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<Cloffy> simply pointing to knowledge the person already has? <mick> yeah <Cloffy> that's not teaching, that's educating ;) <mick> but u never transfer straightly <Cloffy> you should just ask <mick> sometimes u must not even try <Cloffy> and help with answers if asked <mick> then someone can make a truth like religion <mick> and fall in falses again <Cloffy> well, that's if you separate the answer from the question <Cloffy> 5 is ok, 2+2 is ok, but 2+2=5 is not ok <Cloffy> and the establishment just says "5!" <Cloffy> and people say "2+2" and think it fits <Cloffy> because they never put it together <mick> yeap <mick> somehow like this <Cloffy> but using the socratic approach, anamnesia (sp?), you pose the question and the person has to answer, bearing the question in mind <Cloffy> thus putting it together <Cloffy> and that is actually somewhat how I usually operate - I tend to provoke people so that they will have to answer with what they think is right - and therefore they have to think over their own views <Cloffy> thus I don't care all that much about facts when I talk to people - which may be unhealthy - but instead I provoke on general exagerrations or examples that makes the person direct their thoughts into a more healthy direction <Cloffy> like saying: we didn't have this many surveilance cameras 5 years ago. Would you like them to have one in your bedroom? <Cloffy> it's an exageration, but they have to think - what the tendency is <Cloffy> where it's going <Cloffy> although most of the time people just answer: "oh, stop being stupid, they are never gonna do that!" <Cloffy> oh, yes they are :-/ if they are allowed to <Cloffy> I had an argument last night with a guy here <Cloffy> who said you should always check all the facts <Cloffy> but I think there is no time for that <Cloffy> well, I'm grateful to people like Noam Chomsky who actually spend a lot of time doing just that <Cloffy> but I just go by the feeling, seeing where things are tending to go <Cloffy> that is a lot rougher approach, but right now we're dealing with a rough situation <Cloffy> yeah, the guy actually got me depressed yesterday :-/ <Cloffy> he was being so negative, so arrogant about his Logics <Cloffy> that is what facts do to people <Cloffy> they dry them out <Cloffy> there is no room for dreams, for ideals anymore <Cloffy> sinking into precise facts and becoming a freak about it just separates you into something that doesn't matter that much and you lose your goals, your direction just for the sake of "precision" <Cloffy> although I would encourage anyone to "do their homework" <Cloffy> it's just that I got really upset about this last night :p <Cloffy> made me depressed for the whole night/day <Cloffy> because there is no juice, no life in the facts <Cloffy> they are just a dry skin to be filled with the spirit of hope and interpretation <Cloffy> and besides the intuition that develops through sincere faith and hope combined with good reason is amazing <Cloffy> I go without facts a lot of time but I know what exactly is going to happen <Cloffy> you can *see* things, you don't need to *measure* them <Cloffy> no time running around with rulers and notebooks <Cloffy> if it's plain to see anyway <Cloffy> When I try and fight the neverending army of facts I fall into desperation and helplesness, but when I go with faith/love/hope combined with the shield of understanding, I am unstoppable <Cloffy> I bet Jesus didn't go to the public debates to study the political facts <Cloffy> :p <Cloffy> and I consider Jesus the ultimate anarchist :) <Cloffy> and the Church - the ultimate (A) sign salesman :D <Cloffy> instead of crosses Christ followers should be carrying shrapnels from anarchist struggles and bullets from police guns <Cloffy> never to give up your ideals - even at the price of your bodily death <Cloffy> and no facts are gonna give you that conviction, that faith, that Love <Cloffy> and what people need is not *facts*, people need faith <Cloffy> the belief in the Good <Cloffy> Love <Cloffy> faith in one another <Cloffy> a hope for a better future <Cloffy> an example of inner strength <Cloffy> they don't need money <Cloffy> they don't need thick books with political analysis <Cloffy> they need faith <Cloffy> Only Truth will set you Free <Cloffy> and Truth has nothing to do with external "facts" <Cloffy> the Truth is having faith in oneself <Cloffy> in freedom <Cloffy> in love <Cloffy> in the good <Cloffy> the Truth is knowing what is Good and what is Evil <Cloffy> not knowing how much money this or that costs <Cloffy> or what year it was when Gandhi or Hitler signed a bill <Cloffy> The true Revolution, the true struggle is within <Cloffy> to find out - what is Good <Cloffy> and to stand upon it <Cloffy> whatever the price <Cloffy> that is faith <Cloffy> that is the Truth <Cloffy> that is Freedom <Cloffy> and people need to know that <Cloffy> They do. But they have forgotten. <Cloffy> underneath the state propaganda, behind the consumer golden cutains - it's there <Cloffy> waiting for it's turn to shine <Cloffy> and we need to open up the curtains <Cloffy> to help it shine through <Cloffy> for people to recognize it within themselves <Cloffy> the Love <Cloffy> the Truth <Cloffy> the Freedom <Cloffy> and that is pretty much what I try to do <Cloffy> for my own sanity and the sanity of my human family <Cloffy> we're all in it together <Cloffy> ok, I'll go brush my teeth now :) <Cloffy> I bet this all never reached the channel :-/

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