Anarchopedia:en:proposal for new project
the UnWikipedia
Someone has suggested a wiki or a wiki space *ONLY* for articles deleted from Wikipedia by sysop vandalism in particular, or censors in general who want certain topics not to be mentioned or certain bias embedded in every article, e.g. mechanistic bias or authoritarian bias which are the natural systemic biases of Wikipedia itself because of its authoritarian geeks in charge, most notably the American geeks in Florida who think nothing of rigging elections via Diebold.
- So, do you want something like "unwikipedia.anarchopedia.org"? --Milos Rancic 16:23, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- It might be more subversive to call it "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org" - this serves to 1. reinforce the generic use of "a wikipedia" meaning a multi-language whole-corpus GFDL corpus access provider and fight Wikimedia on its trademark usurper policy, 2. emphasize "a" as in "amoral", "aseptic", etc., meaning "not" or "anti" 3. lay the ground work to shorten both to "apedia" someday if this becomes the premier GFDLcap!
- I can make "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org", but it seems that domain "apedia.org" doesn't exist (what do you think about that domain?). Also, do you think that it is better to have awikipedia devided into languages (like en.awikipedia.anarchopedia.org, de.awikipedia.anarchopedia.org)? --Milos Rancic 19:57, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- It might be more subversive to call it "awikipedia.anarchopedia.org" - this serves to 1. reinforce the generic use of "a wikipedia" meaning a multi-language whole-corpus GFDL corpus access provider and fight Wikimedia on its trademark usurper policy, 2. emphasize "a" as in "amoral", "aseptic", etc., meaning "not" or "anti" 3. lay the ground work to shorten both to "apedia" someday if this becomes the premier GFDLcap!
- Yes divide it exactly as wikipedia.org does; it is also reasonable to call it de.npov.anarchopedia.org or something that just ignores the whole question of what portal it was written in and emphasizes its npov - which over time will be new troll point of view not neutral point of view
removing ideology
A preliminary step would be to anarchize the material in a systemic way to remove these biases and restore the natural human-body-centric view of real humans with real bodies, i.e. anarchize:body, cognition and senses material instead of following Wikipedia's ideal of pure ideology, symbol recognition and operant conditioning - the basis of its sysop vandalism...
- Hmm we might need to remove some trollist ideology later too, as this pendulum has swung a certain way out.
- Not far enough!
DemocraticDomain
Another suggestion is to figure out how all the domain names and web hosting and email services of a large public wiki and its wiki management can be handled democratically so it is possible to for all users to potentially campaign to be the "domain owner". If only a minimal institution where no one has special priveleges, that is designed to actively prevent a command hierarchy from existing, that could be close to a real anarchization. It would be a good prototype for the vanguard world trolling anarchization to do this to the entire web and disenfranchise anti-democratic "domain owners".
- I forgot to say something about that. Yes, it is a good idea. But, the only problem is "owner-system" of present world. How can we organize ownership of hosting server and domains? I would like to hear the idea; as well as I would like to implement it. --Milos Rancic 02:22, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)
- A domain holder isn't always the "owner" - in some domains you only are a domain lease holder and all domains in that TLD are owned. There is no reason to care what ICANN says. Just set up your own personal DNS and point all the .whatever to anything you want, or just ignore the . and populate the space with URLs like "en:troll_war" that are one to one correspondence with http://en.anarchopedia.org/wiki/troll_war
- So, the correct answer is that we never see "http://DOMAIN.TLD" but instead see "LANGUAGE://ARTICLE" and eventually just "LANGUAGE:ARTICLE" just as in an interwiki link standard - this makes wikis the whole web
Others
- I find that project's ideas interesting. I have put some quotes in french on Citations anarchistes. i am working on a Calendrier to make some ephemerides (daily bleed in english?). For propositions, maybe that would be better ? :
- and add ? :
- Libre 12:10, 14 Apr 2005 (CDT)
- i would be interesting that be initialized the 'book.anarchopedia.org' address... however, like the project can integrate all languages, would it be better to be by eg: 'eng.book.anarchopedia.org' , 'fra.book.anarchopedia.org' , etc... or to put all in the same address and use catégories to organize ? An other thing, if that address/sub-project has to exist, and by the fact of the project, like book are old work/writing, maybe it would be necessary that each book be protected, that all user not be admin (less just suscribes user, not anonyms), or everyone would be ok to make some data for reverts, etc ? how would you want organize that ? Libre 03:16, 8 May 2005 (CDT)
- Are you sure that existing wikis are not enough for books, too? We don't need to implement Wikimedia policy here: one site can be used for different purposes: encyclopedia, news, books, etc. However, there are no problems to open book.anarchopedia.org or {eng,fra,deu,...}.book.anarchopedia.org. I just want that we think about possible solutions: there are no a lot of people who use Anarchopedia. If we start to have a lot of different projects, I am not sure that we would go anywhere. For example, you are French speaking and I think that it would be better that you are working on fra: and to put books there. I am not sure that any of us can have enough of energy to work good on more then one project. ... I am not against new (sub)domains, I am just wandering do we have enough people for that; or it is better to start all of that at existing language based Anarchopedias and think about new (sub)domains in the future? --Milos Rancic 08:22, 8 May 2005 (CDT)
- Ok, no problem, It won't be necessary to put an other subdomain, the existent project will be where the books will be integrated. It will be sufficient for now. Libre 14:47, 8 May 2005 (CDT)
- Are you sure that existing wikis are not enough for books, too? We don't need to implement Wikimedia policy here: one site can be used for different purposes: encyclopedia, news, books, etc. However, there are no problems to open book.anarchopedia.org or {eng,fra,deu,...}.book.anarchopedia.org. I just want that we think about possible solutions: there are no a lot of people who use Anarchopedia. If we start to have a lot of different projects, I am not sure that we would go anywhere. For example, you are French speaking and I think that it would be better that you are working on fra: and to put books there. I am not sure that any of us can have enough of energy to work good on more then one project. ... I am not against new (sub)domains, I am just wandering do we have enough people for that; or it is better to start all of that at existing language based Anarchopedias and think about new (sub)domains in the future? --Milos Rancic 08:22, 8 May 2005 (CDT)
- i would be interesting that be initialized the 'book.anarchopedia.org' address... however, like the project can integrate all languages, would it be better to be by eg: 'eng.book.anarchopedia.org' , 'fra.book.anarchopedia.org' , etc... or to put all in the same address and use catégories to organize ? An other thing, if that address/sub-project has to exist, and by the fact of the project, like book are old work/writing, maybe it would be necessary that each book be protected, that all user not be admin (less just suscribes user, not anonyms), or everyone would be ok to make some data for reverts, etc ? how would you want organize that ? Libre 03:16, 8 May 2005 (CDT)
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Hi, i'm french, i want to create a forum phpbb for anarchopedia's users (a french or a english forum) Do yo agree ??? ThAnks
- Hello, i speak french too (*), i think you can create a phpbb forum, but i think that is not necessary, the discussions can be done on the anarchopedia mediawiki soft.
- fr: Salut, je parle français aussi (*), je pense que tu peux créer un forum phpbb, mais je pense que ce n'est pas nécessaire, du fait que les discussions peuvent se faire sur le mediawiki anarchopedia (c-a-d ici).Libre 04:11, 14 May 2005 (CDT)
- In general I agree with Libre. I can create phpbb forum if people need it. Some people like to communicate not via wiki, but via forum... I prefer communication via wiki as well as a lot of wiki users. So, the question is what do people think about it? --Milos Rancic 14:11, 16 May 2005 (CDT)
Hi, It's Blackat (the french), I can creat a forum with a template if we need it. I think people prefer phpbb boards, it's more easy. We will ba able to make debates, anarchy debates or many subjects. --Blackat.
- Hi, a forum is certainly good for smalltalk and can complete the discussion-pages of this wiki, but a forum without an active discussion must be dying very soon. This is the difficulty. If we install this forum then in all languages of anarchopedia and I think the forum should have the http-adress forum.anarchopedia.org.
- The adventage of a forum is that more User come in contact with anarchopedia and so anarchopedia could be participate from this.
- What's our task? In Europe for example is Anarchism a word with an insipid smack, You understand? Many people connect this word with chaos and destruction. It's time to show this people the truth.
- The first step was, that anarchopedia collect Anarchists from all over the world.
- The next step should be a brainstorming, how we could increase our power. The globalization dictates a reorientation of the anarchist movement. Our goals aren't reachable in a national frame. We must stand together worldwide and we we must think about our relations to other social movements. For this brainstorming can be a forum helpful.
- The third step (later) is to introduce the people with our ideas and with a vision of a new society. Then we have a little chance to change the world.
- --X 12:01, 3 Jun 2005 (CDT)
- For the first step, an email message (annoucing the project) in all languages on anarchists mailing list (ainfos ?, others... ? ), on anarchists websites known or unknown, and all others forum would be a first point to collect anarchists from all over the world. -> having to make/prepare a letter in all languages for all anarchists individuals or anarchists organizations, anarchists websites... maybe is it too early for anarchopedia ? Libre 06:37, 4 Jun 2005 (CDT)
- Hi, i think we can try ! Blackat
Hm. I was thinking a lot about forum. And I think it is too complicated for Anarchopedia (another power structure; another questions...). However, if you want to open some forum which is not related to Anarchopedia, I can do that on the server. (In this moment I can offer to you just subdomain of anarhija.org ("anarchy" in Serbian/Croatian). Or if you have some domain, I can host it. --Milos Rancic 02:17, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)
