />
:*[http://quotes.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchoquote]<br />
:*[http://source.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchosource]<br />
:and add ? :<br />
:*[http://daily.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchodaily]<br />
: [[User:Libre|Libre]] 12:10, 14 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
::i would be interesting that be initialized the '[http://book.anarchopedia.org book.anarchopedia.org]' address... however, like the project can integrate all languages, would it be better to be by eg: 'eng.book.anarchopedia.org' , 'fra.book.anarchopedia.org' , etc... or to put all in the same address and use catégories to organize ? An other thing, if that address/sub-project has to exist, and by the fact of the project, like book are old work/writing, maybe it would be necessary that each book be protected, that all user not be admin (less just suscribes user, not anonyms), or everyone would be ok to make some data for reverts, etc ? how would you want organize that ? [[User:Libre|Libre]] 03:16, 8 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
:::Are you sure that existing wikis are not enough for books, too? We don't need to implement Wikimedia policy here: one site can be used for different purposes: encyclopedia, news, books, etc. However, there are no problems to open book.anarchopedia.org or {eng,fra,deu,...}.book.anarchopedia.org. I just want that we think about possible solutions: there are no a lot of people who use Anarchopedia. If we start to have a lot of different projects, I am not sure that we would go anywhere. For example, you are French speaking and I think that it would be better that you are working on [[:fra:]] and to put books there. I am not sure that any of us can have enough of energy to work good on more then one project. ... I am not against new (sub)domains, I am just wandering do we have enough people for that; or it is better to start all of that at existing language based Anarchopedias and think about new (sub)domains in the future? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:22, 8 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
::::Ok, no problem, It won't be necessary to put an other subdomain, the existent project will be where the books will be integrated. It will be sufficient for now. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 14:47, 8 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
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== HI Here ==<br />
Hi, i'm french, i want to create a forum phpbb for anarchopedia's users (a french or a english forum)<br />
Do yo agree ???<br />
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:Hello, i speak french too ([http://fra.anarchopedia.org *]), i think you can create a phpbb forum, but i think that is not necessary, the discussions can be done on the anarchopedia mediawiki soft. <br />
:fr: Salut, je parle français aussi ([http://fra.anarchopedia.org *]), je pense que tu peux créer un forum phpbb, mais je pense que ce n'est pas nécessaire, du fait que les discussions peuvent se faire sur le mediawiki anarchopedia (c-a-d ici).[[User:Libre|Libre]] 04:11, 14 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
::In general I agree with Libre. I can create phpbb forum if people need it. Some people like to communicate not via wiki, but via forum... I prefer communication via wiki as well as a lot of wiki users. So, the question is what do people think about it? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:11, 16 May 2005 (CDT)<br />
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Hi, It's Blackat (the french), I can creat a forum with a template if we need it. I think people prefer phpbb boards, it's more easy. We will ba able to make debates, anarchy debates or many subjects. --[[User:Blackat|Blackat]].<br />
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:Hi, a forum is certainly good for smalltalk and can complete the discussion-pages of this wiki, but a forum without an active discussion must be dying very soon. This is the difficulty. If we install this forum then in all languages of anarchopedia and I think the forum should have the http-adress forum.anarchopedia.org. <br />
:The adventage of a forum is that more User come in contact with anarchopedia and so anarchopedia could be participate from this. <br />
:What's our task? In Europe for example is Anarchism a word with an insipid smack, You understand? Many people connect this word with chaos and destruction. It's time to show this people the truth. <br />
:*The first step was, that anarchopedia collect Anarchists from all over the world. <br />
:*The next step should be a brainstorming, how we could increase our power. The globalization dictates a reorientation of the anarchist movement. Our goals aren't reachable in a national frame. We must stand together worldwide and we we must think about our relations to other social movements. For this brainstorming can be a forum helpful. <br />
:* The third step (later) is to introduce the people with our ideas and with a vision of a new society. Then we have a little chance to change the world. <br />
:--[[User:X|X]] 12:01, 3 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
::For the first step, an email message (annoucing the project) in all languages on anarchists mailing list (ainfos ?, others... ? ), on anarchists websites known or unknown, and all others forum would be a first point to collect anarchists from all over the world. -> '''having to make/prepare a letter in all languages''' for all anarchists individuals or anarchists organizations, anarchists websites... maybe is it too early for anarchopedia ? [[User:Libre|Libre]] 06:37, 4 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
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: Hi, i think we can try ! [[User:Blackat|Blackat]]<br />
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Hm. I was thinking a lot about forum. And I think it is too complicated for Anarchopedia (another power structure; another questions...). However, if you want to open some forum which is not related to Anarchopedia, I can do that on the server. (In this moment I can offer to you just subdomain of anarhija.org ("anarchy" in Serbian/Croatian). Or if you have some domain, I can host it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:17, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)<br />
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Ok, I understand. I may try to create the forum ;)(but not related ton Anarchopédia). I Keep You informed (I take your MSN adress ;)). --[[User:Blackat|Blackat]]<br />
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:Forum is opened and it is not related to Anarchopedia. I announced it on fra: :) Look at http://yaaf.net/ --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 12:48, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Anarchist Art==<br />
Can we have "Anarchist Art", something like Wikicommons, but more geared towards people actually uploading their own "creations", which can be graffity photos, protest photos, computer graphics, poetry, or whatnot. [[:eng:User:beta_m]]<br />
:I guess the answer was "User this place", so i'm beginning to do just that... q;-) [[:eng:User:Beta_M|Beta_M]]<br />
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== Polish Anarchopedia ==<br />
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Hello<br />
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I didn't know, where I must write this text, but I wrote There(if this place is bad, please move this note)<br />
Okey.<br />
I'm admin of polish anarchopedia - http://www.anarchopedia.prv.pl and http://www.wiki.ibw.com.pl<br />
This wiki, is based on free web hosting(dhost.info), and this sever have many limitation and it is very slow.<br />
Project is not big(it is very young), but I think, that will expand/grower and I have a questions for you.<br />
*maybe you can offer hosting for polish anarchopedia ?(something like Spanish anarchopedia but more independent)<br />
*maybe you can add alians for polish anarchopedia(something like: www.pl.anarchopedia.org)?<br />
*maybe you can promotion this wiki ?<br />
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Sorry of English ;) I if you can post replay, please write to this address: prawdapunk@gmail.com | prawdapunk@poczta.onet.pl<br />
Salute Comrades<br />
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:Hello. I configured pol.anarchopedia.org (or pl.anarchopedia.org or www.pl.anarchopedia.org or www.pol.anarchopedia.org). We are using three letter codes as primary language code, but other variants are working, too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Every place is good enough for asking any question because Anarchopedia is not so big :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I am glad to see that someone took the name Anarchopedia, too :) Unlike other GFDL corpus access providers, Anarchopedia is not any kind of trademark etc. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:All language projects of Anarchopedia are independent, so don't worry :) Of course, it is assumed that Anarchopedia is anarchist project (which means that it not support pro-state nor pro-capitalist POVs). Also, all contributors on Anarchopedia are equal. This means that, unlike similar projects, Anarchopedia doesn't have [[power structure]]. Of course, problems with vandals, spammers etc., are completely different story and you can get all necessary help to fight against them. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:You (or anyone else) can add links to Polish Anarchopedia from other Anarchopedias. This is not a problem. (If I understand that you asked about the promotion of Polish Anarchopedia here.) Otherwise, from time to time, someone make some promotion of Anarchopedia. And, of course, Polish Anarchopedia would be mentioned as the part of community. However, we don't have any organized promotion of Anarchopedia. Maybe we should have it? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Make account on [http://pol.anarchopedia.org/ pol.anarchopedia.org] and I'll give to you admin permissions. Tomorrow I'll change configuraiton of Polish Anarchopedia so anyone would have admin permissions and you would have developer permissions. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:BTW, do you know to work on GNU/Linux? If you know, I can give to you a shell account, so you can administrate Polish (and others) Anarchopedias from the shell. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:22, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Hello )<br />
I Sent E-mail for you <br />
Salute<br />
And I very thank you !<br />
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== Indonesian anarchopedia ==<br />
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Hi there, Im new here, but i think it's a great idea to build a new anarchopedia in Indonesian Language, im one of sysop's in [http://www.jakartaresistance.net/librari ArtikelA], a Jakarta Anarchist Resistance project in archiving indonesian language anarchist materials (articles, leaflets, publications, etc) based on MediaWiki soft. [[User:HarisX|HarisX]] 18:25, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I can't read Indonesian, but it looks promising. If you want to make your wiki the meeting point of an anarchist community based on anarchist principles (no power structure, no "bosses"), that would be quite close to what anarchopedias are or aim to be (the main difference being the focus on encyclopedic articles, and the [[GFDL corpus]] thing). [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 22:41, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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[http://ind.anarchopedia.org Indonesian Anarchopedia] is up. Haris, please login there and I will give to you bureaucrat permissions. During the next couple of days, I would implement that all users are admins (as well as on Polish and Russian Anarchopedia). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:51, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, thank you very much --[[User:HarisX|HarisX]] 02:21, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==IRC : irc.freenode.net #anarchopedia ==<br />
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Hello Anarchopedians, an IRC canal is open for anarchopedia, it can be a place to talk about anarchopedia (articles, coordination interlingue, critics, etc) and more on anarchism... The better is using soft to chat as "Xchat" or "Gaim" (and others, but i don't know others...). That canal is not to find friends or ennemies, but it can be too, but it's firstly to talk about anarchism/anarchopedia, sharing knowledge on that philosophy, history, etc. But future of that is each to create. [[User:Libre|Libre]] 14:32, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarchopedia Portuguese ==<br />
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Hi, I'm brazilian, i love all projects of wiki, my english isn't very good, I'm here to ask a anarchopedia portuguese, I don't konow if this is which have to do to have a anarchopedia portuguese.<br />
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-[[User:thiago90ap|thiago90ap]] 04:07, 24 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Hi there, I am not the person in charge of maintaining the anarchopedia websites. Until the site for the portuguese anarchopedia isn't ready, I think you can start writing the pages in this site, then move the pages when the site is ready (I'd help you if I knew portoguese...). [[User:a|Anonymous]] 23:44, 27 Jan 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:what happened to the portugesian anarchopedia? --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|blackredisbeautiful]] 06:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Why? Portugese Anarchopedia works. See http://por.anarchopedia.org --[[User:X|X]] 05:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Anarkopedio en Esperanto ==<br />
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Hi, I do not really speak english, but I will try. How can I make an esperantist version of anarchopedia? It exists already in wikipedia ([http://www.vikipedio.org/ Vikipedio]). I would talk more about esperanto and about this idea, but I am not able to do this in english. thank you... --[[User:Raflins|Homo Ludens]] <br />
:Hi, I think an anarchopedia in esperanto is a great Idea, maybe I can learn some more esperanto than ;-) btw. do you speak any lang. besides esperanto, because I think most of us here do not know so much of it. --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|blackredisbeautiful]] 06:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Besides esperanto, i am an portuguese-speaker and can write in spanish and french... i can read any latin language from france, italy and iberia. thanks --[[User:Raflins|Homo Ludens]]<br />
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Esperanto Anarchopedia exists (http://epo.anarchopedia.org/). If you want Portugese Anarchopedia, I can put it on the net. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 03:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Arabic Anarchopedia==<br />
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Hi All .. it is really amazing Idea .. I,m active sysop in arabic wikipedia and i tried my best to spread the ideas of anarchism in ar,wikipedia ... in spite the anarchism is still weak in the arabic world .. i think we could make good work if we begin building arabic Anarchopedia . Best Regards --[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 13:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Great :) The only problem is spelling of "Anarchopedia" in Arabic. Please, write it here so I can setup the site :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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أنارشوبيديا<br />
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the first line is the spelling Anarchopedia in Arabic , the second line means : Encyclopedia of Anarchism ... so I like it would be putted under the first line in smaller size . That would great . --[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 18:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:[[:ara:|Arabic Anarchopedia]] is up. I didn't put your text inside of parentheses because I am not sure where to put it. But, you can do it where you think that it should stay... Maybe at the place of "A Peoples Encyclopedia" on English Anarchopedia... I hope that I rigtly copied the text of the Anarchopedia's name in Arabic. If I didn't, please tell me that and I'll reinstall Arabic Anarchopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 07:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Greek Anarchopedia==<br />
Some people like to start a greece Anarchopedia. Please install it. --[[User:X|X]] 01:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== New version of Anarchopedia. A lithuanian one. ==<br />
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Hi, me and a couple of other people would like to start a new Anarchopedia - in lithuanian. Frankly, I don't know what else to write (purposes, inspirations? :)), so just give me some reply/directions/etc. :) Thanx.<br />
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xzebrasx<br />
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:Done. You can start from it's [[:lit:|Pradžia]] :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 00:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Turkish Anarchopedia==<br />
I'm not thinking of writing on my own, I think I'm going to translate :) I have 2-3 friends mentioning that they are going to translate/write on Turkish Anarchopedia too. Thanks :)<br />
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== Help for Turkish anarchopedia ==<br />
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Ä° want to help to writing on turkish anarchopedia... Ä° can translate and write... If you accept my help please contect me...<br />
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:Hello, I hope we can start it in some days... in the meantime you can use meta anarchopedia to publish pages if you need urgently to. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 04:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Anarchopedia]]</div>
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<div>Greetings Sarah, and welcome to [[Anarchopedia]]. This wiki is similar to [[Wikipedia]], but there is no central authority or strict regulations. <br />
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I notice that you have added some articles from Wikipedia. These should probably have been posted on [[eng:]]:<br />
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*http://meta.anarchopedia.org/ ([[meta:]]) (the current site) is mainly for articles and discussions related to Anarchopedia.<br />
*http://eng.anarchopedia.org/ ([[eng:]]) is the English language encyclopedia.<br />
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The two have the same interface so they are easy to confuse. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 02:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)</div>
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'''Anarchopedia''' is a knowledge portal and online anarchist community. The project aims to build a multilingual encyclopedia, written cooperatively on the Internet, with a special focus on [[:eng:Anarchism|Anarchism]] and anarchist topics. This project is organized according to the means of [[:eng:unanimity|unanimity]], [[:eng:consensus|consensus]], [[:eng:voluntarism|voluntarism]], individual responsibility, and is founded upon the anarchist principles of [[:eng:direct democracy|direct democracy]] and [[:eng:autonomy|autonomy]].<br />
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==Nature of the Anarchopedia project==<br />
===Significance of the name===<br />
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The word '''Anarchopedia''' is composed of the term “Anarcho†(diminutive of anarchism/Anarchist), and of the term “pediaâ€, which comes from the ancient Greek ''paideia'' and meaning ''[[education]]'' (the project wants to be a kind of place to know, a base of knowledge of anarchism, even a place of exchange and studies on anarchism).<br />
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Anarchopedia means thus the idea that this encyclopaedia holds, by a whole of means (by the wiki), to allow the development of knowledge on anarchism. <br />
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===Tally of work of Anarchopedia===<br />
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Some of the articles were imported from [[Wikipedia]], and had to be reworked. This because it is not uncommon for articles on Wikipedia adopt pro-capitalist stances or to contain pro-authority bias, which are incompatible with the anarchist points of view.<br />
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[[Anarchopedia]] exists in various languages, including [[fra:|french]], [[eng:|english]], [[ger:|german]], [[pol:|polish]], [[ita:|italian]], [[rus:|russian]], [[spa:|spanish]] and others (but some little developed). A project exists or can exist for each language. A special multilingual wiki ([[m:|meta Anarchopedia]]) also exists, and can be used for inter-language coordination.<br />
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===Objectives of the Anarchopedia project===<br />
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An [[anarchistic encyclopaedia|anarchist encyclopedia]], the purpose of it is to clarify the subjects, the topics, to which the anarchistic movement usually refers. Among others: the organisational means specifically libertarian, the Actions or political theories suggested by the libertarians, of the history of the anarchists and anarchism, the social and economic questions, the anarchistic personalities and theorists, etc...<br />
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As an experiment in anarchistic management, Anarchopedia seeks to show how to create a successful website and a thriving community without resorting to social hierarchy as seen in other websites, while ensuring as much as possible the autonomy of the individuals and the groups involved in the project. This is what makes Anarchopedia different from other websites, and probably unique. The success or failure of this project will teach anarchists and political activists how to create Internet-based social networks according to anti-authoritarian principles.<br />
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===Characteristics of Anarchopedia===<br />
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The Anarchopedia project has specific characteristics which make it unique:<br />
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* The project aims to be an experiment in [[:eng:Anarchy|Anarchy]] and anarchistic management. The project is thus based on a Wiki (allowing a direct co-operative relation between editors and readers). A wiki allows creation and the modification by any person of any article. Wiki is a collective tool which makes it possible the anarchistic encyclopaedia to grow rich by work by each one and all, while specifying, while modifying or while adding to it of the articles. Anarchopedia does not have [[sysops]] (i.e. a power structure). All users have sysop permissions.<br />
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* Anarchopedia is not primarily intended as a “forum of discussion†(if not outward journey on [http://yaff.net yaff.net]) nor a “Web directoryâ€. Nevertheless, it is possible also to put comments on page of discussion for each article, at the time of dissent or for remarks about the treatment of an article. Anarchopedia is anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian.<br />
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* The articles of Anarchopedia are reusable according to terms' of the GNU Free Documentation License (whose name is also known in shortened form [[GFDL]]). Thus, an individual or an organization can use the contents of Anarchopedia, while conforming under the free Licence of documentation GNU. See [[Anarchopedia:Copyright]].<br />
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* [[Anarchistic points of view]] / [[APOV]]: as far as possible, any encyclopaedic writing in Anarchopedia must take part for one of the anarchistic point of view. The “neutrality of point of view†policy, such on wikipedia, is not considered too useful on Anarchopedia, because it relies on a central authority that should make decisions about the neutrality of an article and eventually carry out censorship when the article doesn't conform. Of course, it perhaps difficult to arrive to an anarchistic point of view in all the cases. On Anarchopedia, the writing rules aim at being appropriate to the rational people, even if those are not always of the same opinion. The anarchistic points of view indicate that all the facets of a discussed point must be evoked according to these points of view, and that the article must in no way of declaring, of implying or of even insinuating, that one from the points of view is that which is correct a priori. The anarchistic points of view do not imply however the representation with equality from these various points of view. Anarchopedia naturally grants place to from the traditional or recent anarchistic points of view, but nones from the being asserted point of view of certain worse anarchistic groupings (“anarchistâ€-capitalist, national-“anarchistsâ€, - and in the kind in reconversion, or reappropriation, to be made a new image -). Right-wing, pro-state, and pro-capitalist [[:en:point of view|POVs]] are not welcome on Anarchopedia. Moreover, if a point of view is for example only constant by certain groups of certain specific ideological tendencies, it will be described like that.<br />
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==Operation of Anarchopedia==<br />
=== Modification of the articles ===<br />
Concretely, each page of Anarchopedia has a button which any visitor, even not recorded, can click to modify, to add or remove what it contains. Each one can also create new pages, leading the site to grow.<br />
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For the edition of the pages, the wiki syntax, a kind of very simplified HTML language, makes it possible to format pages and to create links between them.<br />
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==== Principle of Wikis ====<br />
Anarchopedia and its parallel projects are of the free “WikiWikiWebsâ€. Created in 1995 by “Ward Cunninghamâ€, Wiki draws its name from the word hawaïen “WikiWikiâ€, which means “quicklyâ€. Developed originally by communities of free software developers, Wikis are dynamic Web sites, of which any visitor can modify the page which it is reading. Thanks to this characteristic, on Wiki, the limit between the reader and the author tends to disappear. The syntax of the wiki is much simpler than the “HTMLâ€, and it is enough to a few moments to learn it (two apostrophes to put in italic, three to boldface, two brakets for a links), nevertheless a toolbar is included in the interface to simplify the use of syntax (by buttons).<br />
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Anarchopedia functions with the free software “[[:eng:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]â€. The data of Anarchopedia (present in a database), all languages can be downloaded starting from the direction [[Anarchopedia:Technic|SERVER + /dev/db/ of each anarchopedia]].<br />
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===Monitoring of the quality of the articles===<br />
The MediaWiki software, like all wiki-software, includes features that make it possible to facilitate the consultation and the management of the site. It is thus possible to constantly consult the last modifications made to the whole of the site (new pages, new contributions, recent Modifications…).<br />
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In Anarchopedia, the participants add their contributions to those of the others. Thus, they correct the errors of other writers and work together on the topics possibly discussed by respecting APOV.<br />
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All the history of the contributions is preserved: successive versions of the text, authors, reasons for the modifications, dates. It can be consulted while clicking on the “history" button. This permanent device of safeguard makes it possible to return to the need to a preceding version. Thus, even in the presence of vandal, the encyclopaedia is not endangered.<br />
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The anarchopedians can specify which article they wish monitor for modification, often those on which they intervened. It is thus possible for them to periodicaly check the evolution of the contents of the articles which interest them. MediaWiki makes it possible to post the text modified between two versions, even if they are not followed.<br />
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The followed articles can thus be corrected if erroneous information entered, or if the quality of the article drops: style, orthography, poor presentation, lack of clearness, need for a synthesis of the data. This system of follow-up of the articles also makes it possible to locate the acts of vandalism, and to restore the preceding version of the text.<br />
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In the event of dissent on the contents of an article, a argued debate proceeds in the page of discussion annexed to the article. This discussion forms integral part of the encyclopaedia, and its reading can be instructive on the delicate points to treat in the contents of the article. This page is accessible via the button “discussionâ€.<br />
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===Participants===<br />
The contributors can optionally create an account with a name and a password, so their modifications can be tracked and their contributions attributed. Registered contributors can profit from a personal page and additional functionalities. In fact, the majority of the contributors are registered. There are currently some contributors in differents languages.<br />
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There is no “chief†in the project Anarchopedia, the project is entirely self-managed by its voluntary participants, and aims to be as decentralized as possible in self-management. To contribute to Anarchopedia, it is sufficient to read some of the internal documentation and possibly create an account.<br />
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===An anarchistic encyclopaedia===<br />
Anarchopedia is an [[anarchistic encyclopaedia]] in the political sense of the term : its operation is founded on the [[:en:autonomy|autonomy]] and the [[:en:self-management|self-management]] of Anarchopedians, and not on the [[:en:authority|authority]] (of some).<br />
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In this sense, it illustrates the famous saying of [[Pierre Joseph Proudhon]] : “''Anarchy, it is the order, without the authority''†(Confessions of a revolutionist).<br />
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On the other hand, Anarchopedia is the opposite of an “anarchy†within the meaning of a community struck by a state of disorder. Order is ensured by the individuals associated on anarchopedia.<br />
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Anarchopedians do not give orders to other anarchopedians. Mandates and tasks can be assigned to individuals during [[:Category:General Meetings|General Assemblies]].<br />
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==Anarchopedia and collective regulation==<br />
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===Why Anarchopedia doesn't break down ?===<br />
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By its open organization and because of the absence of holders of authority, Anarchopedia can appear like a project very fragile, ready to be broken down under the attacks of vandals, or with being submerged by contributions in disaccord with a general consensus. Anarchopedia undergoes, from time to time, the effect of individuals who seek degrade his contents, to even erase its pages. As for the them, they always showed less perseverance or persistence than Anarchopedians, so it is unlikely that they would be able to damage the project permanently.<br />
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On final, a report is essential: there are more Net surfers wishing to work for the interest of the realization of Anarchopedia, than people who seek to harm it.<br />
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===Why take part in Anarchopedia?===<br />
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With the first access, to devote time to Anarchopedia may not appear a particularly attractive activity. It is necessary:<br />
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* to experiment and learn the operating mode of wiki and anarchopedia,<br />
* to show humility by accepting that its texts are modified by other participants,<br />
* to accept that others can have another approach on a question that oneself,<br />
* to respect radically different or opposite opinions which are often debated, under the Anarchist Points of view.<br />
* to devote time to ungrateful tasks like the correction of the spelling mistakes or the errors of working.<br />
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==Criticisms==<br />
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The growing success of Anarchopedia led a great number of people to formulate a critical opinion on the reliability of the information presented in this encyclopaedia. The statute of Anarchopedia as a source of reference remains a subject of controversy. The principal objections are as follows:<br />
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* the absence of filtering of the editors according to their competences, which involves the risk of inaccuracies, and more generally the absence of a reading panel guaranteeing the quality of the articles,<br />
* the heterogeneity of the quality of the articles,<br />
* the preference for the [[consensus]] of the editors after a reasoned debate, rather than for the argument of authority,<br />
* [[anarchistic points of view]], considered as an illusion or a political or cultural prejudice,<br />
* the risk to seek the anarchistic [[consensus]] rather than the anarchistic [[truth]], and to support the relativism in the name of the anarchistic Point of view, even if it means to tolerate unfounded speeches on subjects concerned with personal philosophy, or propaganda for groups for example,<br />
* the anonymity of the majority of the contributors,<br />
* the vandalism, supported by the open nature of wiki.<br />
* the risk to see groupings using Anarchopedia to make propaganda, or many geniuses autoclaimed to disseminate eccentric information,<br />
* the systematic existence of skew in spite of the concern from the anarchistic point of view,<br />
* apparent lack of responsibility and references compared with other encyclopaedias,<br />
* skepticism on the capacity of Anarchopedia, considering its operation based on a collective regulation, to improve quality of the articles, even the prediction of an inescapable walk towards the mediocrity,<br />
* a great number of articles are appeared as a compilation of rough information, without the effort of synthesis which should characterize an encyclopaedic text,<br />
* the contents of Anarchopedia are closely related to the centers of interest of its contributors, from where lacks in the panorama of knowledge. <br />
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===Answers to the criticisms===<br />
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TODO<br />
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==Extent of the Anarchopedia project==<br />
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<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[alb:|Albanian]] <small>(sq) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[ara:|Arabic]] <small>(ar) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[hye:|Armenian]] <small>(hy) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[bos:|Bosnian]] <small>(bs) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[chi:|Chinese]] <small>(zh) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[hrv:|Croatian]] <small>(hr) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[dan:|Danish]] <small>(da) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[eng:|English]] <small>(en) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[epo:|Esperanto]] <small>(eo) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[fra:|French]] <small>(fr) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[ger:|German]] <small>(de) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[gre:|Greek]] <small>(el) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[heb:|Hebrew]] <small>(he) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[dut:|Dutch]] <small>(nl) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[ind:|Indonesian]] <small>(in) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[ita:|Italian]] <small>(it) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[jpn:|Japanese]] <small>(ja) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[lav:|Latvian]] <small>(lv) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[lit:|Lithuanian]] <small>(lt) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[nor:|Norwegian]] <small>(no) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[fas:|Persian]] <small>(fa) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[pol:|Polish]] <small>(pl) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[por:|Portugese]] <small>(pt) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[rum:|Romanian]] <small>(ro) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[rus:|Russian]] <small>(rus) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[srp:|Serbian]] <small>(sr) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[spa:|Spanish]] <small>(es) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[swe:|Swedish]] <small>(sv) •</small></span><br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap">[[tur:|Turkish]] <small>(tr) •</small></span><br />
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* [[List_of_Anarchopedias]]<br />
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==History==<br />
===Antecedents===<br />
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The Anarchopedia project falls under a will to continue with “modern†means (Internet and wiki), the project of collection and organization of the knowledge on anarchism. The idea to gather the whole of knowledge on anarchism will be initiated by [[Sebastien Faure]] in the [[anarchistic encyclopaedia]] (1927), or by maitron in its works of history on the anarchists, and various anarchistic authors will gather documents or writings allowing a posteriori to carry out this base of knowledge on anarchism.<br />
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With the development of Internet, several people developed knowledge bases on anarchism by Internet (bibliotecs, writings, daily bleed, etc). <br />
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===Origin of the project===<br />
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Wikipedia will be another knowledge base under development, they will be one of the bases and inspirer of this project.<br />
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===Anarchopedia project===<br />
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[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] launched the [http://meta.anarchopedia.org Anarchopedia project] (also as Anarchapedia) in ''[http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-September/035299.html September 2004]'', with multiple languages, differing from wikipedia in that every user is granted sysop status; thus launching a direct experiment of anarchy.<br />
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Anarchopedia started in "September 2004", the anglophone wiki in November 2004, and several other projects carried out thereafter. <br />
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====Similar projects====<br />
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*A [http://encyclopedie.zaup.org parallel project], just in french language, and without sysop for all, was launched in november 2004 on [http://zaup.org zaup.org]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 12 March 2005.<br />
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*A [Indonesian parallel project], just in Indonesian language, was launched ??? on [???]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 17 September 2005.<br />
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*A [polish parallel project], just in polish language, was launched in ???? on [http://???? ????]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 28 August 2005.<br />
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*A [http://wiki.anarcho.dk parallel project], just in danish language, was launched at august 11 th in 2005 on [http://anarcko.dk anarko.dk]. that project merged with the anarchopedia project on 19 March 2006.<br />
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===Other forms of diffusion of Anarchopedia===<br />
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CD ? DVD ? P2P ? Papers ?<br />
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==advance of Anarchopedia==<br />
===Outstanding dates of Anarchopedia===<br />
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===Principal indicators of the advance of Anarchopedia===<br />
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to be made, with the statistics…<br />
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===Draft reports===<br />
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==See also==<br />
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In addition to this article, you can read some of the articles which intend describe individual aspects of '''Anarchopedia''':<br />
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*[[Anarchopedia:en:itself|Anarchopedia, itself]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:purpose|Anarchopedia, purpose]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:we|Anarchopedia, we]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:policy|Anarchopedia, policy]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:direct democracy|direct democracy]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:Sysops|sysops]]<br />
*[[:en:point of view|point of view]] (POV)<br />
*[[:en:large public wiki|large public wiki]]<br />
*[[Anarchopedia:en:faction|factions]]: [[Anarchopedia:en:Reds|Reds]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Pinks|Pinks]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Greens|Greens]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Blues|Blues]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Golds|Golds]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Trolls|Trolls]], [[Anarchopedia:en:Elves|Elves]]<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
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[[pl:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[de:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[en:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[fr:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[it:Anarchopedia]]<br />
[[id:Anarchopedia]]<br />
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[[Category:Anarchopedia]]</div>
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The '''GFDL corpus''' is the body of all material licensed under [[GFDL]]. It includes at least the [[GFDL text corpus]] material made available by the following [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s: <br />
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=== major access providers ===<br />
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Each of these providers has a different attitude to the '''corpus''':<br />
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*[[Anarchopedia:Itself]] seeks to liberate it for everyone.<br />
*[[Wikipedia]] (copies or forks of the GFDL corpus are often incorrectly called "[[a wikipedia]]" to mean more or less "near-universal [[GFDL corpus access provider]] with [[wikitext standard]] editing facilities") seeks to "own" it and the [[Wikipedia power structure]] typically refuses to grant that there is any '''GFDL corpus''' beyond that one project - indeed [[Wikipedia violates GFDL]] quite openly<br />
*[[Wikinfo]] (except where material is marked as per some other license like [[Creative Commons]]) seeks to split it into "sympathetic" and "critical" articles<br />
*[[Disinfopedia]] seeks to expose [[propaganda techniques]] and uses the corpus primarily as a source on methods and examples.<br />
*[[Consumerium]] seeks to extend the critical approach to [[moral purchasing]] and what is bought in the marketplace<br />
**[[Consumerpedia]] and [[CorpKnowPedia]] are subsets of the Consumerium model with information about [[corporation]] and other commercial activity.<br />
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=== legal potential to merge with Creative Commons ===<br />
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There has been some discussion of trying to [[dual-license]] all this under [[CC-by-sa]]. This seems very difficult as it would involve thousands of contributors, some hard to find or unwilling to verify their authorship. [[Creative Commons]] is discussing this in the context of enabling [[GFDL corpus access provider]]s to offer such options to their users.<br />
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There are problems with this approach: The GFDL text corpus predates [[Common Content]] and can't be cleanly relicensed as the latter due to diffuse copyright ownership. Only an 'upgrade' to later versions of the GFDL could apply. It's occasionally proposed that future versions of GFDL and CC by-sa should be compatible, but it's not clear that this will happen. One [[speculative content|speculative]] [[future]] proposal is to create a more compatible [[CC-by-sa-fd]] to include the clauses that try to guarantee the integrity of the documentation and attribution, and have a future GFDL declare that it is in effect a dual-license between prior GFDLs and this new CC.<br />
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''See [[CC-by-sa]], [[GFDL]], [[parametric license]] and [[Share Alike]] for other license issues.''<br />
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=== editorial ===<br />
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In addition to these legal issues there are editorial ones:<br />
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There is some hope that a true unified '''GFDL Corpus''' with a single set of editing and forking and reintegration rules might arise. This would require removal of obstacles (like "usurpation" by any single [[GFDL corpus access provider]]), perhaps bringing in players like [[FSF]] or [[Creative Commons:Itself]] or an [[independent board]] for the corpus itself.<br />
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=== trolls vs. sysops ===<br />
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There is substantial [[ideology]] around the '''GFDL corpus''' and many disputes about its future. Advocates of [[sysop vandalism]] claim that there "must be" a central provider and that this provider is de facto guardian with [[eminent domain]] over the content. Ordinary members of [[Wikipedia]]'s [[sysop power structure]] go along with this even if they have disagreements or reservations about it, and such practices as demanding [[link back]]s to [[Wikipedia]] for all '''GFDL corpus''' users or trying to threaten those who refer generally to "[[a wikipedia]]" are very common.<br />
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[[Trolls]] seek to achieve independence of user interface and access the GFDL text corpus itself directly through any user interface. This they are doing at present through use of tools they do not share with non-trolls, so little can be said about these. It appears inevitable that:<br />
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Eventually, by a combination of legal and technical means, such trolls will succeed, and the GFDL text corpus will be liberated and visible and editable as a whole, and it will be relatively easy to undo [[sysop vandalism]] and avoid [[cabal]]s.<br />
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[[Anarchopedia:Itself]] may be the first step in that process, as it makes the ability to [[Anarchopedia:delete page|delete]] and [[Anarchopedia:restore page|restore]] available to anyone, including [[Anarchopedia:troll IP|troll IP]]s everyone hates.<br />
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== External links ==<br />
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*[http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=GFDL_corpus en: CreativeCommons: GFDL corpus]</div>
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==27. April 2006==<br />
now online:<br />
*ar: http://ara.anarchopedia.org<br />
*zh: http://chi.anarchopedia.org (or http://zho.anarchopedia.org)<br />
*ja: http://jpn.anarchopedia.org<br />
==5 May 2006==<br />
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*pt: http://por.anarchopedia.org</div>
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==Technic==<br />
===mysqldump===<br />
Could you kindly do regularly updated [[MySQL dump]]s so what happened at [[Recyclopedia]] doesn't happen again.<br />
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mysqldump --opt -uusername -ppassword databasename cur old > anarchopedia.sql <br />
tar cvzf anarchopedia.tar.gz anarchopedia.sql <br />
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and then just move it into a downloadable location and update the [[MySQL dump]] article. Thanks.<br />
:I'll do that now, but may you explain to me what was the problem? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:20, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:And do you think that it would be usefull to make daily backups of database because of some mysql problem? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 20:22, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::: I do not know what the problem is but I can guess. Recyclopedia was a wiki that went up that people saw as an alternative to Wikipedia. So they did a lot of edits and work on the site and then *boom*, it went down. It didn't do mysql dumps to an ftp'able directory every week, so when Recyclopedia went down for good, all the work was lost (except for what people saved and Google cache and so forth).<br />
::: [[Wikipedia]] has a policy that it dumps its database twice a week. Of course, Wikipedia does not follow its policy, the last database dump was 8 days ago. Wikipedia (all languages) has a (compressed) 26.8 gig database. To download just English is 13.5 gigs compressed for the old database, plus 384MB compressed of diffs from the previous dump. Your database is not that big so you don't have to worry about all of that - yet. But backups are always good. Once or twice a week should be enough. Compressed and erased after a certain amount of time (perhaps saving one backup once a month or so). [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 08:45, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::: I didn't say (here) that mysqldumps are working every day at 01:00 CDT (I'll change it soon to 01:00 UTC). I know that mysqldumps would not be so often when Anarchopedia becomes large, but we will find some way for backups... (You can see [[MySQL dump]] page for details.) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 12:31, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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===Templates===<br />
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====Templates====<br />
Just rename templates:<br />
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Typical lines are:<br />
<pre><nowiki>| style="border-top:1px solid #000000; font: 125% Verdana; color:white"align="center" bgcolor="#000000"|'''HEADING'''<br />
|-<br />
| style="border-top:1px solid #000000; font: 95% Verdana; color:white" align="justify" bgcolor="#222222"|<br />
{{THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}<br />
<div style="float: right;"><small>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Template:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE|action=edit}} edit]</small></div><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
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I'll move templates to name space like <nowiki>{{en:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}} of {{localurl:Template:en:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}</nowiki> for english, but use this form for other languages, ie: <nowiki>{{ie:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}} or {{localurl:Template:ie:THE NAME OF THE TEMPLATE}}</nowiki>.<br />
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--[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 15:18, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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====Name of templates====<br />
The French and the German pages are now in the new look. I did reserve different traductions where my English is not the best...<br />
Template names: I did prefer to use the same name on English but the introduction with the language signs. For ex. :en:Templates, :de:Templates, :fr:Templates (not :en:Templates, :de:Schablonen, :fr:pochoir). Reasons: It is so better to follow if a page has an absolutely equivalent in de, fr etc. Different internet names have no official equivalent and can be transleted with really very different translations.<br />
--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:49, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==Languages==<br />
Hi I propose you to introduce each titel with a language mark like, for this page: "en:Syndicate" so you don't need to split as in Wikipedia/Wikibooks/Wiktionary and can use the same titel in different languages. If you rename now your 100 existing pages, we can assure so a really better start!<br />
French and German will continue (it is to late for me now in Europe)! Spanish will follow in a few days...<br />
:If you say so, but do you think that linking should be more complicated if you have to write always <nowiki>[[en:Name of the page]]</nowiki>? I said (on the lost Syndicate page) that I'll open Anarchopedias in other languages, of course. Maybe it is better to have modular Anarchopedia... If we have Anarchopedia in different languages, for example, I can move 10% of data to another server or something like that. If we have one large database, I'll (we'll) have to play with some distributed database, with distributed file system etc. If we look at Wikipeda, we can see that all of non-English Wikipedias has around 1.000.000 articles and English Wikipedia has 300.000. It means that we will have to use "non-conventional" solutions three times after we would have to if all articles are in one database. We do not have to hurry (a lot). 100 or 200 articles are reasonable for moving by hand. Do you still think that it is better not to separate different languages Anarchopedias? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 10:19, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::Hi millosh, I personaly would find better to consider that all the contributors are on the same ship. I am really a new user of such open sites for team work but I did have big difficulties at wikipedia with the terrible big amount of help pages. My special problem for example is that I never did learn English. I can understand 80 .. 90 % of the texts or perhaps more. I can write easier, but not correct, as I can read :-) . Especially because I use a computer programme to translate and check the orthography: I write on English where I can and can enter a German word if don't know it on English: It appairs (sometimes, the computer don't all the words) in the window where I am working. But if I search in an help page it is because I have a really difficult problem. For this reason I did have to look for help on the pages of my familiar languages French and German. But in most situations I did find empty links for the difficult pages, for example concerning "templates" etc. The subdivision wikipedia in different wikis make the multilingual user tired. The logins work only within the lingual subdivision. Etc. It is evident by using Wikipedia that we don't live all on the same planet ;-) ! But specialists oft knows more than one language and would appreciate to considerate the community as a global community and continue to write without to change of community and of interlocutors her messages. There are very different possibilities to split a big site if necessary: I would find the "thematics" better because if I am an occasional user of information, I surf on the web and accept to have to relink and login if I will show my identity. If I work as contributor I would find better to occupate me with writing or translating good things as with logins and other difficulies. If the sum of all contributions (also in all languages) about "technology" for example make a problem and is to heavy, you can split the serveur no 1 in two serveurs no. 1 and no. 2 and bring all the thing about technology on the new serveur. The technology specialist stay all together in only one environment and preserve an high efficacity by working. Perhaps it is also a matter of the technic of redirection technical, login and cookies? --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:10, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:::Yes, you are right. (I am in the similar position as you are... I don't need computer translator (and there are no computer translators for Serbian), but I use dictionaries often and my English syntax is terrible :) ). I think that the most important reason is "living on the same planet". I think that that the Main Page in the future should have welcome and links to other languages. Also, I'll try to work on MediaWiki so we can have different localizations at the same engine. So, we can start with moving. I think that we can work like that: "real pages" should be named like "en:Main Page", but we should have redirect from "Main Page" to "en:Main Page". If one word is written the same in some number of languages; for example, if "Proudhon" is written the same in English and in French -- we should have the page "Proudhon" with links to en:Proudhon and fr:Proudhon. Also, with the note that if someone used an internal link, (s)he should change link to the correct page. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:58, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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I think the pages look messy. There's [[:En:anarchism]] and [[:en:anarchism]] as well as [[anarchism]]. Instead of something simple like [[libertarian socialism]], something like [[:en:libertarian socialism|libertarian socialism]] becomes necessary. I perceive this getting messy. Perhaps you should do it the way Wikipedia does it. Otherwise, it should be as invisible to the end-user as Wikipedia (the web server can detect the language from browser settings or something). [[User:68.161.98.133|68.161.98.133]] 21:43, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:It is open problem at Anarchopedia. Please, read [[:en:name space]] and talk there. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:35, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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===Contribution to interlingual organization of Anarchopedia===<br />
Main pages for languages should be at the place: <nowiki>[[Anarchopedia:The name of the language]]</nowiki>. Does anyone have better idea? I moved [[Main Page]] to [[Anarchopedia:English]]. For now, [[Anarchopedia:English]] is the main page, but it would not be in the future,.. Also, use [[Anarchopedia:en:Design]] to be envolved in making new design(s) of Anarchopedia. As soon as possible, I'll put somewhere into Anarchopedian wiki CSS code of Anarchopedian current design. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:52, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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===Dictionary, Template:en:Languages===<br />
Where is the template now? (I have no copy because the construction of the dictionary isn't finish). This template is one of the 2 more important pages for the multi-linguage traduction dictionary! --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 05:10, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:Hum! all templates are away. The almost finish dictionary is completly broken. Perhaps my error? --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 05:17, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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I would propose a new titel "Equiped for the live" (in good English)! --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:36, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:I am working on the New Main Page. My idea is to devide "Anarchopedia" and "Encyclopedia". The part "Anarchopedia" should be encyclopedia of anarchism and "Encyclopedia" (or your term "Equiped for the life"; I think correct is "life", but I don't know if the article "the" is correct ;) ... of "Equiped to live"). What do (all of) you think about that? I'll finish new design today, but, of course, everything can be changed. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:01, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::I did trying following on French (the page is finish; only proofs and timelines did give me problems to understand it): "Knowledge giving a sens/signification/orientation to live"--[[User:Oui|Oui]] 14:22, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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====Gaiagraphy====<br />
The [http://www-2.knu.ac.kr/~geo/professor/Bill%20Hipwell.htm Gaiagraphy] work by [[Special:Contributions/213.54.182.152|213]] is quite interesting, isn't it? Perhaps this should be a broad, popular front wiki for anarchists, socialists, greens and other [[Anarchopedia:Faction]]s to have encyclopedic articles on [[activism]], [[direct action]], [[social change]] and the like? See [http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Lance_Murdoch] for one perspective.<br />
:Yes, it is interesting. I just wandered what is gaiagraphy :) because it is not so usual term. (Even Google doesn't have a lot of articles about gaiagraphy; around 5 to 10.) Maybe it is good idea to explain what is gaiagraphy first. An, of course, I would like that Anarchopedia become not only an encyclopedia of anarchism, but anarchist (activist, greens and others) encyclopedia. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 10:19, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)</nowiki><br />
::Hi Millosh enter "myers norman gaia" into a search motor to find (actually at yahoo) 11000 references on this autor --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:23, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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===Community===<br />
It would be better to use in all pages the same template: In Wikipedia each one have to add new links to other linguage section, to his sections and to other sections that he find interessting. A template makes that alls sections are automaticly present after her first registation on the English master page... Only the titel would differ. Of course languages with different alphabet can choice a different way. I find it is not important to read the name of the different languages in the language what we frequent actually: If one read "magyar", if he speaks hungary, he knows what is magyar and it is enough! The links to the language subdivisions are not for a curiosity. Why this comment? On weekipedia the links to languages need really a lot of place on the main page. And after a time of growing, place problems can appair... --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 14:36, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==POV questions==<br />
What's the POV conventions for anarchopedia? Is it specifically anarchist? How would we guarantee an anarchist POV, and do it in an anarchist manner? [[User:Millerc|millerc]] 00:44, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:I would think that anything between strict NPOV and APOV (anarchist point of view) is ''acceptable''. Since actual NPOV content does not advocate any position, it does not advocate capitalism, statism, etc. However, if someone decided to insert a fascist or other unwelcome point of view, it could be reverted or cleaned up to remove their advocacy, depending on the circumstances. The content would be preserved in the page history. I do not think that we should attempt to hide any factual information; instead, any such arguments should simply be refuted in the text.<br />
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:The way to enforce APOV is through [[meatball:SoftSecurity|SoftSecurity]]. All edits can be reverted or fixed as easily as they were originally made. In extreme circumstances (e.g. a bot designed to enforce a POV), we could use a [[Special:Blockip|block]] to defend the project. Unlike most other wikis, blocks on Anarchopedia are in no way restricted to a certain class of users, so there is no [[:en:state|monopoly on the use of force]].<br />
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:I believe that we should be neutral about differences in opinion between actual anarchists. For example, "[[:en:violence]]" should not be an essay opposing violence, nor should it state that violence is necessary for change. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 01:25, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Neutrality is an illusion, we should change the concept of Neutral POV to Global POV. The Global POV is the only POV that includes all other POV. Which means it's the only one to includes itself. Global refers to global as in "Think global, act local". It is also known as the Natural POV, but as NPOV (Natural POV) could be easily confused with NPOV (Neutral POV), GPOV should be preferred. Not to mention the curiosity effect that will draw people to read our policy, guidelines and objectives, and that we have to cultivate our differences from other wiki/encyclopedia projects.<br />
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==New look==<br />
The new main page looks good but I don't find the texts... (The same problem as at Wikipedia! What is a template, how does a template work! ;-) to complicate for me I'm sorry...<br />
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*I am using templates. Look at [[Anarchopedia talk:Interlingue]] where I explained how to make the main page. You can edit template by clicking on "edit" in the bottom of the cell and you can see there how to do that. If you need some more informations, be free to ask. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 15:21, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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==Implications of English words==<br />
I found the words "old people" (I changed it to elderly) and "backwardness" (I changed it to dysfunction) on the main page. These words have negative connotations in English, and might be considered insulting, so I changed them. I understand that not everyone's native language is English, so I won't be offended, but I will continue to make large changes to the language used in the future. Feel free to talk with me if I change something in a way that doesn't seem to represent what you were thinking. [[User:Millerc|millerc]] 16:25, 6 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:Thank you millerc --[[User:Oui|Oui]] 12:51, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
::Thank you from my side, too :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 13:00, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
:::Yes good moves all -- an anonymous troll<br />
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As english is not my mother tongue, I'm no expert. But as an advanced linguist I can tell that, it is vital not to fall in the politically correct way of talking. As long as it doesn't change the meaning of the idea expressed through the words there will be no problem, so be sure to report such a change to Millerc.<br />
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== Namespaces ==<br />
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Should we continue to use titles with language codes like "en" and "de"? I think it would be easier to use the name of the language in parentheses if it is shared by multiple languages, such as [[George W. Bush (English)]] and [[George W. Bush (Espa&ntilde;ol)]]. [[George W. Bush]] would be a disambiguation page if the article existed in multiple languages. Names like [[libertarian socialism]] are unique to their language and are unambiguous, so in that case, the English page would be at that name. <br />
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We should also merge the dictionary with the articles so that the information can be more easily found. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 11:34, 9 Oct 2004 (CDT)<br />
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*It is not so ugly as it is now... We would have more problems with name space if we stay at one Anarchopedia with a lot of languages. However, we need to find a way for simple tranlation from one Anarchopedia to more. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:30, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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I think the different languages should be separated as on Wikipedia. What's the point of linking things on the same site when you can't read the other language? You can have english.anarchopedia.org, deutsch.anarchopedia.org, français.encyclopedia.org, although I don't know if DNS handles cedillas. Whatever - it is too confusing as is. Wikipedia has been successful with its model. Wikipedia has language page links. I don't mind if something different is done, but it should be invisible to the front-end user. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:29, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Also, on Wikipedia, when I go to http://www.wikipedia.org it senses my browser is English and takes me to http://en.wikipedia.org . You could leave www (THIS site), as multi-language and whatever, and make en.wikipedia.org English-only. That might be a good idea. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:31, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*We would use language codes when/if we would have different Anarchopedias (something like eng.anarchopedia.org, esp.anarchopedia.org, fra.anarchopedia.org etc.; I think that three letters code is more equal for all languages; a lot of them doesn't have two letters code because they are not in the group of around 300-400 "bigger" languages; so we should not have problems with non-ASCII characters in DNS). --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 05:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Wikipedia doesn't detect your browser settings. "www.wikipedia.org" is just alias for "en.wikipedia.org", so you are getting redirection; i.e., I have Serbian settings in my browser and I am getting the same: www->en and I have to write sr.wikipedia.org for Serbian Wikipedia. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 05:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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Use the exactly same ISO language codes (EN, FR, etc. as wikipedia for now, but the three-letter codes are in fact more equal, as long as they are also standard - are they?) -- an anonymous troll<br />
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== Anarchapedia ==<br />
Is Anarch'''a'''pedia a viable project? It would make more sense for Anarch'''o'''pedia and Anarch'''a'''pedia to be one project. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 01:28, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Activity at AnarchApedia is very low. ... A lot of females say that "everything belongs to men". So, I didn't want to make male-centric project. In this moment we are working on AnarchOpedia and we are talking to other people about it. If some anarcha-feminists would like to work there, we can make some coordination. But, in the moment when there were two edits in one month -- I don't see any kind of good or bad things if AnarchApedia exits. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*Or you think that AnarchApedia should be another name for AnarchOpedia? I don't know. Would we become "the same as others" if female project is just nickname for us? --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 02:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*:We could just invisibly redirect the domain to anarchopedia.org. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 20:01, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*:*Yes, I know what do you want :) Apache should say that one more alias for anarchOpedia.org is anarchApedia.org. But, is it right thing to do? Would we become man-centric? I think the most ethically way is to leave that domain to women even it doesn't have a lot of sense. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::Millosh is correct, leave it to evolve as it will evolve, and leave women in charge of it, period. -- anonymous trolls<br />
*I don't get it. We shouldn't be seperating ourselves more than necessary, language made sense, cause it was practical, but gender? That makes no sense. As Anarchists, we're all feminists are we not? Furthermore, men have alot to learn from our companeras, so why would we divide? This way, when we do things that are a little "man-centric", we have companeras involved who would give us some righteous rage! If necessary, I say we have an invisible redirect from AnarchOpedia, to AnarchApedia, and just merge our projects there :D--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 03:59, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
:::Correct, you "don't get it": *YOU* don't get to define "We". No, not all anarhcists are feminists, and it's not up to you to decide what women will put up with. When there are enough women involved, they might decide to temporarily redirect invisibly, but they could retain the right to split - an anonymous troll<br />
**Yes, (almost) all of us agree with principles of anarcha-feminism. But, feminists (sometime) like to work only with women, not with men. And we are men :) (as I think). ... Some time ago, I sent an email to Kate from [http://www.anarcha.org Anarcha]. She didn't say anything until today. I told to her today that I want to give domain anarchapedia.(org|net|info) (other domains doesn't exist; this opens another question: I would not like to see .com or .biz domain for anarchopedia; should we/I buy it and leave it without anything or not?) to her or them. It is not our business :) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:29, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes buy it and hold it for them. If it's exploited for porn, project over. And if women are associated with any URL, it will be exploited for porn. A lot of people just go to the .com first with [[direct navigation]], i.e. [[typein]]s of the assumed domain name.<br />
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''feminists (sometime) like to work only with women, not with men. '' - Very true, but this is in fact a general issue which is not specific to feminists -- see [[Anarchopedia:en:Faction]]. Anarchopedia namespace pages suggests that this is a progressive project, and as we know, progressives are divided into factions and lesser inclinations sometimes called a tendency, and while they may be aligned on short term goals, may often support quite different ideology or political party options.<br />
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There must be a way to ask the Marxists themselves to review and critique Marxist POVs without having them all hacked up and mixed up with animal rights POVs too soon, before they are clearly stated, and without having to ask oh say "royal libertarians" on the Wikipedia mailing list to judge their validity.<br />
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:::Yes there is: that is why "Reds" and "Golds" are different factions:<br />
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[[User:Lance Murdoch]] said that "[[Indymedia]] began very open, and then decided to finally stop authoritarian right-wing people from disrupting the site", but we might want to find some fairer way to draw a stop to Wikipedia-style attrition wars of exclusion. By supporting variants like [[Anarchopedia:Reds]] and [[Anarchopedia:Golds]] that may actually hate each other, we hope to create understanding. That might not work, but, it's a worthy experiment. Eventually we all need to get by on one planet. So why not get by with [[Anarchopedia:en:One big wiki|en:One big wiki]], just like the one big union or world government thesis? If it doesn't work, well, something will be learned. [[User:Live and let Troll|Live and let Troll]]<br />
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:::Good plan. But remember that nothing alive has no gender at all, so the division or potential division into separate gendered wikis is a wise one at least in theory. No culture exists on Earth that did not have separated discourses for males and females - though some are losing that distinction now, it is certainly only an experiment, which is by no means guaranteed to be succesful. Best to reserve the right (and domains) to split off female from male discourse in case they turn out to be irreconcilable. - the trolls<br />
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I've redirected the Anarchapedia domain to Anarchopedia. It had been overrun by vandals and had no real contributors. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 20:12, 4 Feb 2005 (CST)<br />
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:::That's because nothing real was ever done with it. Reserve it until there are enough women to form a collective to make a binding decision.<br />
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:::Without a commitment to [[patroll]] anarchapedia, what do you expect?<br />
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== article names, links, English and so forth ==<br />
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One of the things in Wikipedia is ease of use. In Wikipedia you just surround a <nowiki>[[word]]</nowiki> with brackets and it becomes an article. Here you must surround everything with <nowiki>[[en:lots of stuff|lots of stuff]]</nowiki>. Article names on wiki are simple as well.<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini-Huygens is for Cassini-Huygens, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism is for Buddhism. This software wasn't designed to have en: prepended to English pages, and for links be more complex than two brackets on each side. I think if these changes are necessary they should be done on the server side, not the user side. You have to segregate the different languages. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 05:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*It seems that we need to vote about that problem. I'll reanarge page [[Anarchopedia:en:name space]] for voting. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 00:33, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
*The consensus seems to be to segregate, how are we going to go about this now? Good thing the decision came with 200 pages, rather than later on in this resources life. That would have been a pain. Is there a way to get a list of all the articles named in the former format so we can figure out what needs to be done and divide up the work?--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 04:03, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
**Yes. You can look at [[Special:Allpages]] (if it is what did you try to find). But, we have some questions to solve (and some work to do) before open Anarchopedia in different languages. Please, see [[Work in progress]] for details. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 19:19, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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== "Anarcho"-Capitalism ==<br />
I thought we were attempting to be different from wikipedia's self-defeating "NPOV" policies. Under an APOV atmosphere, why are we perpetuating the lie that there is such a thing as "Anarcho"-Capitalism? How are we supposed to be any better than wikipedia if we can't even defend our own movement from being defined into anything anyone wants us to be defined as? This is rediculous--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 20:51, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:This is in section "what we are not", i.e. "what anarchism is not" with rascism, homophobia etc. Also, we can change that article(s) into APOV, but I think that we should write encyclopedia... I.e.: we don't like capitalism but we should write about capitalism from APOV. (Notation is from An Anarchis FAQ with "Anarcho" inside of quotes.) Also, please use [[:eng:]] for articles and talk about articles... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]<br />
:::::Please be careful - there is no "APOV", there is perhaps a [[New Troll point of view]] you have not seen before, but no one has the right to decide that someone else "is not an anarchist" therefore something is "not APOV". - the trolls<br />
::The reason I was using this, was mostly just to understand what our general policy should be, cause I've heard mention of having coexisting "anarchopedia reds and anarchopedia golds" and things of the sort. I just wanted to understand what APOV means to us here. Will we be including "Anarcho"-Capitalists in what we consider to be APOV? Since we are at a small level right now, it makes sense to have coherent udnerstanding, rather than just leaving it to each article right now.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 23:31, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::The coherent understanding is formed in the factions "reds" and "golds" and whatever, that is not up to any central committee with a single "we" as you suggest. If you wish to take over one of those factions, do so, but you will not be able to take them ALL over - and that is for a reason. -- trolls<br />
:::Sorry for waiting for answer to your question. The question is complex and I'll try to say my point of view (which is relevant as your point of view is): --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*First of all this is (free) encyclopedia. We should make encyclopedic articles which describes some questions. "Anarcho"-capitalism is one of the encyclopedic articles. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*Anarchopedia is anarchist encyclopedia and encyclopedia for anarchists. I assume that capitalism can exists only inside of state. So, this is not encyclopedia for capitalists which claim that they are anarchists. In this sense, [[Anarchopedia:en:we|we]] are not "anarcho"-capitalists. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::It's good you discuss it that way, but, there are lots of people who want a very small state that is perhaps only the size of a single valley, and they are "anarchists" from the perspective of larger state societies. So I think you may be correct on some very large scale but "[[Anarchopedia:en:we|we]]" in other senses are exactly the same as those people: Commerce and trade will continue and there is always a way of mediating disputes about that, and that is ultimately "the state" whether it carries guns or not. -- trolls<br />
:::*If you want to write some article about national-socialism, you would: (1) explain positions of national-socialists and (2) you would make some anarchist critique of national-socialism. The same situation is for "anarcho"-capitalists: you woudl say what "anarcho"-capitalists claim and you would say why anarchists don't think that "anarcho"-capitalism is anarchism. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*We are anarchists and we don't like to use myths in our discourse. But, anarchists have their myths. We should explain our myths, too. We should give marxist, liberal or other kinds of critique of anarchism and anarchists. (I am proud because I think that all humans are good by nature. Someone thinks that I am stupid if I think something like that.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::::Give them recognition as factions, and the problem will ease, it will be more like a game.<br />
:::*NPOV from Wikipedia is not good solution. The best solution is to say what different sides think about some question. Of course, we can have sections "Anarchist point of view" in all articles. But we should not make cenzorship. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::*The idea about coexistention of "golds, reds, greens..." is Troll's idea. They want to make ''one big wiki''. This is OK while users don't start to make articles which says that rascism is good or that exploatation is good that state is good... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::::One could have articles like that but they would be CLEARLY MARKED ONLY FROM ONE FACTION'S VIEW and would largely serve to discredit that faction, as other extreme political views serve to discredit parties and factions in the real world. One must simulate the real world's conflicts. If a view is not widely held in the real world it will have no defending faction. But the view that "the state is good" is held by so many groups you cannot avoid dealing with it. [[We, trolls]], must deal daily with [[sysopism]] which tries to tell us how to express ourselves, or to go away, -- trolls<br />
:::*We should keep in mind that Anarchopedia should be ''test for anarchy'': To explain to us how can we work together even with people which are not explicit anarchists. Because anarchy is not the place where anarchists live, but the place where all humans live. And we should explain why anarchy is better then other social relations. And Anarchopedia is one of the places where we can try to explain this. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:::::Correct. And part of that test is to show how differences of view can be dealt with, without forcing everyone to conform to a single arbiter, the state or the sysop. -- trolls<br />
:::I hope I gave to you some explanation :) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 22:51, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
::::It explains a bit, but I think the factons should be something people start and maintain themselves, not something Anarchopedia officially sanctions or builds for people, before they have even signed up. None of the factions have a memebership, let people coalesce on their own and build these factions if they want, not categorize them before they even get here. And I don't think it should be on the main page either.--[[User:Che y Marijuana|Che y Marijuana]] 17:42, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
:::::No, experience shows that factions need some support or they take ungiven powers as at Wikipedia where sysop factions cooperate to censor, especially the Zionists and American Exceptionalists and Neoliberals, all of whom cooperate to attack articles questioning those views. Political systems didn't take account of parties when they were designe, and look what happened: parties control eveyrthing. The factions must be officially sanctioned only to the degree that they must have a reliable way to say "this faction approves of this version of this article" - and if they are not on the main page they wont be noticed. And if you don't put a scheme on them like colour, on the default obvious political views, you will have ridiculous names chosen for them and no way at all to create a colour referencing scheme to tell what articles are shaded what, what areas are most [[patroll]]ed by the trolls of specific factions. -- trolls<br />
:::::Nothing prevents people starting new factions with names they like better than colours. -- trolls<br />
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== Dictionary ==<br />
I don't know what to do with [[:en:dictionary|dictionary]]... Any suggestion? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 23:33, 12 Dec 2004 (CST)<br />
:Hi, Millosh, I visit you again! You speek here from me. I don't know the answer for following reason. Last year, you, or an other programmer, did change at different time the presentation of this site. After the "red phase" did beginn, I didn't find access any more to the necessery tools to contribute well on this site (no "navigation" tool, no communications and command lines on top of the site, etc. And I was sorry to must to abandon the beginned work! You will remember, that I did look for help to open an Spanish Main Page. And I did have after that to excuse me for the obtained translation into Spanish that I didn't can write completely on the site of anarchopedia. My friend excuse me; more! My friend did give to me a first class internet site for my activities to permit me to realize a part of my plans with a different way so that I am really very busy now with my own site! I can not continue both at the same time... But the implemented dictionary on anarchopedia is really unique in performance thank the technik of templates. It is really possible with him to build an universal dictionary for an open numero of languages. It would be good to find a successor for this domain. I will look for a such successor in the next time if you can and will wait a few month to decide if you will erase it or not. It works completely different of the dictionary in wikipedia: all languages are completely integrated and equivalent or able to be integrated and chained toghether (only English will be used as the Index; but it would be possible to redefine this point and to choice a neutral language as index without homophones like Esperanto or Ido)! But it would be better to work in the first time as coordinated staff. If 25 people would enter only 2 words each day (email-chain), all the same word for each of the 25 persons, we would have after only one year a dictionary with 730 words in 25 languages and it is really enough for a simple but effektiv discussion (to compare: full Basic English has only 850 words; restricted Basic English as by I. A. Richards has only 500 words)! In the first time, it would be better to work completely synchron through the different languages. After a start phase it would be indifferent! [[User:Oui|Oui]] 00:20, 9 Feb 2005 (CDT)<br />
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== Meta/Eng/Other languages ==<br />
I miss a control for moving easily from one page in the meta or eng to the corresponding page on the other side. Would it be impossible to add a widget (say, under the toolbox) "This page in:" (meta, eng, fra, spa, deu). For easy jumping and editing. ----[[User:atotland|Anni]] 10:54, 5 Jan 2005 (JAP)<br />
:You can add it. But not on Meta for now. We should move all pages from "en:something" to "eng:something" on Meta and then we can use [[:en:something]] as link to the English Anarchopedia. However, I can see if it is possible to make other magic abbervations (i.e. eng: instead of en: for shortcuts). --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 05:55, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
::I meant on a more global level, like on wikipedia, where under the toolbox there is another box that lets you jump directly to the corresponding site on the flip side. (I.E. it jumps from say, eng.anarchopedia.org to meta.anarchopedia.org, without changing anything else than the prefix.) I cannot add this, exept on a site per site basis, and I don't feel like doing that. --[[User:atotland|Anni]] 07:30, 5 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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== Administrative-Political Faction Unit ==<br />
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See [[Anarchopedia talk:en:Faction]]<br />
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== Vandalism ==<br />
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Since everyone is given admin powers, people are coming in and deleting pages, vandalizing pages and whatnot. I just restored a page I wrote that was deleted. Is there any way to deal with this? Wikipedia has a high bar to become an administrator, Anarchopedia has no bar.<br />
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I think the rule should be as long as you're not an out-and-out vandal, you can be an admin. Maybe people should have to wait a day to become an admin or something? Eventually, everyone has to come to terms with vandalism. Otherwise the community becomes authoritarian - the vandal winds up running the community. Anyhow, this is something to think about. My best idea would be there being a time limit to becoming an admin. A day, a week, whatever. And if someone is making good edits they can get it even quicker. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 19:47, 27 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
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:I disagree. Admin actions are easily undone AFAICT, so there's no reason to restrict them - the latest MediaWiki release could really help here as it makes them MUCH easier to track. IMHO these people should be treated like any other [[vandal]] - if they continue to protect or delete pages w/o giving a reason after being warned, they should be blocked entirely.<br />
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::I think we should wait until MediaWiki 1.5 is released to make any more changes to this. Currently I (or Millosh) have to hard-code every change to the admin powers system, but 1.5 will allow us to more easily edit the settings using the wiki interface. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 13:10, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
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* No user should be given the power to delete an article. This should be a developer only function.<br />
* Blocking is useless on an open system such as a wiki project. Blocking is the process that creates vandals. <br />
I can tell cause I came to wikipedia full of good intents and after being censored through deletion and blocked many times for authoritarian reasons, my good intents were gone. We should avoid here errors that have already been committed.<br />
Remember that the most secured door is the one you can keep fully open. We should go for prevention and information instead of repression.<br />
Anarchy success is based on responsability, and it relies on us to explain this to newcomers and offer them a chance ot understand what anarchy is not (degradations) and what anarchy truly is (freedom to think and act which is no reason to behave as a stoopid idiot).<br />
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==GFDL ?==<br />
It is obvious that GFDL is not appropriate to a wiki project. <br />
Should be replaced by GNU GPL or a Creative Common Licence.<br />
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Maybe a copyleft license. It's not as popular as the GNU GPL, but it might work just fine. Anything but GFDL.<br />
:is there some discussions somewhere about that differents licence ? some can be better than others ? what are the good and bad point on each licence (CC, GFDL, copyleft, etc, art..) ? maybe it would be good to talk about that... GFDL seems good, but maybe some others licence can be better too... [[User:Libre|Libre]] 19:23, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==more vandalism==<br />
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English Anarchopedia was vandalized once again. The vandal blocked me, so I can't fix anything he vandalized. Currently the entire front page is messed up.<br />
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Vandals have the ability to come in on day one and block everyone, and delete a bunch of pages. Right now the vandal has complete control of the web site. If you are waiting for the next version of the software to come out to make major changes, why don't you just remove admin powers for all new users, or for all users.<br />
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It's a waste of my time across many months spending hours working on articles here and then have a vandal come along and ruin everything within a few minutes, where I am blocked from editing and my pages are all deleted. <br />
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I complained about this before, and now once again I am blocked and many pages have been deleted. This could all be fixed if admin powers were not granted to new users. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 13:29, 2 Apr 2005 (CST)<br />
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:You can unblock yourself even you are blocked. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 02:40, 6 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
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You can email me if a user blocks everyone. I can clear all the blocks by a given user with one SQL query. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 07:45, 8 Apr 2005 (CDT)<br />
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==even more vandalism==<br />
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Someone just went on English Anarchopedia and deleted 25 images. Of course as soon as they show up they are given full admin privileges. Now that these images have been deleted, they can not be undeleted. As I said two months ago, by giving full admin powers to anyone who shows up on this wiki the instant they show up, you have handed this wiki over to vandals. I am getting tired with wasting time dealing with vandals due to the inane policy of handing full admin power to anyone who shows up. I said this two months ago, and I was told there would be changes soon, yet two months have gone by of vandals taking over and destroying the wiki, and things are as before. The solution is quite simple: limit the number of people who have admin powers, no other wikis let any user block and delete at will because they have enough problems with vandals. I was told two months ago to "wait for MediaWiki 1.5". Two months have gone by, MediaWiki 1.5 has yet to be released, and Anarchopedia has been and continues to be ruled by vandals. [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 11:28, 2 Jul 2005 (CDT)<br />
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:I added +a attribute on the file system. This means that no one can remove any image. (Until 1.5, you should say here if you want to remove some image.) Sorry for deleted images... --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 06:40, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::The policy is correct and must be maintained at all costs. It is as non-negotiable as [[anonymous edit]]s. Hopefully if it is easily undone then it is going to be a boring target. Tools to quickly undo common types of such [[sysop vandalism]] are what are required, not stupid "limits" on "the number of people who have admin powers". Anyone who says "The solution is quite simple" to a political problem is a fool. Reconsider, Lance Murdoch. -- trolls<br />
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:::I know that building anarchy is not so easy. I'll add some backups for images to prevent mass deletion, too. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:57, 6 Jul 2005 (CDT)<br />
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:: I tried re-uploading one of the pictures and got an error message. I'm just letting you know though, I'm not requesting you spend any more time on this prior to 1.5's release. Here is the error:<br />
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:: Could not copy file "/tmp/php5BxuQt" to "/srv/www/virtual/org.anarchopedia/langs/eng/images/temp/1/13/20050705222217!file.jpg [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 22:28, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::: I removed +a attribute until you upload all of your pictures. After that, tell me that you did re-upload of all of them so I can lock deletion again. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 13:54, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Backups of images are done and it would be working with mysqldumps (every day). So, if there are some kind of mass deletion, I would be possible to recover the situation from the last day. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 14:10, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we implement a trashcan for pictures? (The function "empty trash" is only available with developer-rights.) -- 16:33, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
[[:fra:User:Blackat|Blackat]] from French Anarchopedia asked me to open forum. I didn't open under anarchopedia.org, but I opened one multilingual forum (phpBB2) on http://forum.anarhija.org/ . If anynone thinks that it is useful, please use it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:22, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Backups==<br />
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It appears the backup system isn't working anymore (on eng: and other anarchopedias). The backup files appear to be truncated. See http://eng.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/ (or http://fra.anarchopedia.org/dev/db/ ... etc.) [[User:e★f|e★f]] 23:26, 23 Feb 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=="Upgrade"==<br />
Recently english Anarchopedia (at possibly this one) has been "upgraded" well, at first i only lost my login name, and had to re-register, then i realised that for some reason all the images that i've uploaded were deleted and upload blocked, now some articles that i am trying to write show up on Recent Edits, but actually don't write to the database propperly, and they don't actually exist. This is '''not''' an upgrade. P.S. Yes i'm very agrivated. Beta_M<br />
:What I know is that there have been problems with anarchopedia's databases for [[meta:]] and [[eng:]]. It looks like [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] is working on these.<br/>On IRC channel "#anarchopedia@irc.freenode.org" I have talked to Guanaco and he said he would enable uploads to [[meta:]] (which he did) and then the images would display on [[eng:]] and other anarchopedias (which doesn't seem to work yet).<br/>I have a local copies of all the images that recently disappeared (the archive is approximately 49 Mb). I could reupload all the images now, but it would be a little pointless since they wouldn't show up at [[eng:]]. I have uploaded the images for the runic alphabet, but now [[eng:rune]] page is inaccessible. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 11:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
::This problem has been fixed. Let me know if anything else comes up. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 19:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Good. I'll be uploading the images then, with caution since database failures keep happening (I have noticed that uploads are sometimes not being reported in the logs, or that article creation fails). To be safe we should be making off-site backups especially of [[meta:]], [[eng:]] and [[fra:]]. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 20:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I have noticed that there are still display problems on eng when the image on meta starts with a lower case letter, eg. [[eng:Image:The Freedom Engine]] is displayed, while [[eng:Image:circle with radius]] is not. Thumbnails on [[eng:]] now seem to work (and we probably have to thank Guanaco for that {{smiley}}). [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 12:20, 2 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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On [[meta:]] and [[eng:]], I have found that pages cannot be created when the "Watch this page" checkbox is activated. Also it is impossible to add pages to the watchlist. This is I think a severe bug, we may lose potential contributors due to it. ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 16:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Old articles with en: prefix==<br />
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A number of relatively old articles use the "en:" prefix (like [[:en:power structure]] or [[:En:opposition to authority]]). Unfortunately they are no more accessible since the prefix en: is now used to redirect to english anarchopedia. Is there a way we can recover these articles? ~''[[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]]'' 14:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS ita.anarchopedia ==<br />
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please visit http://meta.anarchopedia.org/Incontro_Anarchopedia_Italiana_Giugno_2007--[[User:K2|K2]] 09:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Sysopping from meta?==<br />
Is it possible to sysop someone on another project from meta (like they do on meta.wikimedia.org)? Someone just deleted every page on [[:nl:]]. [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 06:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Zazaban's capitalist POV==<br />
See [[:en:User talk:Zazaban#Pushing an anarcho-capitalist point of view and reverting User:KropotkinInBlack's edits]]. There is a problem here, because though I'm no advocate of neutral point of view, I do think we should allow and welcome everyone's point of view, like [http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballWiki MeatballWiki] so that people sign comments giving their point of view, and articles are discussions. This would also cut on the space usage and free some server space, because there would be no need for the user talk: and talk: namespaces, discussion for the article would go in mainspace (and create a discussion-style debate), and discussion to the user would go on the user's user: page.<br />
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Anyway, back to the point. I believe Zazaban is (instead of turning things into a debate and putting [[Wikipedia:Gender-neutral_pronoun|zir]] viewpoints and thoughts at the bottom) pushing zir POV into the article by changing it to reflect a capitalist rambling. What does anyone else think? Am I being too invasive? --[[User:Anonymity|'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans,'Bitstream Vera Sans';"><font color="#a00">A<font color="#a44">n<font color="#c22">o<font color="#b60">n<font color="#a77">y</font>m</font>i</font>t</font>y</font></span>''']] ''(aka Ionas_Freeman)'' 07:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This content excerpted from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikirules_proposal Wikirules proposal]. <br />
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''corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.'' &mdash;[[wikipedia:en:Tacitus|Tacitus]], [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Tac.+Ann.+3.27 ''Annals'' 3.27] <br />
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Over the past four years, Wikipedia has grown from a tiny village where everyone knew each other into an enormous enterprise with thousands of users, hundreds of sysops, and an unknowable number of passersby. As the project grew, so did the number of rules governing Users, so that now, there are an unknowable amount of rules, which are being gamed regularly by some users. This causes frustration and, in turn, new rules, new games, more frustration, more rules, etc. Rules have been created to suit specific circumstances, which may no longer exist, to respond to particular threats, which likewise do not exist anymore, or just for a smaller community. Rules are found in or derived from various Wikipages, in emails, statements by Jimbo or the Arbitration Committee, and various other sources. Rules are often cited and sometimes used as weapons, but sometimes with the preponderance of rules, it seems that we are forgetting the most important principles of Wikipedia: '''common sense''', '''trust''', and '''wikilove'''. <br />
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This proposal suggests that a committee be established to pare down the abundant rules to a reasonable size (1-2 pages) that every user and certainly every admin can be expected to know. These new rules, based on the principles of common sense and trust, would be easily accessible, and serve as a point of reference for all decisions and actions by community. Their purpose, first and foremost, would be to further the primary objective of this community--creating a world-class online encyclopedia. The rules would be stated in simple language and worded in such a way to allow the Arbitration and Mediation committees, as well as individual sysops, the discretion to enforce them reasonably. They would also contain an option for amendments, based on the specific needs of this evolving community. <br />
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The committee would consisted of trusted users and admins, as well as former and current members of the Arbitration and Mediation committees. Their discussions will be transparent, and open to critique by all members of the community, and the final result ''may'' be put up for a vote by the community at large. The committee would work in concert with the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Directors to ensure that the rules they create further the Foundation's goals.</div>
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