Anarchopedia talk:English

I made some revisions

The original article said that if people don't speak English, that they should go to Anarchopedia:Syndicate and pick their language. But if they didn't speak English, THEY COULDN'T READ THAT MESSAGE. It also says to comply with the GFDL for other sites, but other sites don't necessarily support the GFDL. If a copyright holder doesn't want their content shared on other sources, it's illegal to plagiarize. So, I clarified both, as well as making... some other good edits. Vandal 13:03, 21 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I think the ideal solution would be to write a multilingual Main Page with links to the different language-based "Syndicates". Anonymous 16:34, 21 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Of course, just leaving it up there as it is is rather humorously ironic. And by the way, please don't revert my article. I put a lot of work into it. If you want to improve it, I would appreciate it if you would just edit it instead of outright reverting it. Vandal 19:47, 21 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't know enough languages to make a multilingual page myself. I have made another revision of the main page, removing some of the sarcasm, adding links to the individual "syndicate" pages, and hopefully clearing up the inconsistency about the "GFDL corpus" you spotted. I have also removed the article counter as I think it is a bit silly. Anonymous 02:40, 22 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Messed up

the editing buttons are all messed up! I thought this was just a joke site! Sorry for vandalising!

I need to hit refresh before any of the buttons or left sidebar shows up

OK :) But, I don't understand what is the problem with buttons...--Milos Rancic 23:15, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Site owner?

who is the site owner here? Tsunamic 14:02, 30 Sep 2004 (CDT)

The site owner seems to be User:Millosh, who is also our Lowest Troll.

Theme

I think we should make the theme black. For one, it would distinguish it from other wiki based sites. For another, black is a common theme among anarchists (black flag, etc.). And finally, it's easier on the eyes. --Paragon 11:28, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

I was think almost the same: Black part (upper or left) is anarchist part (anarchopedia); blue or yellow or some other colour (down or right) for other fields (encyclopedia). What do you think? However, I am not designer and it is not OK, I don't have anything against. Also, do anyone knows/can/wants to make Anarchopedia theme for MediaWiki? I can upload it... --Millosh 11:40, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

I don't know anything about making a MediaWiki theme, sorry. I was thinking of using a black background with light grey and/or white text though. Links could be light blue and red or something like that. Personally I don't like yellow. --Paragon 12:29, 2 Oct 2004 (CDT)

Not to denegrate the work that's been done here so far, but the anarchapedia's main page design is quite nice...38.116.136.215 01:09, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)

Thank you :) --Millosh 11:57, 7 Oct 2004 (CDT)

Keep agoin' 'ere Buddy, but toning down the text into a lighter shade of grey would help my endurance here also; added a little hint about en:Ulrich von Beckerath who's work can also be found in ge: --poetpiet 13 Oct

I work on user interfaces in my day job, and although I can sympathize with the apparent intent of this visual appearance, if you will take these comments as a constructive criticism - this appearance is a big mistake!

Although it might be an effective gimmick to use a reversed text appearance for the front page, to use this appearance theme globally will make it too difficult to use the site for hours at a time. (I've only read a few pages, and I already have a headache from the harsh appearance of the text - especially on the talk pages.) There is a reason why reversed text is used sparingly - it is simply too tiring to the human eye to look at reversed text for long periods of time.

If you ever want this site to grow beyond an opening statement, into a site with real "legs", you'll inevitably need to use a more sane text color scheme for the bulk of your pages, as serious readers will simply not put up with this look.

Computer screens used to have this appearance a few decades ago, but once it became feasible to show high contrast, black on white text, user interface designers, and later almost all users, quickly abandoned the bizarre-looking reverse text appearance en masse, and this apperance has now faded into obscurity. These days you only see this scheme in odd places - point of sale terminals used in discount stores, or in military installations that are stuck on the macho green on black thing. :)

Please, more serious discussion and articles, and fewer gimmicks with the appearance. You've got a great start here on an alternative to Wikipedia, so please don't turn away your potential audience because of a gimmicky design that makes it tiring to read your text! --69.110.24.8 13:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's not gimmicky, it's functional. High contrast only makes it worse. Having a white background makes the screen garish, and harsh on the eyes. Using a dark background makes for easy reading. ParagonX 13:37, 2 Apr 2005 (CST)

German Anarchopedia

I started working on the german anarchopedia site ;-) Well I work on deu.anarchopedia.org now, but I see that on anarchopedia.org(the english wiki) are already some german artikel, without any content so I stay on the German wiki, I would like to know were I shall work now. So at first I stay at deu.anarchopedia.org wiki ;-) --henning

Yes, deu.anarchopedia.org is the right place for Anarchopedia in German. Anarchopedia:Deutsch is the old page. When you copy (if you need) contents from the old page, it should be removed. --Milos Rancic 12:37, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)

Also, if you want developer status (and it would be nice to have at least one person with dev status), please ask User:Guanaco for that. (He knows MediaWiki a lot better then me :) ) --Milos Rancic 12:40, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)

I copied all Content(well there wasn't that much :P) you can delete that page now, Atm. iam working at a new design (you can see it on the main page). And tomorrow I get a user account here and conntact the guy for developer status(well I dont know what that is but..). Also I would like to give spread the starting of Anarchopedia Germany(indymedia germany etc.) is that okay? --henning

Please, look at here and vote :) We have problem about CPU usage if we are using Rewrite Engine in Apache. It is good idea to call other people to work, but if we would turn off Rewrite Engine, external links to articles will not work. --Milos Rancic 16:24, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)

Someone started German pages, but he is not active enymore. Also, contents of templates are at some other place (links to templates are broken). Also, I think that deu has more now then German page ever had :) --Milos Rancic 16:24, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)

Developer can something (I forgot what, but Guanaco knows :) ) what sysops can't. I think that it is something about MediaWiki maintaince. In general, everyone who is not crazy, who knows something about MediaWiki and who is "libertarian socialist" should have dev status... --Milos Rancic 16:24, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)

Developers can lock/unlock the database, hand out bot and developer flags, delete images on www, and directly query the databases on the language Anarchopedias. Guanaco 19:00, 5 Dec 2004 (CST)

Vandalism

I've reverted vandalism twice from "128.252.102.138" in two days. It's very disturbing vandalism. Do we believe in collective punishment here? I.e. does the collective have the right to expel persistantly violent individuals?--Che y Marijuana 17:13, 16 Dec 2004 (CST)

The vandalism was on the main page here, by the way.--Che y Marijuana 19:17, 16 Dec 2004 (CST)

Address can be blocked if that person(s) make(s) vandalism again (you can do that, too). But, I didn't see any serious attack... (Even on eng: yesterday or on www one month ago.) If we have some serious attacks in the future, we can use our bots. There are a lot of such things on Wikipedia, which is not so open as Anarchopedia is. The problem here is delete permission to anyone. But, I think we should try this way some time. If vandalisms are more often then now, we should think again about delete permission. --Milos Rancic 20:00, 16 Dec 2004 (CST)

I was asking for in future, just in case this guy keeps repeating it. Cause it was quite disturbing, I don't know if you read it, but it was quite a sexist piece of work. Considering this was the second time in two days on the main page, I thought it made sense to figure out what the policy is here in case it happens again. I have warned him, so we'll see. --Che y Marijuana 03:09, 17 Dec 2004 (CST)

I can't figure out how to find out vandal's ip's to ban/block them. The vandalism is at the level of complete chaos, and I don't mean anarchy or freedom. Message me if you can tell me anything about this.--FETuriousness 03:05, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Unintentionally blanked Main Page. Sorry. Can someone please fix it?--FETuriousness 03:33, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

OK...Got it. Maybe this isn't such chaos after all.--FETuriousness 04:33, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

New rewrite rules

With old rewrite rules it was not possible to upload files. With new it is possible. You will see links like ".../index.php/some_page", but it is possible to type "http://deu.anarchopedia.org/some page" and your url will be rewritten to "http;//deu.anarchopedia.org/index.php/some_page". When we would have some faster machines or some better MediaWiki code, we would have "nice urls", too. --Milos Rancic 23:35, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)

Also, you can change your skin to ApMonoBook or to any other now. --Milos Rancic 23:35, 18 Dec 2004 (CST)

Logo

I designed a t-shirt (with a definition of 'anarchism') a while back and I was pretty stoked with the outcome. It uses a star like the current Anarchopedia logo but is a little more sophisticated. I'm happy to upload it if people like it and want to use it as the Anarchopedia logo. It's got an 'A' in it too, which I imagine could be played on no end. It could be any colour (the example below is a dark red) and I could cut it down to the just the symbol for the main logo and add "Anarchopedia" instead of "Anarchism" for a larger version. See example here --Christiaan 00:24, 13 Jan 2005 (CDT)

You are welcome :) I would like (your) black star (not dark red), but we can make some voting about that. What do you think? --Milos Rancic 13:47, 13 Jan 2005 (CST)

One more thing: Ask people from deu: if they want your logo, too. --Milos Rancic 13:55, 13 Jan 2005 (CST)

can you tell something more about the t-shirt action - how had people reacted, where do you live (which country / environment etc.)? it sounds like really a good idea...

No action, just a graphic I designed for a t-shirt. I'm from New Zealand. --Christiaan 18:32, 13 Jan 2005 (CST)

Our German friends don't have much to say. How about I crop the image as mentioned and we have some kind of vote? First question though, what sort of copyright or lack thereof do you think we should use? Should we use GNU Free as for the rest of the site, or should a logo be treated differently (as Wikipedia does)? —Christiaan - ☎ 23:50, 18 Jan 2005

Yes, they are very quiet :) But, I said to you that you should ask them just for deu:, not for Meta. Contributors to Meta should decide what should be Meta logo. We can vote here. I'll announce it on the main page. --Milos Rancic 23:31, 20 Jan 2005 (CST)

I did, see deu:Diskussion:Hauptseite#Logo. —Christiaan - ☎ 10:21, 23 Jan 2005 (CST)

Awful colour

the color scheme on current events page is really bad for people to read you might want to change it

Just meta has that color scheme as default (eng:, deu: and others have classic scheme as default). When you log in, you can switch to classic Monobook scheme. --Milos Rancic

I know. It looks like hell. I'm trying to completely redo this page, but it and the code are almost as nonsensical as justifications for the state.--FETuriousness 01:08, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Spammers

Is anyone against implementation of SpamBlacklist extension with initial Wikimedia-CreativeCommons list? --Milos Rancic 08:02, 26 May 2005 (CDT)

If no one has anything against in the next seven days, I'll implement it on Meta. (I am asking all communities for that: i.e. people from Meta, deu:, eng: and fra:. I'll implement it on hrv:] because I don't think that my friend Marko has anything against it.) --Milos Rancic

Whats going on here

I like the idea of this site. I dont know if you have givin up or what but if I could help in anyway. Rev. Terry

Hm. We are working, but not a lot :) Use eng: for an encyclopedia. If you have any general comment, idea, etc., write it here. --Milos Rancic 02:13, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT)

Criticism

This was posted right in the main page. I move it here before reverting the page to avoid being accused of censorship. rev 22 22:42, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)

If this is anarchy, why do I have to log in? - You can't fuck with an experiment like that!

Cause you spam/vandal too much ; if you didn't spam/vandal here, you wouldn't have to log in. How do you protect against spam/vandals attacks ? you just block spam/vandals and you make a log in pass as a wall to their easy spam/vandalism. We are not living on anarchy we want to live in, as said Malatesta : "Not whether we accomplish anarchism today, tomorrow, or within ten centuries, but that we walk towards anarchism today, tomorrow, and always.". If you don't want walk on anarchism today, tomorrow and always, you have done a choice, don't reject your own responsability on others. Libre 13:00, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Hell's no! Just block their IP, or their entire IP range!--FETuriousness 03:17, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

To mandate someone to block IP's and to disconnect some spamusers account (3/4 from users listed) from the project ? i am not against an account for anti-vandal/anti-spam use. aspam 11:12, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Thumbnails

I'm working on articles in the French section of anarchopedia... and I was wondering if it would be possible for the admin to upgrade the version of MediaWiki of anarchopedia so that we can use the thumbnail functions for the images, as we do in wikipedia. You know, using that kind of syntax : " Image:xxx.jpg|right|thumbnail|caption text "...

Thanks ! Anne Archet 23:31, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Yes it would be good to have the thumb function... Libre 13:01, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)

A suggestion

I think the Main Page should make it clearer that this is Meta Anarchopedia, not English Anarchopedia, otherwise things like this may happen.

Perhaps we can put a message like at the top of the page:

This is Meta Anarchopedia, the place for discussion and coordination of Anarchopedia

eng.anarchopedia already has a similar message, too.

Rev 22 21:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)