Talk:how to organize Anarchopedia

(Moved from the article page): I'd suggest using Wikipedia as a model. Add a group of links on the main page that link to different forms of organization. Categories, subjects, alphabetical index, etc.
Link to New Main Page. --Paragon 11:04, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

Maybe I didn't choose the right name for the page, but I think we have to talk about something else. All of us (in this moment) have experience in work on Wikipedia. (I announced existance of Anarchopedia only on the Wikipedia mailing list and Wikipedia article "Anarchism". Also, I sent mail to editorial of An Anarchist FAQ. I didn't make any text about Anarchopedia to announce to Infoshop, Indymedia etd., so we need to write something...) However, I think that the question is not how we would make links to articles; we know how to do that and the question about design or what should be at the first page would come later. We need to find how to organize our work: how to escape from power structure in the time when we need more then maintaince... --Millosh 11:26, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

I rented server, bought domains and installed MediaWiki. I will work on English Anarchopedia until it has it's own "life". After that, I would contribute something small and I will work on Serbian Anarchopedia, because my native language is Serbian. If Anarchopedia stays on the server which I am renting, I can do some maintance which couldn't be done from the web interface... I don't want to give right to myself to decide what is right and what is wrong. This is the job of (future) community of Anarchopedia. And I think that this is the meta question of Anarchopedia. And I need that all of us solve that question. Honestly, I don't have clear idea how to do it. --Millosh 11:26, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you meant the organization of the main page. You're trying to avoid hierarchy. I think the problem will solve itself when the time comes. It's an evolutionary process, and while it may have it's problems, the main user base here will be anarchists, and it will likely work better than in other cases.--Paragon 12:50, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

Image deletion

I am mildly concerned that uploads could be easily and permanently deleted by anyone who wants to harm the project or just wants to be mean. This problem would best be fixed by keeping deleted files after they are deleted so they could be restored if necessary. This is an issue on all MediaWiki wikis, but it could be more of an issue here when vandals are granted sysop access. Guanaco 19:40, 5 Oct 2004 (CDT)

But all the uploades that were deleted can be easily undeleted by anybody. Personally i think there nothing wrong with deleting spam, if it is just spam. I would suggest some sort of Anarchopedia:suggestions (rather than Wikipedia:Policy) for the issues dealing with spamming and vandalism. Something along the lines of "always assume good faith" (Wikipedia says that also, but doesn't practice it), and always explain yourself (when deleting or undeleting). But i reiterate, these should be suggestions (or the way they are called in russian "soviet"s) not rules or even guidelines. Beta_M

Language stuff

I think the installation of a Mediawiki for every language is totally right, so every part works at there own and so we got e.g. news from Germany.

existential

hi i think there is no reason for an anarchopedia. i respect your work and i'm an anarchist myself, but i think it's more effective to put the articles into wikipedia because you're trying to build a network next to a network which already contains content of yours. it should be opener and not so isolatet like this. i saw some articles which are copies of wikipedia-articles. that doesn't make any sense. you're isolating content of anarchism, so you don't make it much easier to find s.th. about anarchism on the web. sure it's hard to give up "your project", but i think it shouldn't be anyones project. i wish to see a projectpage on anarchopedia.org that describes the idea of creating articles about anarchism and these stuff in the wikipedianetwork. you'll loose some control, but the project is yours. AND it would be soo much better and effective!!! please write what you think about this.

Organization of Wikipedia (please, read the document) has some disadvantages. Anarchopedia (please, read this article and it's subarticles, too) is not only a fork of Wikipedia, but also the test for work with anarchist principles. (I almost agree with you that Anarchopedia would not have a lot of sense if it is only a fork of Wikipedia. There is anarchist Infoshop Open Wiki, too; but with almost authoritarian organization.) --Milos Rancic 15:49, 4 Mar 2005 (CST)

OK, i can see the point. i've another question: what a server are you useing? how much webspace? and how much traffic needs a wiki?

I am renting server via layeredtech.com (some Athlon, 512MB RAM, 80GB hard disk; 1000 GB of bandwidth with 10Mbps link; around $60 per month). Server is used for several anarchist projects, too. In general, any anarchist group or individual can use resources, but I prefer to work with people from Balkans because we can talk face to face and because . (I announced server offer to IMC: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Devel/IMCServerOffers with nickname "anarhija.org".) Traffic or any other usage is not a lot (in this moment). And I don't expect that we would have significant usage of traffic, space of CPU in the near future. All of Anarchopedias and around 5 other web spaces with one radio streaming (in this moment experimental) with a lot of downloaded software and without celaning for a 7 months takas around 15GB and around 15-25Kbps. --Milos Rancic 12:29, 7 Mar 2005 (CST)

now i've read a lot about the powerstructure of wikipedia like this and i can see the problem. but what is different at anarchopedia.org? what prevents it of getting the same problems? and i've another question. is anarchopedia a encyclopedia about anarchism or an anarchistic (truly free) encyclopedia?

When i speak to some of my friends about anarchist movement, they normally ask me "So what did anarchists actually do?" Sure i can show them some newspapers about anarchism, maybe some wikipedia articles, maybe even mention some direct action and its results (they are very important, don't get me wrong). But these are all means of anarchists, what we need are some ends. Anarchopedia is something to point your finger at and say "We did this", this isn't only about anarchist revolution (although about it also), but it's an encyclopedia, which was written in the "state of anarchy"... q;-) Beta_M

encyclopedic French anarchist wiki -> http://encyclopedie.zaup.org/

Hello, happy to see that an english (and meta) project exist too :) just to inform you that an encyclopedic French anarchist wiki exists (since some months) here : encyclopedie anarchiste (en français) or (new presentation with FAQ, encyclo, quotes, ephemerides, maybe texts...). maybe i could make a link with your project and move the project i did (for french) to anarchopedia.org. Your base project is more elaborated. i will make watching on the french part. Libre 03:03, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)

You can add it somewhere or I'll add it sometime in the future... encyclopedie.zaup.org uses MediaWiki, too. It is very good. We can run some kind of synchronization :) Also, you are free to work on fr.anarchopedia.org; but I think that synchronization is better idea. What do you think about that? --Milos Rancic 16:12, 16 Mar 2005 (CST)

Ok to run synchronization :) (good idea). I don't know how doing that, maybe, mailing you, would be better for that you explain to me how doing that. Or maybe it exists a link explaining that ?. Libre 14:04, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)

I am thinking to start with work on synchronization between MediaWikis... :) It can be done via pywikipediabot (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywikipediabot). As I know there is no complete tool for that, but we can work on it. My email address is millosh@users.sourceforge.net --Milos Rancic 11:09, 21 Mar 2005 (CST)

I think it's better to put both together to fra.anarchopedia.org! Look at this and this. I think making one out of two is more effective and easier to handle in the future. I think it's the sense of anarchopedia that the information are here under the flag of meta.anarchopedia and so under the control of all. deu:Benutzer:SirC

In the future Anarchopedia can have similar problems as Wikipedia had in the near past: It would not have such number of users as Wikipedia has, but Anarchopedia has very small resources in the comparation with Wiki(m|p)edia. Good idea is to make some kind of synchronization between all (in this cas anarchist) MediaWikis. I would like to make synchronization with Infoshop Open Wiki, too; with any anarchist wiki. (I would like to see the same for Wikipedia and other people from the main stream, too.) I'll test this concept using Serbian Wikipedia because I have community support there: I'll make it under some other domain (not under Anarchopedia's domain, of course) and we will see is it possible and what do we need to do for syncrhonization over Internet. Also, the sense of GFDL corups is to share knowledge; so, anyone who wants to get all of Anarchopedia content - can do it; but anyone who wants to write texts to Anarchopedia, can do it, too. So, there is no problem with Anarchopedia (because all of work contributed to http://encyclopedie.zaup.org/wiki/ would be contributed to Anarchopedia, too). The problem may be with Zaup (maybe, they want, like Infoshop, to keep strong control to texts on their wiki). However, if we want to do that, we should organize ourselfs to work on it; i.e.: if anyone wants to help me with writing some code using pywikipediabot, (s)he is welcome. --Milos Rancic 13:38, 25 Mar 2005 (CST)

zaup.org (zone autonome permanente) is a free/autonomous server wich allow some differents project not specificly anarchists. encyclopedie.zaup.org is on GFDL too, and there's no problem to make a synchronization beetween fra.anarchopedia.org and encyclopedie.zaup.org :], force is in union. I will make you (millos) an email to discuss about that tests with pywikipediabot, synchronization, etc... Libre 14:18, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)

ita.anarchopedia.org

Hi comrades. I wish to start making the italian section of Anarchopedia. A request: I wish to have as Anarchopedia italian homepage, the page ita:Prima Pagina (that means "Main Page" in italian) and not ita:Wikipedia as is now. These are my intial proposals for the italian Anarchopedia. First: after I'll have ita:Prima Pagina up, I will translate the eng: Main Page texts in italian. Second: I will put on Anarchopedia the "An Anarchist Faq" partly translated italian texts. When I'll finish the upload of the "An Anarchist Faq" italian pages on Anarchopedia, it will be good to have a backup copy of the pages (My Sql dump?). After the Faq will be on, I wish to make a call for participation for a collective translation of the unstranslated sections of the Faq, using Anarchopedia wiki. For now is all. -- acrata

I see that you (or some else?) found how to change the names on ita:. I left to you a message on talk of the Prima Pagina. --Milos Rancic 05:57, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

That was me, I've started translating the interface; there's still much to do and I have avoided on purpose the non-trivial stuff referring to policies or Wikipedia. The interface has many anglicisms in the translation, probably inherited from it.wikipedia. rev 22 14:21, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

As I see, ita: doesn't have a lot of content. Maybe it is better idea to reinstall it with newer MediaWiki and better translation? --Milos Rancic 02:25, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

That would be ok to me, the newer versions have a more extensive translation.

Some of the software localization is probably only accessible to you or the other people who manage the software. Parts I would translate further are the Template: and the Anarchopedia: namespace (respectively to Modello:, analogue to Modèle: in the French localization, and Anarcopedia:, with the italian anarco- prefix, used also in spa.anarchopedia). These are accessible via the the wgNamespaceNamesIt array in languages/LanguageIt.php.

My opinion is that using technical anglicisms where it is not really necessary enforces a sort of elitistic view that ordinary users should not use or understand certain functions of the software. These details are minor compared to the important stuff (policy and guidelines), but i'd like to hear other people's opinions. rev 22 13:51, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I wish to upload on Anarchopedia the "An Anarchist Faq" texts that I translated in italian. Before to do it, I wish to know if you wish to reinstall ita.anarchopedia, so to not make a double work!

Sorry for waiting. I backed-up ita: and I will reinstall ita: now. --Milos Rancic 04:53, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Finally, I realized that new version of MediaWiki doesn't have better translation. So, use the old one for now (because it is translated). When I would do update, it would not be with deleting of old content. --Milos Rancic 05:12, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

power on spa

a user (u:Supremo Consejo Imperial) has taken the power on spa (changing mediawiki:default and protecting it, allowing just her edits), is it possible some good admin (guanaco seem to be the admin) revert all their edits ? thanks... and stop all edit on spa, cause thére's no editors on that wiki, just spammer vandals... aspam 09:39, 4 Mar 2006 (UTC)